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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550173 - 02/10/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Before Jesus, some Philosophers were sure(in their own minds) that atoms existed. Just had to toss that in.




Exactly... But they had no way to prove it.

Also many many years before Jesus they thought everything was made from earth, water, and fire....That was common knowledge of the time. But we have obviously learned since then that this wasn't true. I can't remember which one but one of the most famous philosophers of the time tried to prove this wrong and was laughed out.

What we "know" now could possibly only be an illusion of something far deeper than what can be percieved now.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550176 - 02/10/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The atoms in modern physics were named after the "atoms" of the Greek philosophers, but they aren't really the same thing. The Greeks defined atoms as the smallest possible element of matter, but now we know there are protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, etc. that make up the atom.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550197 - 02/10/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered.




Bullshit.

If this is true then why do they continue to do new studies to explain new phenomena?


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: supercollider]
    #6550201 - 02/10/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

True. But they were on to something, Mr. technical. :tongue:
Seriously though, good post. :thumbup:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Redstorm]
    #6550324 - 02/10/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Science thinks the only things that exist are the things they have discovered.




Bullshit.

If this is true then why do they continue to do new studies to explain new phenomena?




I was generalizing. Evidentally I shouldn't do it.

In what was more or less a refrence to any science in the past that was known as common knowledge and has been disproven after many many people got slammed for their finding... But an example of a current situation.

Example the medical industry. Look at the cancer industry in America. Chemo therapy is being pushed by many many doctors as the "only" way to fight cancer. It also happens to be that the cancer industry is 80% profit AND the largest profiting industry in medical history. There have been many many many people that have figured out breakthroughs in science that are non drug/non surgery/non expensive procedure that have a far greater success rate without the negative side effects. One of these examples is a multi-wave obscillator. Ever heard of this... Probably not. This device could ruin the mutli-billion dollar cancer industry. I don't want to change the subject to this controversial medical debate... But my point is.... Sometimes what come out as science isn't science at all. It's to protect the interest of whoever is fundning the research. Remember in the 50's how Big Tobacco had the bests scientists "proving" that their cigarettes didn't call cancer. Now EVERYONE knows they do cas cancer.

To say that all science is like this would be a lie. But it would also be a lie to say that there isn't a lot of bad science out there being passed along as fact. Hell take a look at the people trying to prove global warming doesn't exist. Once again, I don't want to debate global warming BUT I bet a lot of people saying it doesn't exist have major financial ties to the oil industry.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550349 - 02/10/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Chemo therapy is being pushed by many many doctors as the "only" way to fight cancer. It also happens to be that the cancer industry is 80% profit AND the largest profiting industry in medical history. There have been many many many people that have figured out breakthroughs in science that are non drug/non surgery/non expensive procedure that have a far greater success rate without the negative side effects. One of these examples is a multi-wave obscillator.




Can you back these claims up?? Not saying that you are lying, but those are BOLD claims. Got anything for me to read on the subject?? Or a peer reviewed paper?


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550446 - 02/10/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I will give you some names do some research on.

The multi-wave oscillator was first invented by Georges Lakhovsky, a russian scientist, published in a french book in the late 1920's call The Secret Life. It is now it all major languages. It got no attention because it was released in WWII. With theory was that all living cells, plants, people, bacteria, everything... possess attributes which normally are associated with electronic or electric circuits. There are three types of electrical attributes. these are restitance, capacitance, and inductance. Configured properly will cause the recurrent generation of a sine wave exhibiting an effect of physics knows as resonance. Resonance can be described as a frequency, an oscillation, and eletromagnetic imprint, or energy. He also discovered that these oscillations occur at very high frequencies. He also concluded that cells not only produce energy but can recieve it. In addition that each cell has a frequency that can make the cell stronger or kill it. He also concluded that cancerous cell or any other type of non-healthy-human cells all have difference frequencies for which they are killed. So his theory concluded that sending engergy at the right frequency would kill the cancer cells without damaging any other cells.

His orginal study was done with plants, geraniums. He inoculated these plants with a "tumor-poducing plant cancer". I don't know the name of but it doesnt matter. After 30 days all plants inoculated has tumors growing from them. He used his process of oscillations on half of his plants. In all cases of the plants the tumors fell off and the tree grew out to be perfectly healthy. Where as the control trees that didnt have oscillations died. But this has later been proved to work the same with people and animals.

BTW all these things discovered 80 some years collate with Samuel Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy, and Dr. Royal Rife. This is all very true and wouldn't say it I didn't know it was. But this one guy didn't discover it. Over the course of time other scientists discovered the very same thing but in entirely different circumstances. It is very true and very real. But AMA certified MDs have not been trained in this area...So any american doctor that doesn't know about will be quick to say it won't work and that chemo (because thats how they make a living...support their family) is the option the should go with. Capitalism doesn't always serve the best interests of the people.

There are many many many more discoveries like this that have been hidden from the general public, and I only speak for America, because of FTC and FDA censorship. If you notice that every single tv station (and I speak for america) is controlled by a board of directors and have shareholders. Also the biggest advertisers in the media are junk food and drug companies... Isn't a little too convenient that we have a Food and Drug administration.... Why do the need to be together... It makes no sense.


But a new york times best seller would be Natural Cure: The things the don't want you to know about. written kevin trudeau. Now I am relectant to say this book because there has been so much controversy and credibility of him. But in his second book More Natural Cures Revealed he goes in great depth to all the media claims. And it all boils down to his book will reduce the profits of junk food and drugs, which the FDA controls both. But within this book he gives hundres of referenences to other books to back up all of his claims. I have done a lot of research and reading and found him to be 100% truthfull. I am dealing all the time with the medical indsutry and he called out everything that would happen in his book.

