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THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains
    #25531910 - 10/12/18 10:18 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.labmanager.com/news/2018/10/thc-amounts-identical-in-most-cannabis-strains


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A rose by any other name is still a rose. The same, it turns out, can be said for cannabis.

Newly published research from UBC's Okanagan campus has determined that many strains of cannabis have virtually identical levels of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD), despite their unique street names.

"It is estimated that there are several hundred or perhaps thousands of strains of cannabis currently being cultivated," says professor Susan Murch, who teaches chemistry at UBC Okanagan. "We wanted to know how different they truly are, given the variety of unique and exotic names."

Cannabis breeders have historically selected strains to produce THC, CBD, or both, she explains. But the growers have had limited access to different types of plants and there are few records of the parentage of different strains.

"People have had informal breeding programs for a long time," Murch says. "In a structured program we would keep track of the lineage, such as where the parent plants came from and their characteristics. With unstructured breeding, which is the current norm, particular plants were picked for some characteristic and then given a new name."

Until now, the chemical breakdown of many strains has been unknown because of informal breeding.

Elizabeth Mudge, a doctoral student working with Murch and Paula Brown, Canada Research Chair in Phytoanalytics at the British Columbia Institute of Technology, examined the cannabinoid—a class of chemical compounds that include THC and CBD—profiles of 33 strains of cannabis from five licensed producers.

The research shows that most strains, regardless of their origin or name, had the same amount of THC and CBD. They further discovered that breeding highly potent strains of cannabis impacts the genetic diversity within the crop, but not THC or CBD levels.

However, Mudge says that they found differences in a number of previously unknown cannabinoids—and these newly discovered compounds, present in low quantities, could be related to pharmacological effects and serve as a source of new medicines.

"A high abundance compound in a plant, such as THC or CBD, isn't necessarily responsible for the unique medicinal effects of certain strains," says Mudge. "Understanding the presence of the low abundance cannabinoids could provide valuable information to the medical cannabis community."

Currently licensed producers are only required to report THC and CBD values. But Murch says her new research highlights that the important distinguishing chemicals in cannabis strains are not necessarily being analyzed and may not be fully identified.

Murch says while patients are using medical cannabis for a variety of reasons, they actually have very little information on how to base their product choice. This research is a first step toward establishing an alternative approach to classifying medical cannabis and providing consumers with better information.

Murch's research was recently published in Nature's Scientific Reports.




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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
    #25531970 - 10/12/18 10:41 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I've been saying this for years now. There's too much commercialism. Too many goofy gimmicky strain names and not enough access to the genetic information for breeders and growers. I tried googling for places in legal states to get clones or seeds, and I had to sift through hundreds of ads for places that exclusively sold edibles or smokable and edible products but no seeds or clones. So I gave up.

Might as well stick with the old companies. Great article. It would be nice if the article gave the numbers and compound names though.

To me it's almost a disaster that they legalized it under certain conditions on a state level, because it became an overly commercialized industry. If they'd just federally legalize it, no restrictions on the cultivation or consumption for adults, we'd speed up the research on it. We'd be able to know damn near everything about it in a much shorter period of time.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
    #25531999 - 10/12/18 11:00 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Whatabout terpine profiles though


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
    #25532070 - 10/12/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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It would be nice if the article gave the numbers and compound names though.




The article links to the paper with that info.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-31120-2#Sec8


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
    #25532609 - 10/12/18 03:32 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting but not all that surprising to me, I remember reading a long time ago that how the marijuana was grown often effected potency just as much as the strain genetics. Sometimes buying the same strain from one dispensary vs another will land different potency weed. To me strain matters more in the sense of indica vs sativa effects, not necessarily potency.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #25532735 - 10/12/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I call bullshit.

Cannabinoid profiles vary and vary a lot.  They give no evidenc at all.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25532884 - 10/12/18 05:48 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I call bullshit.

Cannabinoid profiles vary and vary a lot.  They give no evidenc at all.




"Murch says while patients are using medical cannabis for a variety of reasons, they actually have very little information on how to base their product choice. This research is a first step toward establishing an alternative approach to classifying medical cannabis and providing consumers with better information."

i bet their angle is to try and refit the whole testing process with their model.

can't really base anything off of 33 strains from 5 vendors, if they are all top self quality of course there will not be much deviancy in potency.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #25532885 - 10/12/18 05:48 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

This seems BS, from the paper they link:



Maybe I am misunderstanding but I believe those graphs show the concentration of different cannabinoids in different strains.

Then here are the results from the tests:

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Two cannabinoids for which standards were obtained, CDBV and CBL, were not detected in any strain. The 11 remaining cannabinoids with available chemical reference standards were identified and quantified. THCA content ranged from 0.76 to 20.71% w/w, with almost a linear increase in content from the lowest to highest strain with an r2 of 0.97, while CBDA content ranged from <MDL to 18.11% w/w, with the highest CBDA strains having the lowest THCA contents (Fig. 1). In THC abundant strains the CBDA levels were less than 0.15%, while in CBD abundant strains the content was greater than 5%. THC, the decarboxylated form of THCA was present in strains from <LOQ up to 2% by weight in some strains, while CBD contents ranged from <MDL to 0.8%. CBD was most prevalent in high CBDA strains. In addition, 7 cannabinoids present at lower levels were quantified using individual calibration standards: THCV, CBG, CBN, CBC, CDBVA, CBGA and Δ8-THC.




Then there's this graph which shows unkown cannabinoids found in high CBD strains:



I didn't read the full article/paper but the data doesn't seem to match the headline's claim :shrug:


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25532935 - 10/12/18 06:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

We know that synergy of cannabinoids and ir ither drugs are very important.  They don't really understand that in modern western pharmacology.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25533085 - 10/12/18 07:32 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25533104 - 10/12/18 07:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.




Names can be useful with hybrids when they are used properly. Makes it easy to know what the parent plants were.

But then you have people straight up renaming strains and making shit up. I knew a guy years ago who was a big hari krishna dude, and he'd grow bud and rename them with weird krishna names to sell to his friends...


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25533418 - 10/12/18 10:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25533441 - 10/12/18 10:57 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Little too much misinformation in this article; more on the writer/interviewer as there are several contradictions between quotes form Susan Murch (chemistry professor at UBC Okanagn) and several statements in the article from the writer. 

"A high abundance compound in a plant, such as THC or CBD, isn't necessarily responsible for the unique medicinal effects of certain strains," says Mudge. "Understanding the presence of the low abundance cannabinoids could provide valuable information to the medical cannabis community."

