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PsilocybinScience
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Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" 1
#25549976 - 10/19/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi Friends,
We have been researching "Wood Lover Paralysis" for the past several years. In doing so, we have found LOTS of great information scattered across several different threads on this site.
I wanted to share a few links, where content related to Wood Lover Paralysis is organized for easier digestion. Also, for anyone who has experienced this phenomenon, we have created a simple anonymous survey where you can share your experience to help us work towards a solution: https://survey.woodloverparalysis.com
Here are other links to places where we have summarized our research: https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-unsolved-mystery https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-black-rot/ https://psilocybintechnology.com/wood-lover-paralysis-chemists-hypothesis-aeruginascin/
Note: On the topic of the "black rot" hypothesis (link #2), we have since discussed it with a world renowned mycologist with expertise in psilocybin containing mushrooms (but who prefers to be left unnamed); he has now analyzed the black rot that forms of Psilocybe cyanescens and does NOT believe that it is causing the paralysis phenomenon.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
#25550025 - 10/19/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Straight Mush]
#25550070 - 10/19/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys are awesome, you are doing most valuable work
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The one time I experienced it, with Ps. cyanescens, were pristine specimens - but collected from a public park where herbicides could have been used, growing on wood chips, which could themselves have been treated.
The proper approach would be to take fruits that have caused the effect and grow them out to fresh cultures under normal conditions, as the effect could be due to rare alkaloids produced in some fruits.
I may have a viable spore print taken from those cyans and if so could grow them and test for the paralysis.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
#25550450 - 10/19/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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spores wont produce identical specimens tho, still might be worth attempting. I dont think the paralysis is a common occurrence tho.. and id guess most people who hunter have a collection from multiple places so it would be harder to pin-point the exact ones causing it
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Great information. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do proper research.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
#25550640 - 10/19/18 03:29 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Katz 206 said: spores wont produce identical specimens tho, still might be worth attempting. I dont think the paralysis is a common occurrence tho.. and id guess most people who hunter have a collection from multiple places so it would be harder to pin-point the exact ones causing it
Yes of course, and I expect the chances of it being genetic to the mushrooms is very small - so I'd been planning to resurrect them anyway. I got fruits growing myc on agar back when I picked them - which would carry it - but I tossed all that when I got the paralysis from tripping. And it was years ago anyway. This was a small isolated crop, the only one I found in that area.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
#25551287 - 10/19/18 09:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The paralysis seems to be worse if you eat shrooms too many days back to back. I had a seriously crazy expirence with it last here. The fllowing is 100% true! Halloween 2017 I ate well over 100 caps of cyanescens mixed with azurescens some dried, some fresh, and some in a jar of honey. Hours later trying to grab a blanket from my truck my neck muscles stopped working and I was holding my own head up by my hair crawling over my front seat from the back. Then I completely lost all muscle control and went out my door face first into mud and rain while hanging upside-down by my ankle which was stuck in my seatbelt. I stayed that way for a while unable to move untill two of my friends found me. They freed my ankle causing the rest of my body to plop onto the mud. I couldn't even move my vocal cords or mouth to tell them what was happening. I was just using all my focus to breath. After a bit I could make grunting noises but still no control of my tounge or mouth to form words. took probably 5 hours to regain enough movement to stand. It was horrible when I was in the mud my body went numb. I could feel the cold wetness one moment and nothing the next. I used everything I could to keep some kind of connection from my brain to my body. I would randomly collapse while walking for about 2 days after and had very limited use of my hands I couldn't unlock my door or start my truck my hands would lock up. It was like if i thought about it too much it would come back, for a long time after halloween. Now anytime I eat wood lovers my hands don't work right the next day. If I eat more with waiting enough days my legs get bad and also my face muscles. It's extremely uncomfortable.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
#25551294 - 10/19/18 09:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also I forgot to mention that for me azurescens cause it way sooner and more intensly than cyans do. Also fresh ones worse than dried. But both have the same affects if I eat too many. Every fall I have lots of problems with the paralysis.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
#25551298 - 10/19/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been paralyzed on the floor making weird snoring noises many times but the story above was the worse.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: John_1098]
#25551398 - 10/19/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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id like to know if it can happen on cubes, ive never had "paralysis" but one time on cubes i was just walking along and next thing i knew i was on the ground, i got back up no problem but it was really strange. it was cubes i grew myself and only a 1.7 dose. but ive never tripped so hard in my life and ever since then ive been really sketched and cautious with shrooms. i never had this problem with cyanescens.
i mean these cubes were DANK lol never tripped like that before off of that amount and i eat cyanescens more often then cubes. the worst part about the whole trip was i was tripping with 2 of my friends and we all took the same amount BUT it hit me well before them, and i was getting insane visuals and they didnt get any at all. i started freaking out in my head because i didnt get why i was tripping balls and they wernt even feeling it... eventually it hit them but it wasnt like mine lol the ground everywhere i looked was rippling like the top of a body of water on a windy day, like the movement of "white caps" but on the ground.
id be really curious if anyone is getting these instances happening from maybe really high dose of non-woodlovers. cuz like i said ive eaten cyanescens plenty and never have i tripped as i did off the cubes that one time. and the one time it hit me hard is when i had the really strange fall.
so far it appears
-doesnt happen to everyone -only reported cases from wood loving species??? -all evidence is anecdotal
does it happen with all wood loving species?
and as far as the pesticide theory, are there cases of this happening in other instances where pesticides are used? from fruits or veggies or anything like that? non-active wood loving edibles??
this topic is prolly the most interesting thing to me, i really hope we can get more information.. i mean by now we really should have some sort of an idea whats going on. i mean how rare of an instance is this
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206]
#25551414 - 10/19/18 11:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer 
Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#25551514 - 10/20/18 01:09 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!
