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Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" * 1
    #25549976 - 10/19/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hi Friends,

We have been researching "Wood Lover Paralysis" for the past several years.  In doing so, we have found LOTS of great information scattered across several different threads on this site.

I wanted to share a few links, where content related to Wood Lover Paralysis is organized for easier digestion. 
Also, for anyone who has experienced this phenomenon, we have created a simple anonymous  survey where you can share your experience to help us work towards a solution: https://survey.woodloverparalysis.com

Here are other links to places where we have summarized our research:
https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-unsolved-mystery
https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-black-rot/
https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-chemists-hypothesis-aeruginascin/

Note: On the topic of the "black rot" hypothesis (link #2), we have since discussed it with a world renowned mycologist with expertise in psilocybin containing mushrooms (but who prefers to be left unnamed); he has now analyzed the black rot that forms of Psilocybe cyanescens and does NOT believe that it is causing the paralysis phenomenon.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PsilocybinScience]
    #25549999 - 10/19/18 11:22 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
    #25550025 - 10/19/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Straight Mush]
    #25550070 - 10/19/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PsilocybinScience] * 1
    #25550297 - 10/19/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The one time I experienced it, with Ps. cyanescens, were pristine specimens - but collected from a public park where herbicides could have been used, growing on wood chips, which could themselves have been treated.

The proper approach would be to take fruits that have caused the effect and grow them out to fresh cultures under normal conditions, as the effect could be due to rare alkaloids produced in some fruits.

I may have a viable spore print taken from those cyans and if so could grow them and test for the paralysis.  :shrug:


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #25550450 - 10/19/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

spores wont produce identical specimens tho, still might be worth attempting. I dont think the paralysis is a common occurrence tho.. and id guess most people who hunter have a collection from multiple places so it would be harder to pin-point the exact ones causing it

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PsilocybinScience]
    #25550612 - 10/19/18 03:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Great information. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do proper research.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
    #25550640 - 10/19/18 03:29 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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spores wont produce identical specimens tho, still might be worth attempting. I dont think the paralysis is a common occurrence tho.. and id guess most people who hunter have a collection from multiple places so it would be harder to pin-point the exact ones causing it




Yes of course, and I expect the chances of it being genetic to the mushrooms is very small - so I'd been planning to resurrect them anyway.  I got fruits growing myc on agar back when I picked them - which would carry it - but I tossed all that when I got the paralysis from tripping.  And it was years ago anyway.  This was a small isolated crop, the only one I found in that area.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #25551287 - 10/19/18 09:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The paralysis seems to be worse if you eat shrooms too many  days back to back. I had
a seriously crazy expirence with it last here.
The fllowing is 100% true!
Halloween 2017 I ate well over 100 caps of cyanescens mixed with azurescens some dried, some fresh, and some in a jar of honey. Hours later trying to grab a blanket from my truck my neck muscles stopped working and I was holding my own head up by my hair crawling over my front seat from the back. Then I completely lost all muscle control and went out my door face first into mud and rain while hanging upside-down by my ankle which was stuck in my seatbelt. I stayed that way for a while unable to move untill two of my friends found me. They freed my ankle causing the rest of my body to plop onto the mud. I couldn't even move my vocal cords or mouth to tell them what was happening. I was just using all my focus to breath. After a bit I could make grunting noises but still no control of my tounge or mouth to form words. took probably 5 hours to regain enough movement to stand. It was horrible when I was in the mud my body went numb. I could feel the cold wetness one moment and nothing the next. I used everything I could to keep some kind of connection from my brain to my body. I would randomly collapse while walking for about 2 days after and had very limited use of my hands I couldn't unlock my door or start my truck my hands would lock up. It was like if i thought about it too much it would come back, for a long time after halloween. Now anytime I eat wood lovers my hands don't work right the next day. If I eat more with waiting enough days my legs get bad and also my face muscles. It's extremely uncomfortable.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
    #25551294 - 10/19/18 09:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Also I forgot to mention that for me azurescens cause it way sooner and more intensly than cyans do. Also fresh ones worse than dried. But both have the same affects if I eat too many. Every fall I have lots of problems with the paralysis.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
    #25551298 - 10/19/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I've been paralyzed on the floor making weird snoring noises many times but the story above was the worse.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
    #25551398 - 10/19/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

id like to know if it can happen on cubes, ive never had "paralysis" but one time on cubes i was just walking along and next thing i knew i was on the ground, i got back up no problem but it was really strange. it was cubes i grew myself and only a 1.7 dose. but ive never tripped so hard in my life and ever since then ive been really sketched and cautious with shrooms. i never had this problem with cyanescens.