  CBD for one is referenced several times in this article as at the most part identical in effect.(She even says at oint point she has personally worked with 33 defferent isolated CBD's when there's  literally hundreds of different cannabinoids throughout all the different strains of indica, sativa, and ruderalis that have bred aggressively for decades. The higher content and spectrum of CBD's are in many ways giving opposite effects given from pure THC (in both THC-7 & THC-9. They have a natural balance in many original (old-school strains) where as the more breeding takes place the more unique variety of highs become available.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #25533660 - 10/13/18 02:30 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Terpine profiles (and genetics) are what make cannabis strains unique, not thc content. Some lower thc bud is preferable to high thc bud because of unique terpines or higher levels of more rarer cannabinoids (there are hundreds)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: FractalMind]
    #25533834 - 10/13/18 06:55 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know how much i believe that strains contain 30-almost 40% thc. That is probably marketing. all i can say is good sources seem to have consistent levels of thc, strains may vary but most will be about the same actual potency, thats my experience. Most "good bud" i get i just consider good bud. Not like tier 1, 2, and 3 good bud.

Sure theres variation, and a whole lot of marketing, obv mostly from legal products


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #25533846 - 10/13/18 07:01 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

All flower gets tested before it's sold commercially.


That's where they get their thc % from. 

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Big Worm]
    #25533883 - 10/13/18 07:20 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

^i believe those arent exact numbers. Rather an average, someone was explaining it recently in the dank thread. Apparently even the legal state labels can vary a whole lot in regards to the actual cannabis batch youre getting

But hey, whatever. Also, most of the country is black market, no tags with % written on it. Alot of that stuff is imported tho, just unknown at that point. I bet most dank across the country is about the same level. I travel from one coast to the other fairly often


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25534336 - 10/13/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.



I feel ya on that sorta. Most weed is the same. However, I have street light interference syndrome, and I can say for a fact, certain strains make me affect electronics way more than others. Lights start going on and off around me, computers crash, etc. I don't get that with every strain, and I've put it down to terpenes, which are highly volatile and many are psychoactive.

The curing process partially determines the terpene profile of the herb. That's why it boggles my mind when people have these expensive grow operations but they don't take humidity or temperature into account when curing or growing. The higher the temp when curing, the faster terpenes bleed out and you might as well just smoke dabs in that case if you're screwing up the cure.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
    #25534366 - 10/13/18 11:50 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
    #25534987 - 10/13/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.




I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25535045 - 10/13/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

^yeah I think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25535047 - 10/13/18 05:28 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.




I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.




Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25535083 - 10/13/18 05:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.




I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.




Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally




It still seems weird though as you'd think they would include a total cannabinoids % if they did it that way :strokebeard:


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25535207 - 10/13/18 07:05 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

There's only 6-7 real strains out there...original...like shrooms where did they come from? everything we have today are variety's and hybrids....all based off 6-7 originals.

And having equal levels of THc is complete horseshit :goodluckwiththat2:

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25535353 - 10/13/18 08:27 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Never fully understood it myself how the THC percentages work, definitely seems to make sense of it that way that you're all describing. I feel like there are certainly differences between indoor grown in perfect conditions, versus outdoor in poor conditions (or other lesser quality examples). Perhaps, the researcher should start sampling them herself?

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: FractalMind]
    #25535919 - 10/14/18 04:02 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Terpine profiles (and genetics) are what make cannabis strains unique, not thc content. Some lower thc bud is preferable to high thc bud because of unique terpines or higher levels of more rarer cannabinoids (there are hundreds)



No and yes. THC has very little difference in effect from one strain to another. You will get a greater variance by harvesting trichs anywhere from early clouding (cleanest high and come-down) to full clouding with dark amber(much more heavier less clear thinking high with a frequent chance of groggy come-down to some extent). There are hundreds of different CBD's with many strains containing upwards of 30 unique cannabinoids also unique in content. These dramatically change the high through breeding and/or isolation of CBD's

  Experiment with different cbd's isolated from top shelf strains and you will see not only are they responsible for almost every positive effect from pain relief to zero anxiety.but compared with pure thc they have very opposing effects, preferable imo. Pure THC causes anxiety, usually minor but without lying to myself it does.
  Also as a powerful psychoactive it will increase awareness in everything which when sick, or tired, or you have some anxiety before you even light up; THC exasperates all of these things.
  I do love THC and the benefits certainly outweigh the neg but I much prefer Cubes when I want to get high. All the psychoactive effects, increase energy instead of tired, and less anxiety when doses micto to medium.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: BlueIndian]
    #25535924 - 10/14/18 04:19 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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There's only 6-7 real strains out there...original...like shrooms where did they come from? everything we have today are variety's and hybrids....all based off 6-7 originals.

And having equal levels of THc is complete horseshit :goodluckwiththat2:





Prolly more like 50 imo. You have your blue dreams and your diesels and your widows and northern lights, and a whole shitload of classic strains, og kush, jack herer

i had some real deal MKULTRA strain. While i was in san diego. Also this year when i went to MedMen in LA the first time, even if overpriced, their strains were all real hybrids. They had shit like Trainwreck Cookies (thats what i got) but that was a real strain. They also had a bunch of the regulars, and stuff like Durban Poison. C02 didnt even have a name, they werent making up strains at least

Also i saw no indication of thc level, just all pretty dank. My friend's grows are better but for quickly getting bud this was nice


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25536165 - 10/14/18 08:13 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #25536354 - 10/14/18 09:51 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Well a lot of dispensaries will have a total cannabinoids percent. So it would read like 30% total cannabinoids and 20%THCa, 2% D9THC, etc.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
    #25536358 - 10/14/18 09:52 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Like how a concentrate will be 90% thc. One gram would have 900mg of thc.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
    #25536443 - 10/14/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Right. But when you apply this to a plant, it changes the idea of potency completely. Instead of % thc by weight, which im sure most believe is the case, its "percentage of thc regardless of weight, but rather total cannabinoid content" which is a completely different thing.

Like if one were to try to calculate the amount of thc in bud for edibles, for example. Most would say if its 20% thc, then 1000mg of cannabis bud (1g) should be 200mg. Although, this would be incorrect. If its really just total of cannabinoid content.

