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themushroomdon
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PE NOT PINNING (IT PINNED)
#25545954 - 10/17/18 11:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gain: RYE BERRY
Substrate: Pre-pasteurized bulk substrate; six main ingredients including an organic compost, dehydrated horse manure, exotic zoo manure, organic coconut coir, vermiculite, and gypsum
Casing : NONE
Hello I’m seeking help from a fellow mycologist! I’m trying too make this Penis Envy pin but I’m unsure why it hasn't begun too pin yet. I searched this whole site looking for answers but no luck so I made an account just too find some sort of solution.
I moved my colonized rye berries into the substrate 2.5 weeks ago and the substrate was fully colonized after 7 days. Keep in mind I had too thaw the substrate from the freezer (which was in a bag with air filter) so it might have gained extra moister. About 4 days ago I noticed there was a lot of pooling of water on the substrate/mycelium and tons of water vapor under my monotub lid. I patted it down lightly with some paper towels about 4 days ago and have been fanning and misting ever since. It's fully colonized and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or could have done better too speed this process up. We're approaching 3 weeks and still no luck on even a single pin.
Should I use wax paper too trigger pinning along with fan and mist?
Any wise advice from experienced mycologist?

Also I think these rye berries I did grain too grain on are contaminated can anyone confirm my thoughts before I toss them?
Edited by themushroomdon (11/02/18 01:32 AM)
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It looks pretty good, I think I see even some primordia in there. You'll be alright.
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Multispore PE can take long to pin.
Clone the first good fruit you get and then you'll have a higher chance on your next grow for faster fruiting genetics. Your substrate looks like it will fruit or blob within the next week.
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themushroomdon
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Clone the first decent sized fruit gotcha. Should I wait for them too all finish growing or should I pick it immediately and then clone it.
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themushroomdon
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Thanks for that, I thought I fucked up. It's my first grow, 3 months in total from syringe too this! PE takes such a long!
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themushroomdon
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I ordered everything too start my agar transfers so I can create a monoculture for better genetics. These wait times are cancerous there’s no way it’s been 3 weeks already since I began this monotub and there’s absolutely no pinning, I must be doing something wrong. I applied wax paper too help promote pinning and I stopped misting because the mycelium is shiny and covered with water droplets. I’m still fanning. Wtf penis envy.
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themushroomdon
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Should I add a casing?
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themushroomdon said: Should I add a casing?
No its too late it would be pointless. PE just takes fucking forever to pin. If u are unluckly it might be trich out before the first flush but it shouldnt do that as long as you arent too bacterial. Just let it do its thing.
Often times you'll get a first flush of blobs instead of pins.
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themushroomdon
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Why is it too late? What is trich out? This is all new too me. At what point should I be adding a casing if now is too late?
Edited by themushroomdon (10/23/18 12:19 AM)
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themushroomdon said: Why is it too late? What is trich out? This is all new too me. At what point should I be adding a casing if now is too late?
It's too late because your mycelium is probably in the midst of fruiting.
Have you ever had a jerk off session where it just took you a really long time to cum? Would it have helped you get off faster if suddenly your mom walked in the room to tell you the proper way to get off? Fuck no, you were doing just fine jerking off on your own and now you gotta tell your mom to fuck off and get your mind back in the game because that shit really startled you.
That's what happens when you suddenly change the conditions on the mycelium at the moment of pinning.
I think you've already gone this far, you should keep conditions as is and learn from this experience. Case your next tub right at full colonization.
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themushroomdon
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I think this is contaminated. This is showing no growth what so ever. 3 weeks with no progress or pinning is dumb.
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themushroomdon
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I tried too put a paper towel down too grab all the droplets of water and now some portions of the mycelium are bruised blue fucking great.
This is frustrating because “just be patient” doesn’t seem like the answer here. Theres something i’m doing wrong and I can’t figure it out. I almost want too toss this and start over.
Edited by themushroomdon (10/23/18 04:03 AM)
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I thougnt i told you i had a tub of pe that took over 3 weeks to pin. Just start a new project.
How thick is your substrate. It's not a sure thing but i feel like i get more blobs and slower pinsets when the substrate is really thick.
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themushroomdon
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HOLY SHIT PINS!!! JUST WHEN I HAD ALMOST GIVEN UP!
THANK YOU JESUS
Substrate is 2.5inches

Edited by themushroomdon (10/23/18 05:45 AM)
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Lol 3 weeks is normal for pe. Keep that in mind if you grow it again. Any other strains like GT, and 3 weeks is pushing things, but still it is within a reasonable timespan. I've had non pe subs push fruits out after 28+ days. My motto is, if it isn't moldy, keep it going. They fruit when they're ready.
Also gratz. Make sure the surface is glistening with moisture but no pooling water, and those pins will be very happy.