Example... I have seen about 10 specialists for various things neurological damage/inner ear/and other serious things. Everyone single one of them told "this is how it and there is no other way". When is the last time you heard a doctor say...based on my experience and limited knowledge and training I believe you have this....But I could be wrong." NEVER EVER...NOT ONCE have I heard a doctor say anything close to that. But yet every doctors office is called a practice...Tha's all they do is practice...They don't help people get better...Once again...I am generalizing. All doctors aren't like this. But I can say that in my experience with dealing with them and talking to A LOT of people...

90% of doctors are 100% full of shit.

If you want more proof I got the books to back it all up.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550460 - 02/10/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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kevin trudeau




I will consider some of the things you have said, but that guy is the biggest scam artist of all time. I saw a documentary on him, he is a scum bag liar through and through. And some of his "natural cures" are downright dangerous.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550476 - 02/10/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly why I was reluctant to say his name...What is so dangerous? He didn't come up with any of this. He strictly sites other sources. He clearly says don't listen to him...go to a licensed health care person that specializes in non drug/non surgeory.


But I didn't get most of what I said from him. I got it from other sources. I don't like the way the guy writes or how he goes about to get people to believe his argument. I don't trust the things he has said.... So after reading his books I did and I am still doing thorough research and found everything he said to be true.

I don't like his books and I think he bitches about the FDA way too much... I haven't found in one case where he has not spoke the truth.


EDIT: Who paid for the documentary. It's kinda like listening to the government when they say weed should be illegal. Was the documentary the truth? We don't know. But I would assume not. I would like to see that documentary BTW...Did you see it on TV or the net.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6550519 - 02/10/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yezz :bump:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550542 - 02/10/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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EDIT: Who paid for the documentary. It's kinda like listening to the government when they say weed should be illegal. Was the documentary the truth? We don't know. But I would assume not. I would like to see that documentary BTW...Did you see it on TV or the net.





The CBC. Here in Canada, and around the world, they are highly respected for their journalistic excellence. Unless of course you are a huge fan of FoxNews :smirk: Which I assume you are not.

For shits and giggles... Watch  Sticks and Stones. Its got some great shit about Bill O Retard, and Ann Coulter. She actually tries to argue that Canada went to Vietnam! hahahahahah :lol:  I guess she didn't realize thats where most of the draft dodgers ran :lol: (dumb whore):lol:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550568 - 02/10/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I am definatly not a fan of Fox News... :lol:


I am really not trying to debate anyone by what I have said. I was just really defendin my statement about how science is't always science.

Nor am I defending Kevin Trudeau. I like to see all angles and make my own judgements. However it is my own judgement that the people running the medical field is nothing more than capalistis pigs. Companies that claim to be in the interests of people SHOULD not be publicly traded comapanies....They don't mix. They try to help people that are sick but at the same time they are trying to make their selves and stockholder's money. That in itself is enough to persuade me that most of modern western medicine is bullshit...


But this all is completely irrelevant to ESP....which I think is very real cool shit.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: daytripper05]
    #6550583 - 02/10/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Ya we did sort of knock this train off the tracks didn't we :wink: :lol:
Oh well. Interesting stuff.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550890 - 02/10/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

no, cause thats how i roll


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: dickpayne00]
    #6550952 - 02/10/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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no, cause thats how i roll



Be a little more specific?? (huh?)


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6550985 - 02/10/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #6551003 - 02/10/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Princeton ESP lab closes its doors




Nice article man :thumbup:


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #6551011 - 02/10/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

yes sir...thanks for the link.

taking what I said to a factual level


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Rahie]
    #25532025 - 10/12/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Because I've witnessed it. Although to be fair, I'm from a military city where an awful lot of spooky ESP and genetic experiments have been going on for decades. One of the first cities to have a giant NSA facility and a city where around 32 nazi scientists were brought over to continue their fucked up research during operation paperclip. This city was also mentioned by Max Spiers and James Casbolt to be a hotspot of genetic experimentation and the super soldier program. We have over 500 cave systems here and only part of it is accessible to the public. The Army Corps of Engineers has been exploring and altering them for decades now. Bases and sensors all under the city.

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/greg-mallozzi%E2%80%99s-new-film-about-andrija-puharich-370.4069/

Around 75% of law enforcement here is ex military, so they often turn a blind eye to people using psychedelics like weed and mushrooms. I know several people who have protective detail given by DoD because of their abilities. The police are given a strange "Do not detain" order for certain people. All of these people(that I know) have used mushrooms and various other drugs.

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Greg Mallozzi: We have footage of this, I mean, he was there, with a rather small team, I think a guy with a video camera and maybe two other people, a translator, and you know, it’s just incredible, just to think about in the early 50s, here is this guy, romping through the jungle finding these mushrooms. What he did was, he would bring them back to his laboratory in Maine, the Round Table Foundation and he would do all sorts of ESP experiments. So, he would test somebody when they were not on mushrooms, and then he would test somebody when they were dosed on mushrooms, and like you said, his theory was that, when you’re on these things it enhances your ability, it enhances your extrasensory perception ability.




Of course it enhances it, that's why it was used by hunter-gatherer peoples during hunting and foraging. Your sense that danger is near, your ability to locate things you need, all parts of the brain are extra active after ingesting the mushrooms.


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Re: Do you believe in ESP (extra sensory perception) or Telepathy? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25532153 - 10/12/18 12:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Necroplis strikes again!

:wizard::zombie5::zombie::zombie3::zombie2::zombie5:


12 year old thread, make a new one about ESP if you wanna get the conversation rolling.


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