i mean these cubes were DANK lol never tripped like that before off of that amount and i eat cyanescens more often then cubes.
the worst part about the whole trip was i was tripping with 2 of my friends and we all took the same amount BUT it hit me well before them, and i was getting insane visuals and they didnt get any at all. i started freaking out in my head because i didnt get why i was tripping balls and they wernt even feeling it... eventually it hit them but it wasnt like mine lol the ground everywhere i looked was rippling like the top of a body of water on a windy day, like the movement of "white caps" but on the ground.

id be really curious if anyone is getting these instances happening from maybe really high dose of non-woodlovers. cuz like i said ive eaten cyanescens plenty and never have i tripped as i did off the cubes that one time. and the one time it hit me hard is when i had the really strange fall.

so far it appears

-doesnt happen to everyone
-only reported cases from wood loving species???
-all evidence is anecdotal

does it happen with all wood loving species?

and as far as the pesticide theory, are there cases of this happening in other instances where pesticides are used? from fruits or veggies or anything like that? non-active wood loving edibles??

this topic is prolly the most interesting thing to me, i really hope we can get more information.. i mean by now we really should have some sort of an idea whats going on. i mean how rare of an instance is this

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
    #25551414 - 10/19/18 11:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer :nonono:

Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up :sad:

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25551514 - 10/20/18 01:09 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!

*shudder*

Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!



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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25551522 - 10/20/18 01:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer :nonono:

Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up :sad:




I'm not sure pine woodchips are good anyway man. It's softwood which holds a lot of resin which wouldn't be good for mycelium (or so I think I've read but I've just woken up and I currently don't feel confident that I'm not talking out of my arse)


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551532 - 10/20/18 01:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!

*shudder*

Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!





There was another thread in the last week about someone talking about paralysis from woodlovers and I put in my two cents about it.
In going on almost two decades of picking and eating woodlovers of all different sorts, Azurecens, Cyanescens etc and I or anyone I have ever known personally who I have gifted, given or helped people pick and eat them have ever gotten paralysis from woodlovers let alone any mushroom.

So this definitely does not affect everyone and seems to be some what of a rare phenomenon.
Not to say it doesn't happen because it apparently does to some unlucky individuals but I have done extremely high doses to average, mild and low doses and have never had anything noticeable or even close to any type of paralysis.
And I have eaten some pretty far gone almost to the point of rotting, nasty lookin specimen that I probably shouldn't have consumed but did and never had any negative effects.

Im not sure exactly what it could be? Anyones guess is as good as mine and could be a number of things?
But in my experience and many others I know and have known have never reported any type of paralysis.
So it definitely only seems to affect certain individuals and the only time I have ever read or heard anything about this phenomenon is on the shroomery here and nowhere else.
People outside of the shroomery who I know who have been picking and eating them for years and years have never heard of this phenomenon at all when I have questioned them about it and were very confused and thought I was bullshiting them.

It could happen to you but it seems to be pretty rare and certainly doesn't affect everyone and I am one who can attest to that after picking and eating them for almost two decades so dont scare you're self because these mushrooms are absolutely amazing and to special to pass up because of something that rarely happens and doesn't seem to affect everyone.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25551538 - 10/20/18 01:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!

*shudder*

Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!





There was another thread in the last week about someone talking about paralysis from woodlovers and I put in my two cents about it.
In going on almost two decades of picking and eating woodlovers of all different sorts, Azurecens, Cyanescens etc and I or anyone I have ever known personally who I have gifted, given or helped people pick and eat them have ever gotten paralysis from woodlovers let alone any mushroom.

So this definitely does not affect everyone and seems to be some what of a rare phenomenon.
Not to say it doesn't happen because it apparently does to some unlucky individuals but I have done extremely high doses to average, mild and low doses and have never had anything noticeable or even close to any type of paralysis.
And I have eaten some pretty far gone almost to the point of rotting, nasty lookin specimen that I probably shouldn't have consumed but did and never had any negative effects.