Thats why shatter is so much higher in thc %, i guess, simply cause there are 112 others. And bho/c02 extracts tend to focus on just thc/a. And reintroduced terps, which can be bought by the bottle from any strain online now. And just mixed up any way you like


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25537060 - 10/14/18 02:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

There is also some factor that causes some herb to be and remain extremely sticky after curing. Whatever it is about my growing method, every strain I have grown is super sticky even a year later. 90 some% of the stuff in dispensaries looks amazing but has not stickiness to it. This puzzles the fuck out of me! If the THC was the sticky factor, then I wouldn't be able to use a grinder on anything from the dispensaries over a certain THC%. I cannot use a grinder with my own herb or most of what resin ranchers grow, regardless of THC content. It looks more glistening if you know what to look for. It's not larger trichomes. If anything, the herb style I use promotes smaller trichomes but more of them. The sticky factor whatever it is, holds the flavor and the effect of that terpene profile in your lungs and in contact with blood for much longer. Most herb is smoke in smoke out and doesn't taste anything like it smells.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25537480 - 10/14/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Some really potent extracts arent sticky at all either, and some that are less potent get all over your fingers


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25537584 - 10/14/18 06:20 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Some really potent extracts arent sticky at all either, and some that are less potent get all over your fingers




It's not even potency exactly, I love some rock solid shatter but some crumblier/oiler extracts tend to have more terpenes and can be just as potent IME.

Some of the nicest oil I've smoked was an amber Master Kush alcohol oil, was super sticky but incredibly tasty and potent.

Also the consistency is very temperature based, some shatter can stay solid even in fairly warm temps but at a certain point even the hardest shatter will start to get sticky especially when handled :shakefist:


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25537922 - 10/14/18 08:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Shatter? That's sooo 2014...:rolleyes:

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #25538214 - 10/14/18 11:32 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

This study seems to be lacking. They didn't study terpene profiles, and there is a shit load of cannabinoids other than THC and CBD...

THC (tetrahydrocannabinol)
THCA (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid)
CBD (cannabidiol)
CBDA (cannabidiolic acid)
CBN (cannabinol)
CBG (cannabigerol)
CBC (cannabichromene)
CBL (cannabicyclol)
CBV (cannabivarin)
THCV (tetrahydrocannabivarin)
CBDV (cannabidivarin)
CBCV (cannabichromevarin)
CBGV (cannabigerovarin)
CBGM (cannabigerol monomethyl ether)
CBE (cannabielsoin)
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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #25538392 - 10/15/18 02:18 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

^I have some super hard crystal shatter that will NOT melt. And some other crystalish stuff that gets more waxy as it gets hotter. Those are my two "good but nothing crazy" bho strain collections.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25540969 - 10/16/18 01:09 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

This is nonsense


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #25541196 - 10/16/18 06:30 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

But one thing i notice, most of the bud in the US these days generally looks pretty much the same, and tastes pretty similar, and i mean when i smoke weed from a totally new source generally im not at all surprised. And potency in my experience tends to be around the same, at least from actual noticeable effects.

If you go to a different country, even Canada, its different. Smell taste feel. Referring just to dank in all cases.

Cannabis is quite uniform in the states if you ask me. From west coast dispensaries to the east coast black market (assuming you have a good source, which is pretty much a non-issue these days)

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This study seems to be lacking. They didn't study terpene profiles, and there is a shit load of cannabinoids other than THC and CBD...




There are 113 known cannabinoids in the plant, no one knows how most of them work though, usually they just measure THC, THCA, CBD, and CBN. All that is really known is when you smoke flower you get the entourage effect which is all of them working together. Shatter and oil generally are just high in thc

Btw, if thc % means out of the total cannabinoids, its better to have a lower percentage it seems to me, because it means more other cannabinoids, no? It would be different if 25% meant 250mg of 1000mg, but it doesnt seem to mean that


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25541264 - 10/16/18 07:15 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

THC is the only one of the cannabinoids known as a psychedelic with profound mind altering properties.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25541324 - 10/16/18 07:59 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

compare pure thca with flower. Most people will say "theres something missing, but its strong"


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25542142 - 10/16/18 01:53 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.




I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.




Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally




It still seems weird though as you'd think they would include a total cannabinoids % if they did it that way :strokebeard:







I'm pretty certain the percentage is by the weight....As in, 25% THC means that 25% of the total weight of the bud is composed of THC.


Here in California they list both the percentage, as well as the total amount of cannabinoids in milligrams...







Right now I'm looking at a 3.5g jar of weed I bought a few weeks ago....

It shows that it has a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%....And it also shows that the entire contents of the jar contains 764.4mg of THC, and 1.05mg of CBD.


So doing the math.....


3,500mg (total weight of bud) ÷ 764.4mg (total THC) = 4.57   

100 ÷ 4.57 = 21.8 % THC

So 21.8% of the 3.5g of weed is entirely THC...

The remaining 0.93% is CBD and other cannabinoids.



(someone correct me if I'm wrong....I can be a bit of a 'tard when it comes to math lol)








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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: openmind]
    #25543829 - 10/17/18 06:56 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Well in MY dispensary strains vary from ~8% to around 30% THC and the CBD content can be 0% or up to 10-15% or more....


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25543968 - 10/17/18 08:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.




I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.




Yeah i think youre right. Which means most people are very confused about this. Literally whole different definition of what thc % means

People assume 25% means 1/4 of the bud is thc. Literally



It does literally mean that 1/4 of the bud is THC.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25543991 - 10/17/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Im gonna check this out, cause its two wildly different ideas about what cannabis thc potency means.

I dont claim to even know for sure which is correct. For a long time i assumed it was % by weight (25% means 250mg out of 1g), now im not sure


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25544037 - 10/17/18 09:04 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Call any dispensary and ask them. It's pretty easy to figure out. And yes some labs will doctor your results if paid extra. It's a problem that needs to be fixed. Just like the government, the black market will try any way they can to get their piece of the pie.

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    #25544065 - 10/17/18 09:13 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Call any dealer and ask them, i dont see much difference. Alot of dealers i know, esp those in cali, worked for a dispensary at some point. just storefronts for bud. When i went to MedMen the first time they ripped me off price wise more than any dealer. Also the guy miscounted my cash, tried to say i was $10 short. (He counted a 20 as a 10) Like i even expected to pay $190 for 14g of flower

Medmen now moved to 5th avenue too where theyre selling shit at prices, well, fit for 5th fucking avenue. But for the real dank, i think delivery services have them beat. Especially since MM cant sell bud over here, but these delivery services have been around long before me.

I'll mention one that got busted a long time ago already that every rich kid knew. Cartoon Network. That stuff was INSANE but one time i got a jar that had some powder in it on the side. Maybe thc crystals, hopefully not pcp or some shit. Cause i would not be fucking surprised. It was that good. But they were busted like 2005. There are alot of services i trust more. But what bothers me is some sell blow to hs kids, who just steal money from their rich parents. The real "gateway" (not a drug)

But on the flip side ive heard of many such service in legal places too. Like in LA. They pose as legit sources too it seems.

