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pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans
    #2553921 - 04/13/04 12:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

which is more potant some say ps.cyans are but i cant find any good info on potancy of pan. trops or cyans


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: onetime]
    #2555199 - 04/13/04 04:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

P. cyanescens are pretty much cream of the crop when it comes to potency. 2 grams with mess you up right good!


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: djd586]
    #2555661 - 04/13/04 06:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

but 2 grams of pans will fuck you up like 7 grams of cubes so are ps.cyanescens better than that ??


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: onetime]
    #2557467 - 04/14/04 01:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

2 grams of P. cyan is like taking around 3.5 grams P. cube. If you want a level 5 trip with P. cyan you need to consume like 3.5 to 4 grams.


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: djd586]
    #2557663 - 04/14/04 03:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

im talking about pan.cyans not ps.cyans so your saying that ps.cyans are better than pan.cyans


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: onetime]
    #2559081 - 04/14/04 01:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

try doing a search eh :tongue:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum1&Number=1295636

having tried both, I can say that they're both very good, which is better seems to be personal preference.  I like the psilo cyans myself, but others like the pans more.  Both seem to vary enough that some pans may be more potent than some psilo cyans and vice versa.  Personally I think the psilo cyans are generally less variable and more likely to be higher potency in most cases.  They both beat the hell outta cubies though, I know I'll never go back to eating those big, nasty things :wink: .  1g (dry) of either is plenty for a decent trip, 2g is a pretty hefty dose.  I've never gone above 2.5g and don't really have any urge to, YMMV.

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    #2570454 - 04/17/04 09:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If your saying that i doubt you have tried them both! Pans do not even compare to woodlovers in potency - if you look at a specimen by specimen analysis - the maxima of pans is about a third of Ps.cyanescens/arcana/azurescens/subaeruginosa
Ps.cyanescens is one of the most potent mushrooms in the world - one gram dried of ps.cyanescens/subaeruginosa will send you into hyperspace - it is easily twice as potent as panaeolus cyanescens - the only difference being that pans dry so small that you get heaps of dried mushrooms to make a dried gram (the stems are like human hair).
To put it in greater perspective:
six dried Ps.cyanescens = level 3-5
six dried panaeolus cyanescens = level 1-3
six dried cubensis = level 0-1


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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2580406 - 04/20/04 12:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hrmm, I don't know what to make of that...

if you don't believe me, that's fine I guess, I really have nothing to prove to anyone. but the samples were as I say they were and were weighed and not eyeballed, the pans were grown indoors and the psilocybe cyans were picked by me. I have doubts the pans I had were only half the potency of the better cyans I've sampled, as you're saying...

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Re: pan. trops/cyans or ps.cyans [Re: spores]
    #2581906 - 04/20/04 11:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

PSilocybe cyanescens are the most potent of the species, followed probably by P. subaeruginosa.

The pan cyans can also be potent at one dried gram buit not as potent as P. cyanescens.

SOme Pan cyans by druied weight are as potrent as a simi;lar weight of liberty caps. However, some Psilocybe cyanescens have been know to (with pinners) get five to 8 people or more off on a dried gram.

It is confusing, yes since each person prefers his pown particular p favorate species which he/she has first colelcted form the wild or form indoors.
I do not agree with the P. arcana and right now that species is in confusion since Gartz now writes that it is a non-existant species related to P. bohemica. I disagree with him on that.

Time will tell. I am sorry I cannot print the letter from Gartz as it has some negative comments about a colleague of mine whim is a good friend.

anyway, Psilocybe cyanescens are a lot more potent than the panaeolus (cope) cyanescens mushrooms.

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