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themushroomdon
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Lmao I got 23 more quart jars that I recently inoculated so I’m definetly doing PE again. So I guess I really do have too be more patient. 28days holy shit. Oh wow I thought glistening was bad. So I ended up bruising them trying too dry them with paper towels since it had droplets. Is droplets considered pooling? Or is it literally a puddle of water that I have too watch out for? Is there anyway I can undo that bruising I just caused?
Edited by themushroomdon (10/23/18 06:28 AM)
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23461134
Yeah literally puddles of water is what you're avoiding. They'll turn yellow with metabolites. You want droplets across the surface, or have it shimmering if you shine a light on it.
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themushroomdon
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I just read that whole article this whole time I thought it was too moist now it’s bruising blue in a lot of spots because it’s too dry. Thank you so much for posting that and also including pics <3 of the water droplets. I just sprayed my mono!
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themushroomdon
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If it’s bruised how do I unbruise it?
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You can't unbruise it. It will fruit regardless as long as you haven't dried the thing out too much! The surface of my B+ bruised blue extensively before even though it was sprayed 3X daily and I still got an excellent flush. I'd obviously given too much FAE.
You haven't sprayed it for an entire month?! I'll be surprised if there's much water in there at all to support proper mushroom growth. Make sure you're spraying at least three times a day. Let the water evaporate off before spraying it again.
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It wouldn't surprise me if you have a much better second flush after you give the cake a good dunk in water for 24 hours.
Mushrooms need water to grow, being 90% water! You've lost most water from the cake through evaporation and spraying isn't going to replenish in the way you need.
Has your cake shrank quite a bit and pulled away from the sides?
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themushroomdon
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I’m not doing a cake. I’m doing grains in substrate. Yeah I stopped watering for about 5 days in the beginning of the fruiting stage, there was so much water evaporating on the roof of the lid and walls of the monotub I actually applied paper towel too the substrate in an attempt too lessen the amount of water and began fanning. I guess all that water was a good thing and I shouldn’t have let it dry out for that long, I’m spraying 4-5 times now and barely getting condensation on the walls of the Monotub, but the substrate/myclemium definetly looks saturated with water. This is all new too me so I’m definetly fucking it up left and right.
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Monotubs are meant to be set-and-forget. You shouldn't be obsessing over them as much as you are. If dialled in, you should not have to add moisture.
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: teladi]
#25562184 - 10/24/18 02:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry I call 'cake' any substrate covered with mycelium.
Well...guess it all comes down to how much water has escaped.
Don't now make the mistake of drowning it! You should only be spraying it once the previous spraying has evaporated.
Good luck!
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themushroomdon said: HOLY SHIT PINS!!! JUST WHEN I HAD ALMOST GIVEN UP!
THANK YOU JESUS
Substrate is 2.5inches


Patience is the key. My last shoebox of pe took 4 weeks to pin. But after she pinned I got a nice first flush. Got 2 oz dry. Let’s just say I was pretty happy. This hobby isn’t for the impatient people out there.
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: teladi]
#25565254 - 10/25/18 02:29 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I had it dialed in really good before I fucked it up, I get my substrate from Shroom supply. There was a lot of moister but I ended up getting a paper towel and trying too dry it out. But I’m learning so next time I definetly won’t do that. I’ve been fanning and misting, misting every 3-4 hours when the water starts too disappear and just become shiny.
Not really getting too many pins weird I read that PE is supposed too be a heavy fruiter, but they say usually you might get blobs your first run? Not sure why some peopl get pins and other blobs? Update pics:
Edited by themushroomdon (10/25/18 02:36 AM)
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Not sure what these big white mycelium things are, is this what they call a blob?
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Just leave them alone for a couple of days. You have fruits coming in. 
You can love them to death.
Looks like a blob coming in. But you have some pins too.
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
#25565275 - 10/25/18 02:43 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MY GUY! I just read through your PE tips, fire!!! Very detailed! I will definetly be using your method next grow when these rye berries get colonized. Guess casings are a must with PE!
I assume you mean leave them alone as in, just fan and mist and be on about your day haha.
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Thank you. A casing isn't absolutely necessary but a few other and I agree that it helps. Just make sure you properly pasteurize it.
And by leave them alone I mean... LEAVE THEM ALONE. No misting or fanning. Just go about your day. If your FAE is right you don't need to fan. Don't mist on any kind of set schedule! You shouldn't be going... "well, I woke up, time to mist. Lunchtime, time to mist." No!
That surface is plenty wet. Mist it when like 90% has evaped. As long as there is moisture beading on the surface you're fine. Also over misting while the pinset is coming in can hurt your yield.
Just simmer down the next few days and let them do their thing.