Seems to me only independent test labs (i hope) are impartial. But i only trust the independent labels. When its printed by the dispensary who knows. Anyone can get a bunch of legit looking cali labels from amazon.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420] * 1
    #25544769 - 10/17/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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....I dont claim to even know for sure which is correct. For a long time i assumed it was % by weight (25% means 250mg out of 1g), now im not sure






It is by weight...

I don't know if you saw my post, but I did the math....>>>>>>



Right now I'm looking at a 3.5g jar of weed I bought a few weeks ago....

It shows that it has a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%....And it also shows that the entire contents of the jar contains 764.4mg of THC, and 1.05mg of CBD.


So doing the math.....


3,500mg (total weight of bud) ÷ 764.4mg (total THC) = 4.57   

100 ÷ 4.57 = 21.8 % THC

So 21.8% of the 3.5g of weed is entirely THC...

The remaining 0.93% is CBD and other cannabinoids.






If you have 1 gram of herb that's 25% THC...yes, it contains 250mg of THC.







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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: openmind]
    #25544833 - 10/17/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

By weight seems to make a lot more intuitive sense.

By % percent doesn't offer you much on the absolute dose/amount, which is what you want to know.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
    #25545765 - 10/17/18 09:20 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Unless you can do a quick conversion in your head.

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    #25546176 - 10/18/18 03:38 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, well, good to know definitively


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    #25546182 - 10/18/18 03:42 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Unless you can do a quick conversion in your head.




True. But then you'd need to know the total number of cannabinoids as well and do an extra math step.

I can't readily think of another product, drug, etc. where percent isn't percent of total mass. It just seems odd to me.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
    #25546191 - 10/18/18 03:53 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Well since cannabis is a mixture, not a compound, the rules are a bit diff^


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    #25546261 - 10/18/18 04:54 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Understood. But given its a mixture, that's precisely why you'd like to know the % of the primary psychoactive component by weight.

Perhaps a related example is wine and beer. They're quite complex, but the alcohol content is the % volume/concentration.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: badchad]
    #25546375 - 10/18/18 06:31 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Never been a high thc person myself.  To me it's about the synergy of cannabinoids.  The synergy gives a better experience.

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    #25549373 - 10/19/18 07:16 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You can have high levels of thc and other cannabinoids too, just as long as its flower. When its extract usually mostly thc(a)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420]
    #25549714 - 10/19/18 09:41 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lets be honest... these numbers are being inflated. your not gonna be seeing 30% almost 1/3 of the plant being THC. i never go by percents ever. i dont want to outright say they are faking their numbers, i dont want to outright say some places are faking "pesticide free" either. but your not required to test the entire batch, i have heard some places will have 1 plant they dont use pesticides on and have that one tested but use it on the rest of the crop for instance. i have no hard proof of this, its just what i think

that being said, im a huge bud snob and always want some dank that taste delicious. theres is clear differences in taste, and ive had weed tested at 17%ish get me just as high as something testing close to 30%, theres no real big difference at all if any. this is more evidence that leads me to believe numbers are bull shit.

edit: just thought of a question. say you have an orange or something picked off of the tree, and you test its sugar content and weight. then you take that same orange and dehydrate it. then you test its sugar content and weight. thats the only phenomena that can explain numbers near 30% imo, i mean that almost 50% bud looks pretty fucking lit but id feel like a retard if i was selling that at the farmers market back in the day trying to convince people my shit was testing that high lol. i remember people being called out all the time for even saying they had weed tested in the high 20's. people would tend to call them out but maybe thats just cause they are trying to finesse a better price :shrug:

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
    #25549754 - 10/19/18 09:55 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Not the whole plant. Just the bud. 30% is not outrageous for flower. Yes 3/10ths of the flower is thc.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25549844 - 10/19/18 10:27 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

idk man i think it is, and that doesnt explain why getting something well below 30% thc can be just as good if not better. and ive seen PLENTY of dog shit weed that test in the high 20's.. like really bad

maybe i just dont fully understand but i just call bullshit on some of the numbers i see

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
    #25550064 - 10/19/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.


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The vast majority of THC is found on structural components within the secretory cavity, particularly the wall, fibrous matrix, and surface features of vesicles. This suggests THC may be chemically bound to these structural components rather than being free in the cavity.




That's a rather small part of the plant where most of the THC is found. Like I said, if you don't find 20% of the weight of flowers being removed when trichome heads are removed, there is no way the flowers are 20% THC by weight.

EDIT: To put it in perspective, showing how much more THC you'll find in a small part at the end of the trichome heads compared with the rest of the plant:

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We also separated them as to glands over a vein as contrasted to non-vein areas. Results showed that stalked glands over a vein on the bract contained more THC content, approximately 20 times more, than the sessile glands over a leaf vein. Similarly, stalked glands over a non-vein area contained much more THC than sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area.




They used low THC strains, but it doesn't change the ratio. You're still going to end up with a lot more THC in the glands/end of trichomes compared with the rest of the plant.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
    #25550419 - 10/19/18 01:59 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont want to start an argument or anything, but lets be honest... these numbers are being inflated. your not gonna be seeing 30% almost 1/3 of the plant being THC. i never go by percents ever. i dont want to outright say they are faking their numbers, i dont want to outright say some places are faking "pesticide free" either. but your not required to test the entire batch, i have heard some places will have 1 plant they dont use pesticides on and have that one tested but use it on the rest of the crop for instance. i have no hard proof of this, its just what i think

that being said, im a huge bud snob and always want some dank that taste delicious. theres is clear differences in taste, and ive had weed tested at 17%ish get me just as high as something testing close to 30%, theres no real big difference at all if any. this is more evidence that leads me to believe numbers are bull shit.

edit: just thought of a question. say you have an orange or something picked off of the tree, and you test its sugar content and weight. then you take that same orange and dehydrate it. then you test its sugar content and weight. thats the only phenomena that can explain numbers near 30% imo, i mean that almost 50% bud looks pretty fucking lit but id feel like a retard if i was selling that at the farmers market back in the day trying to convince people my shit was testing that high lol. i remember people being called out all the time for even saying they had weed tested in the high 20's. people would tend to call them out but maybe thats just cause they are trying to finesse a better price :shrug:




What I've heard with pesticide testing at least here in Oregon is that shady people will look up what they test for and just use something else... So they don't even have to bother growing a "pesticide free" plant. It also means they can literally douse their crops in pesticides right before cutting down and they still won't get tested for... Who knows how common it is but sadly I'd wager it is at least more common then people realize. Thankfully testing will be improved over time.

Also I agree with the THC %, at the very least I doubt they are totally accurate. Some places could absolutely be lying/making them up as well, or getting paid to inflate the % for some crops. Wouldn't be surprising at all IMO.

