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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25562087 - 10/24/18 12:45 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if you have a much better second flush after you give the cake a good dunk in water for 24 hours.

Mushrooms need water to grow, being 90% water! You've lost most water from the cake through evaporation and spraying isn't going to replenish in the way you need.

Has your cake shrank quite a bit and pulled away from the sides?


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: MrCraggles]
    #25562133 - 10/24/18 01:37 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I’m not doing a cake. I’m doing grains in substrate. Yeah I stopped watering for about 5 days in the beginning of the fruiting stage, there was so much water evaporating on the roof of the lid and walls of the monotub I actually applied paper towel too the substrate in an attempt too lessen the amount of water and began fanning. I guess all that water was a good thing and I shouldn’t have let it dry out for that long, I’m spraying 4-5 times now and barely getting condensation on the walls of the Monotub, but the substrate/myclemium definetly looks saturated with water. This is all new too me so I’m definetly fucking it up left and right.

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25562171 - 10/24/18 02:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Monotubs are meant to be set-and-forget. You shouldn't be obsessing over them as much as you are. If dialled in, you should not have to add moisture.

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: teladi]
    #25562184 - 10/24/18 02:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry I call 'cake' any substrate covered with mycelium.

Well...guess it all comes down to how much water has escaped.

Don't now make the mistake of drowning it! You should only be spraying it once the previous spraying has evaporated.

Good luck!


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25562241 - 10/24/18 03:28 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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HOLY SHIT PINS!!! JUST WHEN I HAD ALMOST GIVEN UP!

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Patience is the key. My last shoebox of pe took 4 weeks to pin. But after she pinned I got a nice first flush. Got 2 oz dry. Let’s just say I was pretty happy. This hobby isn’t for the impatient people out there.

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: teladi]
    #25565254 - 10/25/18 02:29 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I think I had it dialed in really good before I fucked it up, I get my substrate from Shroom supply. There was a lot of moister but I ended up getting a paper towel and trying too dry it out. But I’m learning so next time I definetly won’t do that. I’ve been fanning and misting, misting every 3-4 hours when the water starts too disappear and just become shiny.


Not really getting too many pins weird I read that PE is supposed too be a heavy fruiter, but they say usually you might get blobs your first run? Not sure why some peopl get pins and other blobs?
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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25565259 - 10/25/18 02:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure what these big white mycelium things are, is this what they call a blob?



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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25565261 - 10/25/18 02:36 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Just leave them alone for a couple of days. You have fruits coming in. :thumbup:

You can love them to death.

Looks like a blob coming in. But you have some pins too.


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
    #25565275 - 10/25/18 02:43 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

MY GUY! I just read through your PE tips, fire!!! Very detailed! I will definetly be using your method next grow when these rye berries get colonized. Guess casings are a must with PE!

I assume you mean leave them alone as in, just fan and mist and be on about your day haha.

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25565294 - 10/25/18 02:58 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you. A casing isn't absolutely necessary but a few other and I agree that it helps. Just make sure you properly pasteurize it.

And by leave them alone I mean... LEAVE THEM ALONE. No misting or fanning. Just go about your day. If your FAE is right you don't need to fan. Don't mist on any kind of set schedule! You shouldn't be going... "well, I woke up, time to mist. Lunchtime, time to mist." No!

That surface is plenty wet. Mist it when like 90% has evaped. As long as there is moisture beading on the surface you're fine. Also over misting while the pinset is coming in can hurt your yield.

Just simmer down the next few days and let them do their thing.


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
    #25565399 - 10/25/18 04:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Lmao “just woke up; time too mist & lunch time *mist*” is exactly what I was doing. Fuck okay, thank you I didn’t realize I was doing too much. I’ll leave them alone and wait for evaporation too pick up. I’ll continue my 12/12 schedule for light. Would there be any point in time where I should follow a schedule; example: after pinning is complete? Or do I wait for 90% evaporation everytime?

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25566569 - 10/25/18 01:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I could tell that's what you were doing.

DO NOT follow a "misting schedule" ever. If it's looking dry then mist it. PE tends to require more moisture than other varities but you can still over do it.

Ignore them for a few days and watch how well they'll look after themselves.

I've also noticed that PE like a lil more fae. So if the poly in the tub holes is tight, you may want to consider loosening it some.


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: LotKid]
    #25568188 - 10/26/18 01:22 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I loosened up the FAE holes a bit as recommended.

I haven’t touched it in about 24 hours and the surface looks dry as hell. I guess if the substrate was dialed in it would make sense too not touch them for a couple days. But idk this looks dry too me so im going too mist it.


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25568469 - 10/26/18 07:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah good call. Mist when not glistening until glistening. Pe especially are thirsty AF. Once your surface dries out it seems you gotta mist it at least once a day.


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: Mad Season]
    #25569158 - 10/26/18 12:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: i'd mist that fo sho. looks dry and a little matted (probably from drying out).

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: Mad Season]
    #25569770 - 10/26/18 05:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks been following that! Once it stops shining I mist it.

Not too much of a heavy pin set but ther slowly coming in, I’m really happy with how it’s turning out hopefully more pins come soon nothings growing in the middle

I want too thank everyone for the helping me on my first grow so far!

Here’s an update of my pinset so far:

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25569958 - 10/26/18 06:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

yeah mine took around a month too lol seems to be the average for MS, I wonder how long the time gets reduced for monocultures


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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: chaosshadow]
    #25571419 - 10/27/18 12:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

that would depend entirely on the monoculture

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #25573034 - 10/28/18 12:50 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Is it normal too have this few pins from a multispore syring?

How would I go about getting more pins?

Also I just got some agar from shroomsupply and I injected the multispore syringe into the agar 3 days ago all 4 agars have no signs of life or anything. Is this normal?

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Re: PE NOT PINNING [Re: themushroomdon]
    #25573511 - 10/28/18 09:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

there is no normal when it comes to ms. well, that may be slightly untrue. it's normal for ms to behave like a hodge podge of random genetics because it is. it may be amazing or may suck. but my ms PE "normally" does a lot better than that.

all you can do (with ms) is try your best for clean inoculum, clean spawn and optimum conditions. I'd guess you let your surface get too dry prior to pinning which caused it to mat. matted surfaces are not optimum for pinning. PE can be strange on the first flush and still give you a good second though.

don't worry about not seeing growth in a few days. spores on agar can take a little time. to get better yields, wait for growth on your plates and make a transfer or two from the fastest, healthiest looking and most organized myc. continue with transferring in this way to new plates until it looks super organized and free from contams. use this agar to noc up spawn and grow a tub or two. you'll then clone the best fruits from the tubs by taking  piece of inner stipe tissue to agar. you then have to transfer these until clean and grow out a few clones. make sure to keep the genetics of each clone on agar so that you can grow the best one out again (and again and again...) once you've found the keeper. chances are, out of three or four clones you'll find something pretty descent. always keep genetics backed up on agar until you know what they are made of. if all your clones turn out to be shit, you go back to your clean ms on agar and do another clone hunting grow.

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