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Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ?
    #25534579 - 10/13/18 03:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I want to store dehydrated mushrooms in mason jars with desiccant - probably my rechargeable silica beads.
  • 1. How much desiccant should I use per dried gram of mushrooms?
  • 2. What pouches/baggies might I use that will protect the mushrooms from silica bouncing 'round the jar, but also allow the desiccant to do its work?
Thanks!

(I've read a lot here for and against using desiccants, and which ones to use; but I haven't been able to form a sense of best practice on the desiccant-to-mushroom ratio.)


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25534715 - 10/13/18 04:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Would silica-filled bags like these, made of organza, be safe in contact with dried mushrooms?

Organza is a silk-based fabric.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25534842 - 10/13/18 05:49 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Mason jars are air tight no need for desiccant.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25536686 - 10/14/18 02:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Appreciate the reply, Bodhisatta!

Hmm . . . So the last step in my process

drying rack > dehydrator > jar with desiccant


is unnecessary?

Maybe I'm being unduly cautious, but I live in a really humid area; so I'm hesitant . . . During the initial jarring, won't I be sealing in a little humidity just from the ambient air? And opening and closing jars introduces more?

Thanks!


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25538433 - 10/15/18 05:09 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Just use one of them silicone packs that come in beef jerky in a jar with a tight lid


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: XnMe]
    #25538687 - 10/15/18 09:46 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, XnMe.

I'm assuming a pint jar will require a different amount of desiccant than quart or half-gallon jars, right? I'm hoping to hear how to determine those amounts.

Or doesn't it work like that?


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25538719 - 10/15/18 10:05 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It definitely works like that. I think if you have sufficient dehydration by the time you put the shrooms in the jar you will need very little desiccant.

I keep mine in a gallon zip lock bag with one of the packets below. I put them in there cracker dry, they come out cracker dry, the desiccant is just for good measure. I open and close the bag regularly as you might imagine. I've never had an issue.

https://www.amazon.com/Silica-Gel-Desiccants-2-1-Inches/dp/B003DKQB02/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1539612241&sr=8-4&keywords=desiccant+bag&dpID=51X6pjAYxpL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: christopera]
    #25538763 - 10/15/18 10:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, christopera. That helps!

Your packets are 10g each. (Others are available in 3g, 5g, .5g, etc.). So it sounds like 10g/gallon of dried mushrooms works. And I can work with that.

Do you recharge them in the oven? If so, curious: At what temp? And for how long?

Interested to hear any other experience, too . . .


Edited by Groovy Hobbit (10/15/18 10:54 AM)


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25538806 - 10/15/18 10:56 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I toss mine. It just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.

I dry mine with an incandescent light bulb in a foil lined cardboard box (aka EZ Bake Oven Tek) then stick them in the bag with the desiccant. I seriously doubt that the desiccant is doing much more than removing the humidity that is introduced into the bag when I open it. I have shrooms that are many months old and are doing just fine. So the shelf life is pretty long for that packet, many months, potentially years under the right conditions.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: christopera]
    #25538923 - 10/15/18 11:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Right on. Thanks again for the metrics, christopera. Even if these figures are overkill, they give me a good idea of where to start.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25546174 - 10/18/18 05:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Just make sure it's food safe, had a dude make his own packet, and after the desicant sucked up enough moisture the mush stared sucking the moisture off that and ruined a good bit, make sure food safe for everyones safety.
And just a idea but wouldnt a dehydrator be a good way to "recharge" them.. haven't tried it, sounds logical enough tho??


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: XnMe]
    #25548967 - 10/19/18 02:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, XnMe. I've heard of that happening. Ugh!

Definitely prioritizing food safe. I'm not sure indicator beads are truly food safe, so skipping the dyes. Those blue desiccant indicator beads are cobalt chloride, which is toxic. The orange indicator beads are, I hear, more of a standard in Europe. They're methyl/crystal violet, which is safer, but also an ecologically toxic dye - bad for aquatic life, for starters.

So I'll judge when the packets need recharging by weight. Silica gel beads supposedly hold 40% of their dry weight in moisture, so when what was a 1 gram packet dry weighs 1.4 grams, it needs recharging.

You're right, great idea: Recharge desiccant in a dehydrator. Esp. mine: The packets are Tyvek, which melts around 250ºF, I think. But I can dial in a temp on my dehydrator.

Appreciate the thoughts.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25549285 - 10/19/18 08:30 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

If your worried about food safety why not skip desiccant entirely and just store them appropriately. Adding desiccant to jar just makes the jar more prone to absorbing moisture because you're putting something very hygroscopic in it.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25550183 - 10/19/18 02:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, bodhisatta.

If using no desiccant is standard practice, and works for cracker dried mushroom, I will do that.

I was under the impression that desiccant is good to make up for the moisture in the air that's sealed in the jar, and that moisture that enters whenever the jar is opened. I live in a quite humid place, so it could be an issue. But if it's not necessary, yeah, I'd like to know!


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25551060 - 10/19/18 08:38 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think there is a standard practice for this. Have you had any problems with your shrooms not being dry enough? If not you don't need a desiccant bag. If you have a problem with that use a desiccant bag, if one is not enough use two.

Silica can absorb about 30% of its own weight. So 10 grams of silica can absorb 3 grams of water from the air. There are some ways to calculate exactly how much silica one need (museums do this for their sensitive exhibits), but it is overly complicated.

Personally, I always use a desiccant bag in my shroom storage jar. I live in a super humid environment, I can never get them to be cracker dry without using heat (I don't want to use heat). So I pop a desiccant bag into my jar and sometimes I change it. Works great for me. I also store them in the freezer, works great for me and they are bone dry.

Before I moved here I never used it, because i didn't need it.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: DrFungi]
    #25552815 - 10/20/18 04:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, DrFungi. No probs with molding mushrooms, but I've so far used desiccant. I can try it without, though . . .

I air dry for a while, and then run the dehumidifier low just before jarring them. Maybe I'll try your protocol: skip the heat and use desiccant. Do you think that's better for potency? Zat why you don't use heat?

Appreciate the response.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25553012 - 10/20/18 05:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I avoid the heat because I think that it destroys potency. I'm not sure I'm right it is just something I think I have noticed over the years.


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: DrFungi]
    #25570431 - 10/27/18 01:00 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Dehydrator is fine unless it's crazy high but most arnt


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: XnMe]
    #25570793 - 10/27/18 09:09 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I can dial mine between 95º F and 160º F. I keep it on the low end.

Thanks, XnMe . . .


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Re: Ratio of desiccant to dehydrated mushroom = ? [Re: Groovy Hobbit]
    #25570796 - 10/27/18 09:09 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

You want you dehydrator on the highest setting to lock in potency. Above 160 if it does it.


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