Im not sure exactly what it could be? Anyones guess is as good as mine and could be a number of things?
But in my experience and many others I know and have known have never reported any type of paralysis.
So it definitely only seems to affect certain individuals and the only time I have ever read or heard anything about this phenomenon is on the shroomery here and nowhere else.
People outside of the shroomery who I know who have been picking and eating them for years and years have never heard of this phenomenon at all when I have questioned them about it and were very confused and thought I was bullshiting them.

It could happen to you but it seems to be pretty rare and certainly doesn't affect everyone and I am one who can attest to that after picking and eating them for almost two decades so dont scare you're self because these mushrooms are absolutely amazing and to special to pass up because of something that rarely happens and doesn't seem to affect everyone.




Phew thanks man you've totally reassured me here! I just hope it won't infect my brain with the fear of it happening and ruin a good trip.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551567 - 10/20/18 02:27 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer :nonono:

Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up :sad:




I'm not sure pine woodchips are good anyway man. It's softwood which holds a lot of resin which wouldn't be good for mycelium (or so I think I've read but I've just woken up and I currently don't feel confident that I'm not talking out of my arse)




Seems fine to me. Ive seen it grow wild on pine wood chips.

Or maybe the resin in the pine chips causes the paralysis/toxicity in cyans?

Hmmmm :strokebeard:

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
    #25551576 - 10/20/18 02:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Dont dwell on it bro, I am one who definitely believes the more you think about certain things before a trip on any psychedelic it will direct or push it towards that thing actually happening.
At least unwanted effects anyway.

But yeah it definitely does not happen to everyone and if it did you would hear about it more and that is exactly why you have probably never heard of it before because its a pretty rare occurrence.
Like I said I have known many many people who have eaten woodlovers, well over two dozen people in my personal life and none of them have ever experienced such a thing let alone had even heard about it.

So yeah man dont psych your self out about this because chances are it will not happen to you. My only advice it dont sit there and think about it day and night or you are going to have lots of paranoia once you finally eat them during the trip. Its been almost 20 years for me and I have eaten multiple different types of woodlovers and all kinds of different doses including extremely high ones which it seems to happen more often from what I have read from people who take large doses but even for me at monster doses it has not happened.
So dont dwell and trip your self out, you will be fine and the chances of it happening to you are very slim

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25551584 - 10/20/18 02:44 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man I appreciate the reassurance! I think you've managed to remove the fear so thanks. I've been staring over at my boxes of Cyans as though they're my enemy hahaha. I think I'll return to looking at them like my babies :grin:


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551589 - 10/20/18 02:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

They are such beautiful mushrooms! And give an even more beautiful experience! Definitely not your enemy bro.
If anything they are a teacher of great wisdom in this crazy thing we call life.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25551619 - 10/20/18 03:27 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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They are such beautiful mushrooms! And give an even more beautiful experience! Definitely not your enemy bro.
If anything they are a teacher of great wisdom in this crazy thing we call life.




Does the strength make the experience qualitatively different from a cubensis experience? I mean I know it's the exact same psychoactive chemicals but the strength would make for faster absorption and I'm just wondering how they might differ slightly from cubes?

I usually trip on 5/6 grams of cubensis but they torture me with nausea for the first hour or two until they properly kick in. Does this happen with cyans? I'm hoping that eating less mushroom matter will help to minimise this.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551625 - 10/20/18 03:37 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Cubensis are mostly Psilocybin while cyanescens are mostly psilocin so since the body has to break psilocybin down in to psilocin causing the actual trip cyanescens being all psilocin do not have to break psilocybin down in to the psilocin making the trip come on much faster and stronger!
Some say there is a different feel? I think most people say this because like I was saying your body does not have to convert the psilocybin in to psilocin making it feel somewhat different of an experience.
To me I can say I definitely get more of a cleaner vibe from them than I do with cubensis.
For example cubensis make me feel muddy or dirty in a way I guess you could say while cyanescens feel more fresh and clean.
But that is totally subjective but for me I definitely get way more of an earthy vibe for sure but other than that its the same basic psilocybin/psilocin trip at the end of the day except that it comes on much faster and stronger because your body doesn't have to go threw the process of breaking down psilocybin.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper] * 1
    #25551629 - 10/20/18 03:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
    #25551645 - 10/20/18 04:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!

*shudder*

Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!






I've only had it happen once, and only on Ps. cyans I picked wild the one time.  Never on the cyans I've grown, or with wild liberty caps, or cubes I've grown, no matter the dose.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551652 - 10/20/18 04:08 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.




Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #25551673 - 10/20/18 04:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man!


