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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: feevers]
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Like I said, I've been burning it for over fifty years, and I wish I could get weed that would put me there. One time I went five years without smoking or getting high at all. When I broke that fast I got an ounce of Skunk, the strongest stuff on the market at the time.
I sat and completely roached a big fat joint, started on a second, and then said to myself, "Wait. I don't feel it yet..."
Of course, I got totaled. It even got scary. But it didn't produce anything like what I've experienced with sage, or even mushrooms.

I've done edibles where I was so blasted that I spent some four hours or more sitting under a bridge, because I was too stoned to even stand up and  walk my bike home. But nothing like that disassociation from consensus reality.

As I said, I'm not calling BS on anyone's first-hand experience. Weed can be heavy, scary, profound as hell, But in my experience, the cannabis elevator just doesn't reach that floor.

JWM

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: JWM]
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JWM said:
Of course, I got totaled. It even got scary. But it didn't produce anything like what I've experienced with sage, or even mushrooms.

As I said, I'm not calling BS on anyone's first-hand experience. Weed can be heavy, scary, profound as hell, But in my experience, the cannabis elevator just doesn't reach that floor.

JWM


If You are cannabis turns out to be "scary" then I'd think it got You to that floor, Mate.


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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: heatlessbbq]
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heatlessbbq said:
JWM said:
Of course, I got totaled. It even got scary. But it didn't produce anything like what I've experienced with sage, or even mushrooms.

As I said, I'm not calling BS on anyone's first-hand experience. Weed can be heavy, scary, profound as hell, But in my experience, the cannabis elevator just doesn't reach that floor.

JWM


If You are cannabis turns out to be "scary" then I'd think it got You to that floor, Mate.


Well, since you were OP on this post- We started with your two part question: Can cannabis cause "ego death"? and: How do you define "Ego death?

On question one-- "Can" casts the broadest possible net. No doubt there is someone out there who has gone full screaming insane from weed, and there are others for whom weed just puts them to sleep. There is a very broad spectrum of possible reactions just as there are zillions of differences in individuals.
So the "Can" , (is it possible?) has to include a 'yes' answer somewhere.

The second part is wholly subjective. What is "ego death?"
As I stated a couple of times I was defining "ego death" as a feature of a profound Salvia event, something that was clearly beyond the boundaries of anything that I have ever experienced from cannabis.

Some have defined ego death as a state one can achieve meditating on the beach. Perhaps they refer to something like becoming Emmerson's "Transparent eyeball". Or from Damien by Herman Hesse: (paraphrase) "When we see the boundaries between nature and ourselves quiver and dissolve". Perhaps they refer to the rapturous state that we experience in the presence of great natural beauty. Or completely losing yourself in the moment. Again: What state of consciousness are we referring to?
Of course, transcendent states of consciousness can be accessed without drugs.

But I think it's disingenuous to compare that to being sent to an audience with the machine elves via DMT (disclaimer! never done that) or blasted straight out of the known universe on a Salvia experience. Maybe someone has gone that deep on weed. I'm not saying it's impossible.
But it's like asking, "Can I go 60 mph on my bicycle?" Well, yes it is *possible*...

JWM

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: heatlessbbq]
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heatlessbbq said:
JWM said:
Of course, I got totaled. It even got scary. But it didn't produce anything like what I've experienced with sage, or even mushrooms.

As I said, I'm not calling BS on anyone's first-hand experience. Weed can be heavy, scary, profound as hell, But in my experience, the cannabis elevator just doesn't reach that floor.

JWM


If You are cannabis turns out to be "scary" then I'd think it got You to that floor, Mate.


Again with you spouting nonsense

A panic attack is not an ‘ego death’

The two are completely unrelated

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: mendocino_beano]
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@JWM
it's not a floor, if you can get out at any door and find what you are looking for. Many people do.

being stoned, to the point of being stuck in the elevator, is not going to work, especially with 50 years of going up and down.
what you practice becomes your expertise.

weed has obvious effects, effects that people miss terribly when substituting weed with alcohol. alcohol does not have the charming vibrance or extra resonance that weed does.

weed also has some subtle effects, effects that are easy to ignore if you habituate for the obvious effects.

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: redgreenvines]
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yall need to take more psychedelic drugs

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
@JWM
it's not a floor, if you can get out at any door and find what you are looking for. Many people do.

being stoned, to the point of being stuck in the elevator, is not going to work, especially with 50 years of going up and down.
what you practice becomes your expertise.

weed has obvious effects, effects that people miss terribly when substituting weed with alcohol. alcohol does not have the charming vibrance or extra resonance that weed does.

weed also has some subtle effects, effects that are easy to ignore if you habituate for the obvious effects.


Seriously. What the fuck are you saying? There may be a point in this incoherent nonsense, but I fail to see it. I was pretty clear. There is no right and wrong, yes or no here. People are comparing entirely subjective experiences without set definitions for those experiences. The answers are all over the map as well they should be. You insist on playing this  passive aggressive shit where you give no definition, no criteria to define your terms, but rather sit there like a smug, sanctimonious ass hole with your nose in the air, spouting this incoherent crap like it's an intelligent answer, or somehow makes a point. Here's a clue. You accomplished neither.
You are a typical self righteous old hippie. Hidebound to political correctness, and incapable of seeing outside the narrow confines of your bigoted little materialist narrative. You are just plain desperate to win the argument, even if there isn't one. How's this? YOU WIN. Now kindly fuck yourself.

JWM

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: JWM]
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old hippies are the same as young ones except for the smell


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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: heatlessbbq]
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heatlessbbq said:
JWM said:
Of course, I got totaled. It even got scary. But it didn't produce anything like what I've experienced with sage, or even mushrooms.

As I said, I'm not calling BS on anyone's first-hand experience. Weed can be heavy, scary, profound as hell, But in my experience, the cannabis elevator just doesn't reach that floor.

JWM


If You are cannabis turns out to be "scary" then I'd think it got You to that floor, Mate.


I don't doubt that you had an incredible experience on weed but it seems to me that you desperately want something to be an ego death when it just wasn't. Panic attacks are a thing with weed nowadays. Just because you are going a bit off the deep end doesn't mean you can just equate it to a bad trip or ego death.

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Re: Can Cannabis Induce an "Ego Death"? [Re: JWM]
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JWM:

I work in Boston, and walk the streets everyday without paying the slightest attention to my surroundings for the most part. Walking these same streets are tourists from all over the world, admiring the foliage, relishing in the history and architecture. We're doing the same thing, having two completely different experiences. I could still have the experience they have, but the way I've used the city(a cut through from point a to point b) has habituated me to the environment, and somewhat made me lose appreciation. With enough focus and attention paid, I can have the same experience as the tourist, and lose myself in my surroundings.

I think that's what RGV was getting at, but regardless that's my own view. I smoked daily for many years to go to bed, play video games, relax or make work more interesting. Now I smoke much more rarely, and when I do I set apart time in my day, prepare a quiet and comfortable setting, and turn it into a meditative experience. I wouldn't even describe it as the same drug I used to use.

I'm not sure how I'd describe ego death... it's kinda just when you're there you know it. On LSD it's led me to kind of black in and out of consciousness, waking up and feeling reborn, not remembering hours of the trip. On mushrooms, cannabis and DMT, it's been accompanied by a spectacle so profound that I have no choice to give in and melt into existence, losing all sense of a body, time, place etc. "I" merge with the spectacle.

Here's a cannabis TR I typed up a little while back:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25180537

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