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spiz
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Monotub with computer fan 1
#25549117 - 10/19/18 03:16 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do people use computer fans for FAE when using a monotub rather than having to run a larger fan that's not even allowed to directly face the tubs to avoid drying them out? Seems kind of wasteful.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: spiz] 1
#25549120 - 10/19/18 03:30 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omg this is genius! Is this the first time you've done this? You should get some nice fat fruits! I absolutely love this!
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: MrCraggles] 1
#25549128 - 10/19/18 03:41 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd imagine you'll end up drying your sub out forcing that much FAE through..Monotubs have enough exchange without the use of a fan
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You can't pump FAE in. Its a frequent *exchange*.
A good fruiting chamber finds a balance between the most FAE you can allow for the least maintenance. Take a typical monotub design with polyfil for example. When I uses these, I set the bottom poly very tight and the top very loose. I like to see an even layer of tiny water droplets across the surface, that start to dry up directly in front of the bottom holes with poly. That bit of drying shows if I adjust the bottom poly looser, the surface would start to dry up and I would need misting. If I made the poly tighter, less FAE would mean less (constant) evaporation of water droplets off the substrate surface, a major pinning trigger, and I would get puddles instead of tiny droplets. The poly is just a way of restricting FAE how you want.
This is called "dialing in". A tub that is dialed in just right will rarely need a misting, you can just leave it alone till harvest time.
There are other ways of adjusting FAE besides polyfil in the holes, lately I use micropore tape- adding/removing layers is like tightening or loosening The polyfil. My tubs all have holes, so I go with one of these methods, but you don't need holes at all. In an modified tub, the lid is set on upside down, and you can restrict FAE how you need by cracking the lid or not.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: mushpunx] 1
#25549146 - 10/19/18 03:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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After reading the above comments and realising they're totally right it doesn't seem so genius after all Good try though!
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: MrCraggles] 1
#25549163 - 10/19/18 04:25 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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MrCraggles said: After reading the above comments and realising they're totally right it doesn't seem so genius after all Good try though!
cool experiment tho. and i bet someone could dial in the use of that fan somehow.
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Monotubs get FAE automatically 24/7 they don't need a fan. Adding a fan makes it not a monotub it makes it a over engineered pile of crap.
Don't improve on methods until you master them Until you get flushes like this from a tub you shouldn't really be trying to "fix it" If it doesn't look like this you need to dial in yourself first. Once it looks like this then worry about finding ways to make it look/work better. Nearly 0 maintenance.
 
Just coir and oats in a tub with no holes. Misted between 0-3 times until fruiting.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25549646 - 10/19/18 09:14 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on que, bodhisatta strikes down another soul who thinks they have created a superior monotub that will out perform anything anybody’s ever seen before.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25549678 - 10/19/18 09:26 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Monotubs get FAE automatically 24/7 they don't need a fan. Adding a fan makes it not a monotub it makes it a over engineered pile of crap.
Don't improve on methods until you master them Until you get flushes like this from a tub you shouldn't really be trying to "fix it" If it doesn't look like this you need to dial in yourself first. Once it looks like this then worry about finding ways to make it look/work better. Nearly 0 maintenance.
 
Just coir and oats in a tub with no holes. Misted between 0-3 times until fruiting.
So do you not have any sort of fan running in the room which you have your monotub? I thought everyone had a fan running and was merely trying to reduce the size of the fan and have it closer
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: Cybin_man] 1
#25549688 - 10/19/18 09:30 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cybin_man said: Right on que, bodhisatta strikes down another soul who thinks they have created a superior monotub that will out perform anything anybody’s ever seen before.
Never said it was superior, just experimenting which can possibly lead to innovation. So suck a dick mate
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: spiz] 1
#25549691 - 10/19/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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No fan in the room.
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spiz
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25549716 - 10/19/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: No fan in the room.
FFS hahaha. There's so many conflicting views on here, even amongst experienced growers such as yourself.
I'll give it a shot then without a fan at all as I have had trouble in the past with drying out my sub after the first flush when running a fan in the room
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: spiz] 1
#25549832 - 10/19/18 10:23 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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spiz said:
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Cybin_man said: Right on que, bodhisatta strikes down another soul who thinks they have created a superior monotub that will out perform anything anybody’s ever seen before.
Never said it was superior, just experimenting which can possibly lead to innovation. So suck a dick mate
Calm down Einstein, it was a joke
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chaosshadow
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: Cybin_man] 1
#25549870 - 10/19/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think that as long the tubs are in a room with clean air, it doesnt need a fan, if there is activity going on. I was tempted to add a fan to my work area (garage) But I figured, I open the door to check in on my Agar plates and tubs at least once a day, that there, is enough air exchange for the garage, my cat lives there, I even have some plants there. Livable area xD No more air needed.
I used to have my tubs in my main room that has a ceiling fan, and even though the fan wasnt directly pointing at the substrate (it wasnt even in the section of the room) it was drying faster, i didnt even noticed it at first because It was my runs, until I changed located and now my substrates last so much longer without drying, i also find out thats why my venus fly trap died, the air was drying the soil too fast
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: chaosshadow] 1
#25549908 - 10/19/18 10:50 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive had my cats jump on the lids of my unmodified tubs sending the lid flying the cat ends up in the tub and the tub still does just fine. They don't have ever wash their hands. Im not worried about environmental contaminants when my spawn is clean
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25550157 - 10/19/18 12:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I have learned that mycelium can be strong as long as the grain they came from is clean.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: chaosshadow] 1
#25550273 - 10/19/18 01:01 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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it might be worth stuffing that intake with a carbon filter to clean air/slow down the intense exchange that will come off a computer fan and see what happens.
report back with results, always interested in hearing them. despite the negativities here sometimes people do have eureka moments on this very sub that changes the game forever.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25550290 - 10/19/18 01:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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also, about the harvesting done on those glorious tubs, is cutting the stipes like that going rot before subsequent flushes? I always thought that mushrooms, being the temporal spectres of the forest they are, would rot away unless the fruit is twisted clean off?
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bodhisatta 
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No, mushrooms are 100% mycelium no difference than the surface already was. New pins form off of the stumps.
Cutting substrate off of fruits after harvesting is ultra stupid imo. Cutting is the absolute way to go
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta]
#25550340 - 10/19/18 01:27 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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valuable intel. twist and pull does occasionally pull a clump of myc, which i would imagine invites contam & stress.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta]
#25550743 - 10/19/18 04:14 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would wager that the impressive mono tubs you posted pictures of have a lot more to do with the isolates they contain than the specific conditions inside the tub.
Ive gotten flushes like that with automation schemes involving ultrasonic foggers, fans, timers and relays and Ive gotten shitty results using ultrasonic foggers, fans, timers and relays.
Ive gotten results like that using passive means of environmental control too, and shitty results using the same.
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Re: Monotub with computer fan [Re: bodhisatta]
#25552227 - 10/20/18 10:10 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Monotubs get FAE automatically 24/7 they don't need a fan. Adding a fan makes it not a monotub it makes it a over engineered pile of crap.
Don't improve on methods until you master them Until you get flushes like this from a tub you shouldn't really be trying to "fix it" If it doesn't look like this you need to dial in yourself first. Once it looks like this then worry about finding ways to make it look/work better. Nearly 0 maintenance.
 
Just coir and oats in a tub with no holes. Misted between 0-3 times until fruiting.
OMG that's very nice. Do you know a good step by step monotub post, which could give me similar results as yours?
Thank you
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