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #25551676 - 10/20/18 04:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.




Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.



You have that backwards buddy cyanescens are predominantly psilocin and cubensis are predominantly psilocybin.
You dont have to believe me, look it up its a fact.
Other woodlovers definitely have high amounts of psilocybin as well such as Azurecens for example but cubensis definitely have alot lower consintrations of psilocin compared to cyanescens which is the mushroom in question.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25551677 - 10/20/18 04:40 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Cyanescens loose alot of there potency when dried because they are mostly psilocin.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25551691 - 10/20/18 04:57 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Cyanescens loose alot of there potency when dried because they are mostly psilocin.




Hey man I just looked into this on the trip level calculator on this website. I know it's not the most accurate thing in the world but it was I believe generally well researched for the percentages of psilocin and psilocybin in different species of mushroom (an average of course) and it said that there's actually substantially more psilocybin than psilocin in cyans. Still...there's more psilocin in cyans than in cubes. So that could definitely account for the affect you've described :smile:


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551700 - 10/20/18 05:05 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

They'd definitely still lose a fair amount of potency though


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
    #25551840 - 10/20/18 06:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This is why i like cubes that i grew myself

Also, psilocin isnt that fragile. AFAIK psilocybin is fragile. 4-Phosphoroxyl-dmt. The 4 hydroxy arent gonna just vanish

substances like psilocin, even as hcl, can last a good many years. Psilocybin would prolly break down into psilocin after some time

If you just keep psilocin hcl in powder form for 5 years, itll still be good, even just room temp. In fact i wouldnt put it into a fridge, moisture could (and has for me) fucked 4hydroxys for me. They turn black tho and its very obvious

As far as cyan drying and effects on psilocin/psilocybin, that is a whole different story. Btw i actually find psilocybin to be alot more magical if its just one or the other. With psilocybin, everything is jeweled and beautiful. Psilocin is more just intense

Personally i think the paralysis is not from the mush itself, and john's story is very interesting because it refers to homegrown cubes and only one person had that effect. If its the mushrooms, maybe it was a single fruit that only you ate.

But i dunno, this would scare the shit out of me. I def feel like its likely all the surrounding plants and perhaps pesticides play a role with woodlovers, but with cubes, who knows. Ive heard a couple (still very very rare) stories of it happening with cubes. But jeez, i would never want this experience. Its enough to keep me away from azures, tho im still very curious. Never heard of mexicana or truffles doing this


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Fractal420]
    #25551953 - 10/20/18 07:58 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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This is why i like cubes that i grew myself

Also, psilocin isnt that fragile. AFAIK psilocybin is fragile. 4-Phosphoroxyl-dmt. The 4 hydroxy arent gonna just vanish

substances like psilocin, even as hcl, can last a good many years. Psilocybin would prolly break down into psilocin after some time

If you just keep psilocin hcl in powder form for 5 years, itll still be good, even just room temp. In fact i wouldnt put it into a fridge, moisture could (and has for me) fucked 4hydroxys for me. They turn black tho and its very obvious

As far as cyan drying and effects on psilocin/psilocybin, that is a whole different story. Btw i actually find psilocybin to be alot more magical if its just one or the other. With psilocybin, everything is jeweled and beautiful. Psilocin is more just intense

Personally i think the paralysis is not from the mush itself, and john's story is very interesting because it refers to homegrown cubes and only one person had that effect. If its the mushrooms, maybe it was a single fruit that only you ate.

But i dunno, this would scare the shit out of me. I def feel like its likely all the surrounding plants and perhaps pesticides play a role with woodlovers, but with cubes, who knows. Ive heard a couple (still very very rare) stories of it happening with cubes. But jeez, i would never want this experience. Its enough to keep me away from azures, tho im still very curious. Never heard of mexicana or truffles doing this




To be honest everything I hear about psilocin degrading is just what I've read repeatedly on the boards. I've never seen a study or know with any certainty the extent to which it does. I'll have to look into this you've tweaked my interest.

How have you come about pure psilocin? I'd love to try it . I know the lemon tek in theory helps with this but you've had pure psilocin?


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25551992 - 10/20/18 08:21 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

No i actually got psilocin hcl from an rc source, same place that carries 4ho-this and that, they had 4ho-dmt hcl. Got that and -hodipt. Not too different actually, psilo is like 2 hours longer tho. Those are the two that are in HCL form usually, the others tend to be fumarate salts.

