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Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? * 4
    #25539177 - 10/15/18 11:24 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Curious about what the general consensus is on this. As someone said to me recently:

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it mostly just seems strange to have the + without the -.  It's like having the rating system but only allow people to leave 5 shrooms.



Could it help to limit trolling, even if but a little?
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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #25539586 - 10/15/18 02:36 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Society should not be filled with apathetic bystanders. The -1 belongs with the +1

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #25541872 - 10/16/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:

Could it help to limit trolling, even if but a little?




The addition of the +1 created a huge decrease in the frequency of people quoting a big long post just to add “This” or “:thumbup:”.  It created a way to show concurrence without making an extra post in the thread to express it.  I don’t see why a -1 button wouldn’t work similarly (but probably to a lesser extent).

I think it’s been brought up before though, and if I’m remembering right, the admin response was that it would create an opportunity for trolling.  Folks going through and down voting every post made by someone they dislike, that kind of thing.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #25541884 - 10/16/18 12:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I think it’s a good idea, so that means no one will like it and you should delete this thread and not post anything else for the rest of the day


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
    #25542188 - 10/16/18 02:09 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:

Could it help to limit trolling, even if but a little?




The addition of the +1 created a huge decrease in the frequency of people quoting a big long post just to add “This” or “:thumbup:”.  It created a way to show concurrence without making an extra post in the thread to express it.  I don’t see why a -1 button wouldn’t work similarly (but probably to a lesser extent).

I think it’s been brought up before though, and if I’m remembering right, the admin response was that it would create an opportunity for trolling.  Folks going through and down voting every post made by someone they dislike, that kind of thing.





If the +/- is anonymous the trolls don't get the satisfaction that the person they are trying to troll knows who they are which ruins half the fun for most of them and if the +/- is only an indicator of the social aspect of things, i.e. it doesn't actually DO anything technical like move threads to the top or down based on votes, than it doesn't really matter.  If someone's thread is getting downvoted its for a reason, either the thread legitimately sucks, or the social aspect is carrying over because the person legitimately sucks.  There will of course always be people who get down voted by assholes, but that's not really any different than getting a bad rating because an asshole dislikes you, or calls you an idiot in a thread you make.

I think it could be really useful for the cult forums as those are heavily moderated and watched, and on the social side it feels to me like it would help cut down on most response based drama/trolling as long as the downvote/upvote doesn't have any technical implications on the back end that can be gamed.


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25542524 - 10/16/18 04:09 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I agree.  Was just mentioning what was said when this was previously brought up.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
    #25543534 - 10/17/18 01:02 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

If the admins are unsure they could just test it as an option in your settings. If they think it's troll-worthy, yet so many think it might be fine, then I can't see much harm coming from people willingly braving this treacherously mild form of apathetic disagreement.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #25545645 - 10/17/18 08:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Neck and neck, and lots of good arguments for, but no one has spoken against with any logic or reason.

Is this simply due to the fact that we so often fear change as humans?


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25546077 - 10/18/18 01:01 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

There is so much negativity runn9ing rife in the world today, must we add a function that makes it easy for people to be unkind in a click of a button in virtual anonymity?


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #25546318 - 10/18/18 05:37 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

As far as the cultivation forums go it's more kind because it will help new growers navigate better.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #25546444 - 10/18/18 07:17 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
There is so much negativity runn9ing rife in the world today, must we add a function that makes it easy for people to be unkind in a click of a button in virtual anonymity?




I get what you’re saying, it’s a valid point.  But I also wonder if it might decrease negativity if people could just downvote and move on, rather than starting a verbal disagreement/argument when they see something they don’t like.  Similar to how the +1 stopped unnecessary posts of agreement (quoting the post they agree with to say “yes”, that kind of thing).  Obviously there’ll still be arguments, but maybe not as many.  But we don’t live in an ideal world where people wouldn’t use a -1 function outside of its intended use, so I understand your concern.

Remember when the shroomery operated on a point based system, where you’d accrue points for various things that could be cashed in for rewards?  It didn’t end up working out so well, but it was good to try it out so we’d know whether it worked or not.  And when that feature was done away with, we were just back to where we’d been before it, not worse off.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Asante]
    #25546456 - 10/18/18 07:23 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Burke Dennings said:
I also wonder if it might decrease negativity if people could just downvote and move on, rather than starting a verbal disagreement/argument when they see something they don’t like.



That's my thinking also.

Just like the Blue + Red pills in your sig Asante, it makes no sense to have one without the other.


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25546713 - 10/18/18 09:19 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I made a thread about this 3 years and 11 months ago

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20762592/page/17

I liked my idea then, and I like it now...


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Asante]
    #25546875 - 10/18/18 10:10 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You cannot have yin without the yang.


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25547681 - 10/18/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

ESO forums used to have an "LOL" button for when people made a funny post
it ended up being used by the broader community to ridicule people's ideas -- someone writes pages of suggestions and gets flooded with LOL's as a result
the turning point seemed to be when unappreciated changes were announced for the game, the staff member who posted would get flooded with LOLs

they eventually removed the LOL button all together, leaving three buttons titled Awesome, Agree, and Insightful
there is no longer a way to mark a post as having been funny
there is no longer an informal way to mark as post as having been 'bad'

at the time, it was my position on the forums that if there was no way to dislike a post there should only be a +1 button rather than three +1 buttons
of late, Insightful is progressively being used to ridicule ideas; the removal of the 'dislike' feature simply changed what was recognized as the dislike feature
am fond of the balance Shroomery's system strikes

am sort of with Asante on this
do recognize how it could be productive, and how it has been used effectively in places like Reddit
but it is not really conducive to discussion, and can make contributions feel meaningless

that said, am also in favour of there not being a +1 system,
so my more general position skews away from there being a +/- system

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #25547696 - 10/18/18 03:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

This is probably an unpopular idea but for cultivation forums I could see getting rid of the +1 and implementing only a -1 being a great change.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25547711 - 10/18/18 03:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I could see getting rid of the +1 and implementing only a -1 being a great change.



That seems barmy to me.


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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25547716 - 10/18/18 03:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe for the pub but for cultivation some way to curate what info is crap to avoid is pretty much the only thing we need. Our no.1 problem in cultivation is people picking crap methods because they've been guilded with science words or ridiculous claims.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #25547721 - 10/18/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to have to -1 this whole idea fellas.

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Re: Should the forum have a Downvote (-1) button? [Re: mycosis]
    #25548081 - 10/18/18 05:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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mycosis said:
I'm going to have to -1 this whole idea fellas.



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