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Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.


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The vast majority of THC is found on structural components within the secretory cavity, particularly the wall, fibrous matrix, and surface features of vesicles. This suggests THC may be chemically bound to these structural components rather than being free in the cavity.




That's a rather small part of the plant where most of the THC is found. Like I said, if you don't find 20% of the weight of flowers being removed when trichome heads are removed, there is no way the flowers are 20% THC by weight.

EDIT: To put it in perspective, showing how much more THC you'll find in a small part at the end of the trichome heads compared with the rest of the plant:

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We also separated them as to glands over a vein as contrasted to non-vein areas. Results showed that stalked glands over a vein on the bract contained more THC content, approximately 20 times more, than the sessile glands over a leaf vein. Similarly, stalked glands over a non-vein area contained much more THC than sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area.




They used low THC strains, but it doesn't change the ratio. You're still going to end up with a lot more THC in the glands/end of trichomes compared with the rest of the plant.

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html




Would be interesting to see this tested with bubble hash or BHO. Like you said you'd be extracting more then just the THC but it could still give a more accurate % for the amount of cannabinoids & terpenes.

To really get the THC % I think you'd need to extract the bud down to pure THC and weigh up the difference. But THC extraction is still a pretty involved process.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25550431 - 10/19/18 02:04 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

That removing the trichromes test wouldn't work at all. The bud needs to be completely dehydrated of all water to get the % yeild test.

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    #25550527 - 10/19/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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That removing the trichromes test wouldn't work at all. The bud needs to be completely dehydrated of all water to get the % yeild test.




Can you dehydrate bud without disturbing the trichomes though? Pretty sure fully dehydrating would impact potency.

Like I said extracting pure THC seems like the only way to get an accurate %, though even then you're not going to get a 100% yield.


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    #25550538 - 10/19/18 02:45 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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....that doesnt explain why getting something well below 30% thc can be just as good if not better.







Because THC is not the only component playing a role in the effects a person experiences. Some herb with a lower THC content can deliver a heavier or richer high/stone than other herb with a higher THC content...There's a whooole lot more at play than just THC percentage.


I too have had herb tested around 18% get me just as high, if not more so, as herb tested at 25%....There's a huge amount of other cannabinoids and terpenes in the mix that play a major role in modulating and influencing the high/effects.


Taking a few dabs of pure THCa doesn't even get me as high as smoking a joint with some good typical west coast herb...even though the dabs of THCa deliver more THC to my brain, it's really lacking and doesn't quite hit the spot or get me as high as weed with a broader spectrum of components.








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Sounds like there may be a simple solution to this. Most trichomes can be mechanically separated from the plants flowers, especially when the plant is cold and the trichomes become brittle. Since THC is sticky/viscous and not the easiest thing to handle, and we know the majority of THC ends up in the end of the trichome heads, try this:

Sift the majority of trichome heads out from a known weight of flowers. Myself and a lot of other people here have microscopes so this shouldn't be difficult.

Once the trichome heads are removed, weigh the flowers that are left over. Account for the small percentage of THC that is still going to be in the trichome stems and other parts of the plants. I seriously doubt you're going to find that any of those strains has anywhere near 20% of the flower weight being trichome heads. And remember, the trichome heads aren't just THC, so if you remove most of them, and it still doesn't add up to 20% of the weight of the flowers, you've found your answer.






When making bubble hash some folks do get a yield of around 20%+ .


And of course it's not 100% efficient, so not all of the trichomes are making it through into the final material so the total weight of trichomes is even a bit more than that.


When the trichomes are removed via making bubble hash, the weight of the hash (removed trichomes) typically makes up 15% to 20% of the total weight of the buds/trim that was used.


So trichomes can indeed make up 20% to 25% of a buds weight.








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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: openmind]
    #25550571 - 10/19/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

And all these % are based on dry weight too not fresh wet green buds. Not cured buds. But dry ones.

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    #25550581 - 10/19/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not

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    #25550604 - 10/19/18 03:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not




Yeah that is why extracting pure THC seems like the best way. Or make Bubble Hash and extract out the plant material, but then you're still weighing more then just THC but it might give you a good idea of the percentage.


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    #25550706 - 10/19/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not






I'm pretty sure most bubble is around 50% THC, give or take a bit...

...Some full melt bubble is likely up around 60% or higher, that stuff melts like oil and burns away cleanly.



One can have a pile of trichomes and virtually no THC though, depends on the strain....

....and I'm really not sure on the #'s in regards to how efficient cold water extractions are....As far as what percent of total trichomes are extracted off the buds.







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    #25550742 - 10/19/18 04:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not






I'm pretty sure most bubble is around 50% THC, give or take a bit...

...Some full melt bubble is likely up around 60% or higher, that stuff melts like oil and burns away cleanly.



One can have a pile of trichomes and virtually no THC though, depends on the strain....

....and I'm really not sure on the #'s in regards to how efficient cold water extractions are....As far as what percent of total trichomes are extracted off the buds.







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right, so if you assume bubble hash is about 50%, what do you think about the bud linked that "tested" almost 50% lol

thats why i dont believe the numbers. maybe i just dont understand what these test numbers are actually claiming..

i have trust issues lol

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
    #25552351 - 10/20/18 11:16 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you make bubble hash and get a 20% yield and your assuming its not 100% efficient so therefore the thc content on plant is higher then 20%... you would then be assuming that your bubble hash is 100% thc which it is not



Bingo, even if the bud (flowers) are completely dry, and you end up with 20% of the weight being trichome heads(mostly the heads, some stems too) you have to account for the fact that it's not 100% THC, and that the end of the trichomes is where most of the THC ends up. That's a very small portion. There is no way you're getting 20% by weight THC. Not going to happen.

There are several members here with access to a Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer to accurately test the percentage of your BHO extract. Then you can determine exactly how much of the weight is THC.

Say you got 20% of the weight or a bit more being trichomes, test it with a GC, and you're going to find only a portion of that is actually THC. In some cases it may be a good portion, but it'll never be close to 100%.  I doubt it'll even reach 50% of the trichomes.

Maybe the noob Organic Chemist has access to a GC? He's an organic chemist.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?User=404037

Apparently he's got DEA license to mess with at least one illegal compound.


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A clear, golden brown cannabis derivative also known as honey oil, shatter, wax and (disgustingly) “earwax,” butane hash oil (BHO) has some distinct advantages over traditional marijuana: It has very little smell, either in its solid form or when vaporized, is very portable, and can achieve intense effects with small amounts. (That's because BHO is also highly concentrated; according to one Oregon-based hash oil producer — a Cannabis Cup award winner who goes by “Ganja Jon” — a pound of marijuana typically generates 1/10 to 1/5 of a pound of hash oil.)