Ive had all kinds of psilo and analogs and they behave the same way. The only one that ever "degraded" was homipt and that was because someone (not me, prolly my ex) got water in the bag. It turned completely black. I have -hodipt and such from like 2012 and its still beautifully white and still just as potent. Just needs to be kept dry and cool

These are fully and noticeably active at 4-5mg. Not even weak at that dose, and theyre old. 20mg of 4ho-dmt (or -dipt, or really any of them) and youre fucking flying. I mean, its even a little too intense, this was a really good source that doesnt exist anymore. But good thing i kinda stocked up for when im not making tea.

Plus -dipt is AMAZING and i love the 3-4 hour duration but very strong intensity. It feels very healing. Since its so strong and short, its like the closest thing to dmt without having to smoke a tryptamine. I really just like the oral wholesome experience. Railing or smoking tryptamines is not my thing. Tho you Can for sure with pure psilo or any analog (nasal i mean, some love the experience, not my thing)


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #25552111 - 10/20/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.




Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.



You have that backwards buddy cyanescens are predominantly psilocin and cubensis are predominantly psilocybin.
You dont have to believe me, look it up its a fact.
Other woodlovers definitely have high amounts of psilocybin as well such as Azurecens for example but cubensis definitely have alot lower consintrations of psilocin compared to cyanescens which is the mushroom in question.




:lolwut: I have had to go look it up and I doubt it's changed much in 20 years. Feel free to post whatever you've got that supports your claims though.

Cubes are equal psilocybin and psilocin (as I said "have considerable psilocin" - experience with acidic tea from fresh bears this out).  Ps. cyans have about 2-3 times as much psilocybin as psilocin when dry.  We can argue about sources all day if you want, but this is from what's handy - Stamets' "Psilcoybin Mushrooms of the World".

Here's a couple of the charts on alkaloid content from that book:

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206] * 1
    #26769642 - 06/22/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi, Australian here who has recently had a WLP experience. Muscle weakness (myasthenia) arms and legs, dilated pupils, full recovery after 24hr, P.subs.
I'm a pharmacologist and was naturally interested in what what happening, my suspicion is a muscarinic-type agent based on the effects. Noted the Benadryl "cure" in others' posts didn't try it but suspect it works because of the muscarinic antagonism by first-gen antihistamines. Newer antihistamines don't have this antagonism so probably don't work and this makes me think the histamine theory probably isn't it.
Going to keep researching and will advise of anything of interest.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Drues]
    #26773186 - 06/22/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I assume it’s related to the substrate and plants growing around, not that it’s a new theory, just seems most obvious to me.

Maybe also woodlovers have higher amounts of maoi’s or other chemicals that affect some people much more than others

I do know this is a rare thing. I’ve heard at least a few stories of cubensis having similar effects, extremely rarely


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Fractal420]
    #26976199 - 10/08/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just found this thread...glad it’s here! This topic really piquets my curiosity and fear. Imo this site is truly a rare internet experience I feel that everyone is honest and in it with the best of intentions so I take the paralysis claim very seriously.

I’ve only ingested wood lovers a grip of times (all cy’s I personally found) and never had paralysis. Stamets just claims potential muscle weakness, but something more is obviously going on.

I will say on 1.5g’s of cy’s I get ‘couch locked’ so I need to be in a stable place however this also recently happened on Pan cy’s.

I don’t really have a point here but just wanted to chime in, will be keeping an eye on what happens in this thread too.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26980162 - 10/11/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Just found this thread...glad it’s here! This topic really piquets my curiosity and fear. Imo this site is truly a rare internet experience I feel that everyone is honest and in it with the best of intentions so I take the paralysis claim very seriously.

I’ve only ingested wood lovers a grip of times (all cy’s I personally found) and never had paralysis. Stamets just claims potential muscle weakness, but something more is obviously going on.

I will say on 1.5g’s of cy’s I get ‘couch locked’ so I need to be in a stable place however this also recently happened on Pan cy’s.

I don’t really have a point here but just wanted to chime in, will be keeping an eye on what happens in this thread too.
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I always that the more extreme cases were in mushrooms found in the woods or other places usually (aka woodlovers) that were growing on some sort of substrate in which they absorbed the toxin from that substrate that causes the paralysis.  That or some sort of parasitic tertiary relationship that is growing on the mushrooms is causing the paralysis.

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