*shudder*
Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25551522 - 10/20/18 01:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer 
Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up 
I'm not sure pine woodchips are good anyway man. It's softwood which holds a lot of resin which wouldn't be good for mycelium (or so I think I've read but I've just woken up and I currently don't feel confident that I'm not talking out of my arse)
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
#25551532 - 10/20/18 01:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrCraggles said: Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!
*shudder*
Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!

There was another thread in the last week about someone talking about paralysis from woodlovers and I put in my two cents about it. In going on almost two decades of picking and eating woodlovers of all different sorts, Azurecens, Cyanescens etc and I or anyone I have ever known personally who I have gifted, given or helped people pick and eat them have ever gotten paralysis from woodlovers let alone any mushroom.
So this definitely does not affect everyone and seems to be some what of a rare phenomenon. Not to say it doesn't happen because it apparently does to some unlucky individuals but I have done extremely high doses to average, mild and low doses and have never had anything noticeable or even close to any type of paralysis. And I have eaten some pretty far gone almost to the point of rotting, nasty lookin specimen that I probably shouldn't have consumed but did and never had any negative effects.
Im not sure exactly what it could be? Anyones guess is as good as mine and could be a number of things? But in my experience and many others I know and have known have never reported any type of paralysis. So it definitely only seems to affect certain individuals and the only time I have ever read or heard anything about this phenomenon is on the shroomery here and nowhere else. People outside of the shroomery who I know who have been picking and eating them for years and years have never heard of this phenomenon at all when I have questioned them about it and were very confused and thought I was bullshiting them.
It could happen to you but it seems to be pretty rare and certainly doesn't affect everyone and I am one who can attest to that after picking and eating them for almost two decades so dont scare you're self because these mushrooms are absolutely amazing and to special to pass up because of something that rarely happens and doesn't seem to affect everyone.
Edited by LincolnCityTripper (10/20/18 01:36 AM)
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MrCraggles said: Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!
*shudder*
Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!

There was another thread in the last week about someone talking about paralysis from woodlovers and I put in my two cents about it. In going on almost two decades of picking and eating woodlovers of all different sorts, Azurecens, Cyanescens etc and I or anyone I have ever known personally who I have gifted, given or helped people pick and eat them have ever gotten paralysis from woodlovers let alone any mushroom.
So this definitely does not affect everyone and seems to be some what of a rare phenomenon. Not to say it doesn't happen because it apparently does to some unlucky individuals but I have done extremely high doses to average, mild and low doses and have never had anything noticeable or even close to any type of paralysis. And I have eaten some pretty far gone almost to the point of rotting, nasty lookin specimen that I probably shouldn't have consumed but did and never had any negative effects.
Im not sure exactly what it could be? Anyones guess is as good as mine and could be a number of things? But in my experience and many others I know and have known have never reported any type of paralysis. So it definitely only seems to affect certain individuals and the only time I have ever read or heard anything about this phenomenon is on the shroomery here and nowhere else. People outside of the shroomery who I know who have been picking and eating them for years and years have never heard of this phenomenon at all when I have questioned them about it and were very confused and thought I was bullshiting them.
It could happen to you but it seems to be pretty rare and certainly doesn't affect everyone and I am one who can attest to that after picking and eating them for almost two decades so dont scare you're self because these mushrooms are absolutely amazing and to special to pass up because of something that rarely happens and doesn't seem to affect everyone.
Phew thanks man you've totally reassured me here! I just hope it won't infect my brain with the fear of it happening and ruin a good trip.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
#25551567 - 10/20/18 02:27 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrCraggles said:
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LogicaL Chaos said: I was going to do a test this year, with cyans, by growing some mycelium on my own pine wood chips, but i fucked up cause i didnt water the mycelium during the summer 
Not sure if it survived to fruit, fucked up 
I'm not sure pine woodchips are good anyway man. It's softwood which holds a lot of resin which wouldn't be good for mycelium (or so I think I've read but I've just woken up and I currently don't feel confident that I'm not talking out of my arse)
Seems fine to me. Ive seen it grow wild on pine wood chips.
Or maybe the resin in the pine chips causes the paralysis/toxicity in cyans?
Hmmmm
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] 1
#25551576 - 10/20/18 02:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont dwell on it bro, I am one who definitely believes the more you think about certain things before a trip on any psychedelic it will direct or push it towards that thing actually happening. At least unwanted effects anyway.
But yeah it definitely does not happen to everyone and if it did you would hear about it more and that is exactly why you have probably never heard of it before because its a pretty rare occurrence. Like I said I have known many many people who have eaten woodlovers, well over two dozen people in my personal life and none of them have ever experienced such a thing let alone had even heard about it.
So yeah man dont psych your self out about this because chances are it will not happen to you. My only advice it dont sit there and think about it day and night or you are going to have lots of paranoia once you finally eat them during the trip. Its been almost 20 years for me and I have eaten multiple different types of woodlovers and all kinds of different doses including extremely high ones which it seems to happen more often from what I have read from people who take large doses but even for me at monster doses it has not happened. So dont dwell and trip your self out, you will be fine and the chances of it happening to you are very slim
Edited by LincolnCityTripper (10/20/18 02:37 AM)
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Thanks man I appreciate the reassurance! I think you've managed to remove the fear so thanks. I've been staring over at my boxes of Cyans as though they're my enemy hahaha. I think I'll return to looking at them like my babies
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