You would think that an oil producer that also won the cannabis cup would know what he's talking about when it comes to percentages....


Let's face it, 1/5 of the flowers being oil, which is also not 100%, is not the same as 20% by weight being THC. And I've been to Oregon, smoked the weed there. It's incredibly strong. But I still doubt any weed in the world is going to be 20 to 40% THC by weight of the dry flowers. Could be wrong though. But with so much conflicting information and so many variables, who knows.

1/4 would be 25% oil, which isn't 100% THC, so.... yeah, doesn't add up.

EDIT: modern oil extraction methods are extremely efficient at removing the vast majority of THC and other cannabinoids, much more efficient than just sifting out trichomes....


In other words, even if a strain is rated at "40% THC" , it would seem the most, by weight, that you could get in terms of oil, is around 1/5. The more weight you use for an extraction the better the yield, also. And that has got nothing to do with the extraction being inefficient. It's simply unlikely that the plant can have 20 to 40% of it's dry flower weight as THC....



I prefer live resin though. Maybe not as "potent" in terms of THC content but I like traditional hash more.


Anyway, look up GW Pharmaceuticals. They've been able to genetically alter and breed cannabis legally for a long time now, long before the US or Canada. Instead of directly modifying the genes with a gene gun and such, they simply did genetic tests, to find out which plants had which genes, and bred accordingly, so they ended up with plants that had so much THC that they had trouble surviving.

THC being super viscous and sticky, the plant's own resin basically stuck to its leaves and the plant ripped itself apart. GW reached the limit in terms of THC potency, long before any pseudo-legal producers in Colorado or elsewhere.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
    #25552560 - 10/20/18 12:40 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to e-mail a few different labs that are licensed by the state government (cali) to see what they have to say about testing, how they go about it, what the #s actually mean, etc...

...because this is something I've always wondered about, long before this thread and long before testing was required by state law.




I do think it's by weight, but some of you do bring up some good points......

The #'s on the herb I get don't seem too far out of line to me though :shrug:....The label shows there's 764.4mg of THC and 1.05mg of CBD in my 3.5g of weed, and shows that there's a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%.

I don't find it hard to believe that a single gram of weed can contain somewhere around 200mg of THC.






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    #25552941 - 10/20/18 03:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm going to e-mail a few different labs that are licensed by the state government (cali) to see what they have to say about testing, how they go about it, what the #s actually mean, etc...

...because this is something I've always wondered about, long before this thread and long before testing was required by state law.




I do think it's by weight, but some of you do bring up some good points......

The #'s on the herb I get don't seem too far out of line to me though :shrug:....The label shows there's 764.4mg of THC and 1.05mg of CBD in my 3.5g of weed, and shows that there's a total cannabinoid content of 22.73%.

I don't find it hard to believe that a single gram of weed can contain somewhere around 200mg of THC.






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22% total seems more believable, that is just slightly over 1/5th of the plant being actives. 30%+ though is getting close to nearly half the plant being cannabinoids which seems impossible. Even 1/3rd seems extreme.

People have hybridized a lot of other plants over the years, but you don't see tobacco that is 20-30% nicotine. That doesn't mean it's impossible but I've never seen any other plants reach 20-30%+ alkaloids/actives by weight.


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    #25552971 - 10/20/18 03:32 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Not the plant just the bud.

And if a bud is 70% water any only 30% plant mass the 20% thc figure is 20% of the 30% dry weigh

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25553003 - 10/20/18 03:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I was talking about the buds, I meant to specify "plant matter".

Anyways moisture brings up another factor though, not all bud is cured the same or equally moist. I saw someone mention they test the % on dried buds, but it still seems like there would be some variation due to the curing process and other factors.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25553697 - 10/20/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

all im saying is im not convinced with the evidence ive seen, and from my own anecdotal experiences.
like ive said ive seen plenty of dog shit weed testing over 20%. if some people arent faking these numbers ill delete my account and kill myself

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    #25553712 - 10/20/18 08:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Is it unfathomable to you that a fresh bud is 75% water even though you don't see any water?

If buds are 75% water and test at over 25% thc that doesn't add up lol. The % thc is always listed as % of dry weight not wet weight or cured weight but dried weight.

I really don't think all the results for decades have been wrong. Yea some buds test results are bullshit but 20-30% thc weed absolutely exists

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    #25553884 - 10/20/18 09:03 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

so if you admit that some bed test results are bullshit, how do you know which ones are legit and which ones arent? how do you know theres bud out there testing at 30% thc when BHO is testing at 60%-90%, assuming those numbers arent bullshit too.. i dont understand how bud can be up to half as pure thc as BHO...

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?

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    #25554305 - 10/21/18 12:23 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?




I assumed by dry they meant like 100% dehydrated, which would make sense to test the total %.

But if that is the case then wouldn't the % be different with regular cured bud which still has some moisture?

Would be nice to have the process explained by someone who knows more :strokebeard:


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
    #25554356 - 10/21/18 01:09 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?




I assumed by dry they meant like 100% dehydrated, which would make sense to test the total %.

But if that is the case then wouldn't the % be different with regular cured bud which still has some moisture?

Would be nice to have the process explained by someone who knows more :strokebeard:




right it would, and i believe they do "test" it fully dehydrated

but what im saying is if a concentrate is testing at 60% theres no way flower is gonna test near 50% even if its dehydrated..


"1 gram of Cannabis flower with a 16.5% THC potency means that 16.5% of the flower’s mass is THC.

16.5% of  1 gram =  .165 of a gram of THC or 165mg"

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http://www.cvdvt.org/not-thc-created-equal/

i refuse to believe any test claiming flower is over 30%
if your using a chemical process like BHO or similar, to extract as much thc as you can and eliminate as much plant matter as you can, and you end up with even 80% bho. theres no way just plain flower can be near 50% i just refuse to believe that it doesnt make any sense. flower doesnt look like extracts lol.

maybe im wrong idk, but i dont think im wrong. and until someone can provide me any evidence i will not change my opinions and will spew my garbage until someone can debunk me.

if you have a gram of weed that test at 30% which would mean 30% of the buds mass is thc. i mean if people want to believe theres no deception at work here then thats up to them lol

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Katz 206]
    #25555094 - 10/21/18 10:18 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you admit that some bed test results are bullshit, how do you know which ones are legit and which ones arent? how do you know theres bud out there testing at 30% thc when BHO is testing at 60%-90%, assuming those numbers arent bullshit too.. i dont understand how bud can be up to half as pure thc as BHO...

