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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
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They are such beautiful mushrooms! And give an even more beautiful experience! Definitely not your enemy bro.
If anything they are a teacher of great wisdom in this crazy thing we call life.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
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LincolnCityTripper said:
They are such beautiful mushrooms! And give an even more beautiful experience! Definitely not your enemy bro.
If anything they are a teacher of great wisdom in this crazy thing we call life.


Does the strength make the experience qualitatively different from a cubensis experience? I mean I know it's the exact same psychoactive chemicals but the strength would make for faster absorption and I'm just wondering how they might differ slightly from cubes?

I usually trip on 5/6 grams of cubensis but they torture me with nausea for the first hour or two until they properly kick in. Does this happen with cyans? I'm hoping that eating less mushroom matter will help to minimise this.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
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Cubensis are mostly Psilocybin while cyanescens are mostly psilocin so since the body has to break psilocybin down in to psilocin causing the actual trip cyanescens being all psilocin do not have to break psilocybin down in to the psilocin making the trip come on much faster and stronger!
Some say there is a different feel? I think most people say this because like I was saying your body does not have to convert the psilocybin in to psilocin making it feel somewhat different of an experience.
To me I can say I definitely get more of a cleaner vibe from them than I do with cubensis.
For example cubensis make me feel muddy or dirty in a way I guess you could say while cyanescens feel more fresh and clean.
But that is totally subjective but for me I definitely get way more of an earthy vibe for sure but other than that its the same basic psilocybin/psilocin trip at the end of the day except that it comes on much faster and stronger because your body doesn't have to go threw the process of breaking down psilocybin.

Edited by LincolnCityTripper (10/20/18 03:40 AM)

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper] * 1
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Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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MrCraggles said:
Omg is this some sort of sick joke that I'm not in on?!? I've JUST added Psilocybe Cyanescens WBS spawn to alder and oak chips in boxes so that I can start by own bed in spring! I had absolutely no idea this was even a thing!!! I think I'd be pretty scarred for life if this happened to me because it's pretty much one of my worst fears! Especially not being able to communicate the issue like the guy above!

*shudder*

Now I feel like I'm growing little boxes of unadulterated evil!




I've only had it happen once, and only on Ps. cyans I picked wild the one time.  Never on the cyans I've grown, or with wild liberty caps, or cubes I've grown, no matter the dose.


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.


Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Thanks man!


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
MrCraggles said:
Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.


Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.


You have that backwards buddy cyanescens are predominantly psilocin and cubensis are predominantly psilocybin.
You dont have to believe me, look it up its a fact.
Other woodlovers definitely have high amounts of psilocybin as well such as Azurecens for example but cubensis definitely have alot lower consintrations of psilocin compared to cyanescens which is the mushroom in question.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
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Cyanescens loose alot of there potency when dried because they are mostly psilocin.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
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LincolnCityTripper said:
Cyanescens loose alot of there potency when dried because they are mostly psilocin.


Hey man I just looked into this on the trip level calculator on this website. I know it's not the most accurate thing in the world but it was I believe generally well researched for the percentages of psilocin and psilocybin in different species of mushroom (an average of course) and it said that there's actually substantially more psilocybin than psilocin in cyans. Still...there's more psilocin in cyans than in cubes. So that could definitely account for the affect you've described :smile:


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
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They'd definitely still lose a fair amount of potency though


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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This is why i like cubes that i grew myself

Also, psilocin isnt that fragile. AFAIK psilocybin is fragile. 4-Phosphoroxyl-dmt. The 4 hydroxy arent gonna just vanish

substances like psilocin, even as hcl, can last a good many years. Psilocybin would prolly break down into psilocin after some time

If you just keep psilocin hcl in powder form for 5 years, itll still be good, even just room temp. In fact i wouldnt put it into a fridge, moisture could (and has for me) fucked 4hydroxys for me. They turn black tho and its very obvious

As far as cyan drying and effects on psilocin/psilocybin, that is a whole different story. Btw i actually find psilocybin to be alot more magical if its just one or the other. With psilocybin, everything is jeweled and beautiful. Psilocin is more just intense

Personally i think the paralysis is not from the mush itself, and john's story is very interesting because it refers to homegrown cubes and only one person had that effect. If its the mushrooms, maybe it was a single fruit that only you ate.

But i dunno, this would scare the shit out of me. I def feel like its likely all the surrounding plants and perhaps pesticides play a role with woodlovers, but with cubes, who knows. Ive heard a couple (still very very rare) stories of it happening with cubes. But jeez, i would never want this experience. Its enough to keep me away from azures, tho im still very curious. Never heard of mexicana or truffles doing this


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Edited by Fractal420 (10/20/18 07:11 AM)

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Fractal420]
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Fractal420 said:
This is why i like cubes that i grew myself

Also, psilocin isnt that fragile. AFAIK psilocybin is fragile. 4-Phosphoroxyl-dmt. The 4 hydroxy arent gonna just vanish

substances like psilocin, even as hcl, can last a good many years. Psilocybin would prolly break down into psilocin after some time

If you just keep psilocin hcl in powder form for 5 years, itll still be good, even just room temp. In fact i wouldnt put it into a fridge, moisture could (and has for me) fucked 4hydroxys for me. They turn black tho and its very obvious

As far as cyan drying and effects on psilocin/psilocybin, that is a whole different story. Btw i actually find psilocybin to be alot more magical if its just one or the other. With psilocybin, everything is jeweled and beautiful. Psilocin is more just intense

Personally i think the paralysis is not from the mush itself, and john's story is very interesting because it refers to homegrown cubes and only one person had that effect. If its the mushrooms, maybe it was a single fruit that only you ate.