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
#25565399 - 10/25/18 04:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lmao “just woke up; time too mist & lunch time *mist*” is exactly what I was doing. Fuck okay, thank you I didn’t realize I was doing too much. I’ll leave them alone and wait for evaporation too pick up. I’ll continue my 12/12 schedule for light. Would there be any point in time where I should follow a schedule; example: after pinning is complete? Or do I wait for 90% evaporation everytime?
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I could tell that's what you were doing.
DO NOT follow a "misting schedule" ever. If it's looking dry then mist it. PE tends to require more moisture than other varities but you can still over do it.
Ignore them for a few days and watch how well they'll look after themselves.
I've also noticed that PE like a lil more fae. So if the poly in the tub holes is tight, you may want to consider loosening it some.
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
#25568188 - 10/26/18 01:22 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I loosened up the FAE holes a bit as recommended.
I haven’t touched it in about 24 hours and the surface looks dry as hell. I guess if the substrate was dialed in it would make sense too not touch them for a couple days. But idk this looks dry too me so im going too mist it.
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Yeah good call. Mist when not glistening until glistening. Pe especially are thirsty AF. Once your surface dries out it seems you gotta mist it at least once a day.
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i'd mist that fo sho. looks dry and a little matted (probably from drying out).
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themushroomdon
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Thanks been following that! Once it stops shining I mist it.
Not too much of a heavy pin set but ther slowly coming in, I’m really happy with how it’s turning out hopefully more pins come soon nothings growing in the middle
I want too thank everyone for the helping me on my first grow so far!
Here’s an update of my pinset so far:
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yeah mine took around a month too lol seems to be the average for MS, I wonder how long the time gets reduced for monocultures
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that would depend entirely on the monoculture
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themushroomdon
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Is it normal too have this few pins from a multispore syring?
How would I go about getting more pins?
Also I just got some agar from shroomsupply and I injected the multispore syringe into the agar 3 days ago all 4 agars have no signs of life or anything. Is this normal?
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there is no normal when it comes to ms. well, that may be slightly untrue. it's normal for ms to behave like a hodge podge of random genetics because it is. it may be amazing or may suck. but my ms PE "normally" does a lot better than that.
all you can do (with ms) is try your best for clean inoculum, clean spawn and optimum conditions. I'd guess you let your surface get too dry prior to pinning which caused it to mat. matted surfaces are not optimum for pinning. PE can be strange on the first flush and still give you a good second though.
don't worry about not seeing growth in a few days. spores on agar can take a little time. to get better yields, wait for growth on your plates and make a transfer or two from the fastest, healthiest looking and most organized myc. continue with transferring in this way to new plates until it looks super organized and free from contams. use this agar to noc up spawn and grow a tub or two. you'll then clone the best fruits from the tubs by taking piece of inner stipe tissue to agar. you then have to transfer these until clean and grow out a few clones. make sure to keep the genetics of each clone on agar so that you can grow the best one out again (and again and again...) once you've found the keeper. chances are, out of three or four clones you'll find something pretty descent. always keep genetics backed up on agar until you know what they are made of. if all your clones turn out to be shit, you go back to your clean ms on agar and do another clone hunting grow.
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don't mist so much. Only needs a few passes overhead.
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themushroomdon
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So far still nothing in my agar after 6 days I’ll keep being patient
1) I think my mushrooms are ready for harvest what do you Guys think? I see the gills openining up. 2) when harvesting do I also pick the small mushrooms as well or do I leave them then dunk? 3) how would I go about picking blobs just ripping them out the substrate?
Edited by themushroomdon (10/31/18 01:42 AM)
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those are ready enough but you don't have to take them. the one in the back is starting to show you it's ready, PE gets all bumpy and gnarly at the top of the stipe when it's ready.
i just pluck blobs off with the good ol twist and pull motion.
little guys can be taken or left. it depends on if they are done or not. it takes a little getting used to but you can look closely at them and see if they are starting to abort and or just finish up all small. i don't dunk monos. i just harvest and let them be for a day or two and then carry on misting as usual. if i pull a hell of a first flush and thereby lose a lot of water i'll pour a cup of water down the side and let the sub drink it up.
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Thank you I’ll wait till the top gets morphed up on all of them
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phenos can be strange though. if any of them start getting soft they are ready. PE should get herpes doesn't mean it always will.
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Define soft, I noticed one of them flopped over and is now falling on the floor is this what you mean?

Also are aborts edible?
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soft meaning softer than they normally are. just feel them. you'll be able to tell. those are ready by the way, and yes, aborts are edible
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You should change the name of this thread to "pe pinning"
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YAY, I’m going too pick them all and dunk it since my substrate it was dried out so badly for a while.
Edited by themushroomdon (11/02/18 01:49 AM)
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LMAO!!!!
We’ve come a long way
Edited by themushroomdon (11/02/18 01:31 AM)
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Also are aborts edible?
Aborts make perfect specimens for shroom tea
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