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?



lol bodhisatva is the only one talking about fresh vs dry weight. Only amateurs would use weed that isn't dry. When you're making hash, it doesn't matter. When you're making oil with a solvent extraction everyone knows bud that isn't dry decreases your yield. I'm pretty sure a guy who specializes in oils and won a friggin cannabis cup knows that.

BHO isn't 100% THC. Maybe 90% at best. Ganja Jon said 1/5 of the weight of a pound ends up being oil, at best. That means it's basically impossible that flowers can be 20% THC by weight. They're just trying to sell a product. People always bitched and moaned that if they legalized it the corporations would take over and it would be too commercialized. Well that's exactly what happened because it was only legalized on a state level. All these retarded state governments and city governments allowed it to become overly commercialized. No federal oversight means it's going to be an industry full of bullshit and false advertising.

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so if you admit that some bed test results are bullshit, how do you know which ones are legit and which ones arent? how do you know theres bud out there testing at 30% thc when BHO is testing at 60%-90%, assuming those numbers arent bullshit too.. i dont understand how bud can be up to half as pure thc as BHO...

i dont know why everyone keeps bring up dry weight.. like who the fuck was even talking about fresh weed still growing on the plant?



lol bodhisatva is the only one talking about fresh vs dry weight. Only amateurs would use weed that isn't dry. When you're making hash, it doesn't matter. When you're making oil with a solvent extraction everyone knows bud that isn't dry decreases your yield. I'm pretty sure a guy who specializes in oils and won a friggin cannabis cup knows that.

BHO isn't 100% THC. Maybe 90% at best. Ganja Jon said 1/5 of the weight of a pound ends up being oil, at best. That means it's basically impossible that flowers can be 20% THC by weight. They're just trying to sell a product. People always bitched and moaned that if they legalized it the corporations would take over and it would be too commercialized. Well that's exactly what happened because it was only legalized on a state level. All these retarded state governments and city governments allowed it to become overly commercialized. No federal oversight means it's going to be an industry full of bullshit and false advertising.




i completely agree, im just trying to get people to wake up lol.

the whole point of legalization is to commercialize it and max profit. while regulations may help contain some of these inflated numbers, they will surely find a way to continue to mislead people. especially now that so many people have no been convinced that some of these insane numbers are legit.

i mean that cookies bud that was linked look like some insane fire for sure but, theres no way its anywhere near 50% thc lol. sorry if i sound so arrogant or condescending...

if someone can provide me with some real evidence that i dont know what im talking about and there is indeed bud over 30% thc. humble pie is in my diet and ill gladly have a slice.

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    #25555602 - 10/21/18 02:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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...I really don't think all the results for decades have been wrong. Yea some buds test results are bullshit but 20-30% thc weed absolutely exists






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That's basically where I stand....

...I know test #s have been skewed before (I've heard it happening mostly in regards to competitions/cannabis cups), but I don't think all the testing #s over the past couple decades have been entirely false through out the entire world. Test #s have been exaggerated/false before, yea that's happened, but I don't think there's some conspiracy with all testing labs across the world to exaggerate the THC percentage.


I do believe 20% to 30% THC herb actually exists :yesnod:....but when the #s start getting up around and beyond 30% is when I start to have my doubts and call bullshit.






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    #25555638 - 10/21/18 02:27 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

400g of fresh off the plant weed lets say 75% moisture content
Thats 100g of actual plant
Of that 100g 25% is THC(a)

Cured smokeable bud is for purpose of easy math 25% water.

133g is your cured weight from 400g wet weight.
Of that 133g 25g would be thc(a)

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    #25555693 - 10/21/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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400g of fresh off the plant weed lets say 75% moisture content
Thats 100g of actual plant
Of that 100g 25% is THC(a)

Cured smokeable bud is for purpose of easy math 25% water.

133g is your cured weight from 400g wet weight.
Of that 133g 25g would be thc(a)




i agree that its possible for weed to be above 20% thc, but what im saying is that top of the line dank at its peek. i would like you to justify the guys weed that has the test results at 37.97%

so if we agree that number is not real, i then wonder how do we tell the different between whats real and not real when we know theres fakes?

edit: i guess maybe what i mean is it starting to seem like they are already manipulating results by completely dehydrating bud of 100% moisture, testing it and then putting test results on bud with moisture content in it. to me that would be indicating they are claiming 20% of the weed in the bag i bought is thc when just based on the manipulation of moisture its not. and then theres the issues of what parts are they testing, just calyxis? or are they using the same trim job on the bud they test vs package?

i guess what im reaaaally getting at is when you buy lets say a gram of weed and it says its 25% thc. is it really? how much are we allowed to do process wise to test it, and at what point do things become not genuine anymore. why not just freeze it knock it around a bunch and then test the keif that collected. and then we will put that test number on our bags of cured bud. that would seem insanely misleading in my eyes, potentially illegal if you did that in any other company for any other product.

when testing for "bad" things that could potentially be in weed or other products in the consumer market. i believe in all instances these manipulations will be used to inflate or deflate numbers, making the numbers i read on the bag of weed i buy almost irrelevant.

i cant just help but to be the devils advocate  :satan:

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    #25555811 - 10/21/18 03:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

So ive read the upper limit due to biology should be around 30-35

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    #25555899 - 10/21/18 04:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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So ive read the upper limit due to biology should be around 30-35






I've heard/read the same before as well :yesnod:....

...I can't recall from specifically where or what, but I do have that in my memory from somewhere lol......Something saying something about the plant not actually being able to produce THC concentrations beyond that point (maxing out around 30% to 35%).

Even before some of the points brought up in this thread, that's one of the reasons I've always had my doubts when hearing #s up around and beyond 30%.






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    #25555931 - 10/21/18 04:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Most of the testing uses HPLC and it's really testing the THCA content. If it was the actual THC content, it would be usually a very small amount.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/bho-yields.874565/


Since they're mostly using HPLC and there is no standard because it isn't federally legal, you should just use common sense and basic math. None of those yields for BHO are anywhere near enough to end up with 20% THC of the flower by dry weight. Look at other sites, other forums. Same thing.

It is impossible to have 20% THC dry weight of the flowers.

Prove me wrong.

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Let’s focus on three numbers under the “Potency Analysis” of the above label: THC, THCA, and total THC. On this label, the THC level is 1.0%. Most labels will display a low number like this because the plant contains mostly THCA, which needs to be decarboxylated (“activated”) by heat. In this case, we see 23.2% for the THCA level.




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How much THC does your favorite cannabis product contain? The answer may not be as straightforward as reading the “total THC” number that is (hopefully) printed on the label. There is no official industry standard for calculating the total THC of a cannabis product, and different producers and testing facilities calculate it in different ways.