But i dunno, this would scare the shit out of me. I def feel like its likely all the surrounding plants and perhaps pesticides play a role with woodlovers, but with cubes, who knows. Ive heard a couple (still very very rare) stories of it happening with cubes. But jeez, i would never want this experience. Its enough to keep me away from azures, tho im still very curious. Never heard of mexicana or truffles doing this


To be honest everything I hear about psilocin degrading is just what I've read repeatedly on the boards. I've never seen a study or know with any certainty the extent to which it does. I'll have to look into this you've tweaked my interest.

How have you come about pure psilocin? I'd love to try it . I know the lemon tek in theory helps with this but you've had pure psilocin?


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: MrCraggles]
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No i actually got psilocin hcl from an rc source, same place that carries 4ho-this and that, they had 4ho-dmt hcl. Got that and -hodipt. Not too different actually, psilo is like 2 hours longer tho. Those are the two that are in HCL form usually, the others tend to be fumarate salts.

Ive had all kinds of psilo and analogs and they behave the same way. The only one that ever "degraded" was homipt and that was because someone (not me, prolly my ex) got water in the bag. It turned completely black. I have -hodipt and such from like 2012 and its still beautifully white and still just as potent. Just needs to be kept dry and cool

These are fully and noticeably active at 4-5mg. Not even weak at that dose, and theyre old. 20mg of 4ho-dmt (or -dipt, or really any of them) and youre fucking flying. I mean, its even a little too intense, this was a really good source that doesnt exist anymore. But good thing i kinda stocked up for when im not making tea.

Plus -dipt is AMAZING and i love the 3-4 hour duration but very strong intensity. It feels very healing. Since its so strong and short, its like the closest thing to dmt without having to smoke a tryptamine. I really just like the oral wholesome experience. Railing or smoking tryptamines is not my thing. Tho you Can for sure with pure psilo or any analog (nasal i mean, some love the experience, not my thing)


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Grinning wide
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
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LincolnCityTripper said:
PrimalSoup said:
MrCraggles said:
Wait does this mean cyans aren't very good for drying? If they're predominantly psilocin then this would oxidise and deteriorate quickly in the drying process. Drying keeps the psilocybin.

Liberty caps are the best for drying being nearly completely psilocybin.


Most woodlovers have more psilocybin then psilocin and dry very well.  Cubes have considerable psilocin and benefit from being made into tea from fresh fruits.  Sorry it's late and I can't find specific analysis for Ps. cyans but they aren't different.


You have that backwards buddy cyanescens are predominantly psilocin and cubensis are predominantly psilocybin.
You dont have to believe me, look it up its a fact.
Other woodlovers definitely have high amounts of psilocybin as well such as Azurecens for example but cubensis definitely have alot lower consintrations of psilocin compared to cyanescens which is the mushroom in question.


:lolwut: I have had to go look it up and I doubt it's changed much in 20 years. Feel free to post whatever you've got that supports your claims though.

Cubes are equal psilocybin and psilocin (as I said "have considerable psilocin" - experience with acidic tea from fresh bears this out).  Ps. cyans have about 2-3 times as much psilocybin as psilocin when dry.  We can argue about sources all day if you want, but this is from what's handy - Stamets' "Psilcoybin Mushrooms of the World".

Here's a couple of the charts on alkaloid content from that book:

  :goodday:



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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Katz 206] * 1
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Hi, Australian here who has recently had a WLP experience. Muscle weakness (myasthenia) arms and legs, dilated pupils, full recovery after 24hr, P.subs.
I'm a pharmacologist and was naturally interested in what what happening, my suspicion is a muscarinic-type agent based on the effects. Noted the Benadryl "cure" in others' posts didn't try it but suspect it works because of the muscarinic antagonism by first-gen antihistamines. Newer antihistamines don't have this antagonism so probably don't work and this makes me think the histamine theory probably isn't it.
Going to keep researching and will advise of anything of interest.

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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Drues]
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I assume it’s related to the substrate and plants growing around, not that it’s a new theory, just seems most obvious to me.

Maybe also woodlovers have higher amounts of maoi’s or other chemicals that affect some people much more than others

I do know this is a rare thing. I’ve heard at least a few stories of cubensis having similar effects, extremely rarely


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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: Fractal420]
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Just found this thread...glad it’s here! This topic really piquets my curiosity and fear. Imo this site is truly a rare internet experience I feel that everyone is honest and in it with the best of intentions so I take the paralysis claim very seriously.

I’ve only ingested wood lovers a grip of times (all cy’s I personally found) and never had paralysis. Stamets just claims potential muscle weakness, but something more is obviously going on.

I will say on 1.5g’s of cy’s I get ‘couch locked’ so I need to be in a stable place however this also recently happened on Pan cy’s.

I don’t really have a point here but just wanted to chime in, will be keeping an eye on what happens in this thread too.
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Re: Mushroom Paralysis aka "Wood Lover Paralysis" [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
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CHUCK.HNTR said:
Just found this thread...glad it’s here! This topic really piquets my curiosity and fear. Imo this site is truly a rare internet experience I feel that everyone is honest and in it with the best of intentions so I take the paralysis claim very seriously.

I’ve only ingested wood lovers a grip of times (all cy’s I personally found) and never had paralysis. Stamets just claims potential muscle weakness, but something more is obviously going on.

I will say on 1.5g’s of cy’s I get ‘couch locked’ so I need to be in a stable place however this also recently happened on Pan cy’s.

I don’t really have a point here but just wanted to chime in, will be keeping an eye on what happens in this thread too.
:eyeball:



I always that the more extreme cases were in mushrooms found in the woods or other places usually (aka woodlovers) that were growing on some sort of substrate in which they absorbed the toxin from that substrate that causes the paralysis.  That or some sort of parasitic tertiary relationship that is growing on the mushrooms is causing the paralysis.

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