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According to Confidence Analytics, a state-certified laboratory in Washington, “there are no strong regulations in place about how cannabis chemicals are measured. However, HPLC has emerged as the dominant technique for measuring cannabinoids.” In other industries, there are specific guidelines on testing methods and settings for laboratory equipment.
This lack of regulation can lead to discrepancies in potency data and inaccurate cannabinoid data.




Goofy ass inconsistent standards for testing isn't the same as simply extracting as much THC as possible from a sample, purifying it and then comparing its weight to the weight of the dry sample it came from. This isn't rocket science.

https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/how-to-assess-thc-cbd-levels-in-cannabis-strains-products


Until someone can prove me wrong, I'd have to say that you're all being fooled by these numbers. Shouldn't be too hard, should it? We have tons of growers on this site, some are pros.

Take a pound of DRY bud, not trim, of a strain rated above 20% THC. Do an efficient solvent extraction on it to get oil, such as BHO which is known to be efficient.

Weigh the THC (THCA with a small bit of THC actually) after you've further purified it. It is NOT going to be anywhere near 20% of the dry weight.


All the %s listed are estimates based usually on HPLC. ESTIMATES. Jesus.

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HPLC detectors typically measure UV light absorbance, which can be associated with specific molecules. When the molecules reach the detector, their relative abundance is measured. Because different cannabinoids, like THC and CBD, travel at different speeds through the column, they will be detected at different times, allowing for characterization of the sample.




They're not separating the THC or taking into account percentages of other molecules that interfere with UV absorption and other factors in estimating potency. Until they actually start extracting THCA and small amount of actual THC, separating them from everything else in the oil extract, and weighing that and comparing it to the dry weight of the bud, you're just getting conjecture.

The more I look into this the more I realize my suspicion is right.

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    #25555946 - 10/21/18 04:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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So ive read the upper limit due to biology should be around 30-35




https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/peak-thc-cbd-levels-for-cannabis-strains
this link would seem to support your claim.
i am still skeptical to say the very least tho.. 35% of the buds mass being pure thc seems very unreasonable to me but who am i to argue with nick jikomes. i dont have a b.s. in genetics.
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    #25557484 - 10/22/18 10:06 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I find a huge variance in different strains.Here in BC we have access to many different strains and some aren't very strong, and others knock the socks off feet.I am calling the article BS, from my decades of Cannabis use.

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    #25557521 - 10/22/18 10:20 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Canada is full of wiggers and their weed isn't nearly as good as weed from Colorado or Oregon.

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    #25557779 - 10/22/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Canada is full of wiggers and their weed isn't nearly as good as weed from Colorado or Oregon.




lol thats the most ignorant thing ive read today so far!!! congrats

im so sick of people who think their region has better weed.. are you talking about outdoor grows? then perhaps
are you talking about the top notch indoor grown? then you dont know what you are talking about :lmafo:

and these so called "wiggers" as you call em lol they have a more dense population in canada then in specifically oregon and colorado? what about washington state and california? is CA and WA weed not as good grown indoors and weed in colorado and oregon grow indoors?

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    #25557862 - 10/22/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.

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    #25557953 - 10/22/18 01:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.



Back in the day I could get mexican weed that was approaching today's dispensary quality in terms of potency. It's a shame they aren't allowed to do what we're doing in the US.. Probably wouldn't have as much illegal immigration if they were allowed to grow it.

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    #25558067 - 10/22/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.




When was the last time? Also you realize people can grow indoors right? Just like everywhere else.

Top notch indoor is practically identical regardless of where it is grown, all the "my state has the best bud" BS is nonsense.

Prices and average quality certainly vary a lot place to place, but top/bottom quality are almost always comparably good or bad :shrug:


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    #25558217 - 10/22/18 03:49 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.




When was the last time? Also you realize people can grow indoors right? Just like everywhere else.

Top notch indoor is practically identical regardless of where it is grown, all the "my state has the best bud" BS is nonsense.

Prices and average quality certainly vary a lot place to place, but top/bottom quality are almost always comparably good or bad :shrug:




exactly lol, if your smoking top tier then your smoking indoor thats it lol, doesnt matter if they have the "summers" for it...

this is why theres so much misinformation out there. but maybe i just dont know what im talking about then...

hes smoked a lot of "shit canadaian" weed tho. so that must me based on his anecdotal evidence, despite the logic of top tier weed being grown indoors where growers have full control over the climate because you are indoors. he knows they dont have the summers for it...

makes sense to me :rofl:

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    #25558231 - 10/22/18 03:56 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

We have incredible weed here in Oregon and I've still smoked my fair share of mediocre/crappy outdoor, but you'd have to be on crack to say all Oregon bud is bad. And I'd have to be really naive to think Oregon bud is any better then the rest of the westcoast (including parts of Canada)

It's funny as a lot of it comes down to strains, states that have been legal for awhile have more insanely potent hybrids and top notch indoor grows. But even black market states have some quality indoor grows, and people smuggling in clones from out of state.


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    #25558608 - 10/22/18 06:23 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Canada will catch up now that they've legalized it. Also, outdoor vs indoor only makes a difference if you don't have the right climate. The best, happiest weed plants, are now grown with a combination of indoor and outdoor. Even in a place with a shitty climate, there's just something they're getting outdoors they can't indoors.

Certain strains gain an increase in psychoactivity grown outdoors in areas where there's a lot of ultraviolet B radiation. It feels different to smoke that kind of weed, and that kind is generally more adapted to tropical or subtropical regions. UVB is nearly non-existant in indoor lighting.

I would imagine the naturally occurring terpenoids that the cannabis plant isn't producing itself, that it's exposed to by plants around it, plays a role in how happy and healthy the plant is. Just like people.

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I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.




When was the last time? Also you realize people can grow indoors right? Just like everywhere else.

Top notch indoor is practically identical regardless of where it is grown, all the "my state has the best bud" BS is nonsense.

Prices and average quality certainly vary a lot place to place, but top/bottom quality are almost always comparably good or bad :shrug:



In canada it is still 1997.
We have better manure than canada.

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I've smoked plenty of canadian weed. It was all shit, no sticky resin ever. I've been through pounds of shit weed from canada. Mexico grows better weed. Canada just doesn't have the weather for it. Summer lasts a week up there.




When was the last time? Also you realize people can grow indoors right? Just like everywhere else.

Top notch indoor is practically identical regardless of where it is grown, all the "my state has the best bud" BS is nonsense.

Prices and average quality certainly vary a lot place to place, but top/bottom quality are almost always comparably good or bad :shrug:



In canada it is still 1997.




Except it's not the same in all of canada, just like it isn't the same in each state...


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