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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #16485866 - 07/05/12 05:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I try to be directly assertive. Not passive, not aggressive, or any combination of those.

What Wu Wei means to me is more as taking things as they come and not using will power. Will is ok, but your will shouldn't be worried about anothers will to an extent beyond guidance (Willpower). People do get to choose what they want in the end.

My brother was locked up pretty much his entire life, when he got out of prison he got into meth, and couldn't seem to get away from it. He started maniacal rampages kicking holes in the walls threatening everyone at my parents house. He even told me at one point that he would just rather be locked up. Which I told him didn't make sense and all he had to do was get a job, and he countered by telling me he has a way to make money and doesn't need a job. Even though that way was illegal, it was something he thought was worth the risk I guess.

He has a pretty severe learning disability and never really had the help he needed when we were children. That just adds to the matters that I probably played a role in teaching him how to steal and let him hang out with me and my "rebellious" friends even though he was much younger. We went around doing silly things like throwing snowballs at cars amongst other things that we could do to get adrenaline pumpin.

So you know, I wasn't a very good Big Brother, but there really isn't anything I can change about that now. Wu wei. My brother end up getting thrown out of my parents house after he shoved my dad, and was later busted by the cops with a bunch of guns and a stolen car, and burglary charges and everything else. It was ultimately his choice, so what could I have really done about it? I tried to show him and explain what meth does to you in the long run, and everyone was telling him about how skinny he was getting and offering encouragement to get a job etc.

There is really only so much you really do get to choose, and that seems to be what you can choose for you that regards you in any situation. :shrug:


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #16486245 - 07/05/12 06:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The moderators are only human.  :shrug:

Banning you for a year for such a slight "offense" would be a huge mistake.  Markos, you are a valuable voice in this community.  I wholly appreciate your in-depth posts about what are, to me, usually quite foreign ideas. 
I don't really have anything to add except my appreciation and support.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #16486704 - 07/05/12 08:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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The moderators are only human.  :shrug:

Banning you for a year for such a slight "offense" would be a huge mistake.  Markos, you are a valuable voice in this community.  I wholly appreciate your in-depth posts about what are, to me, usually quite foreign ideas. 
I don't really have anything to add except my appreciation and support.




You are kind for expressing appreciation, so thank you.

Yes, we are ALL "only human," at best, but there is a whole range of  proto-human, or humanoids, all pretty much defined by Kohlberg's scale of moral development, which is invariant across 300 different cultures. Morality begins in our development as NO morality. The small child equates being 'bad' with 'getting caught.' If there is no development, various degrees of psychopathy result. There are the proto-human socioopaths who Martha Stout has illustrated in The Sociopath Next Door who used to represent 1% of the population (Hell's Angels used to wear this number on their denim vests), but are now representative of 4% of the U.S. population. They can range from the sabotaging, back-stabbing co-worker up to those sociopaths who are classified (1-22) by Dr. Michael Stone ('Scale and Criminals' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Michael_Stone)

Those individuals who are the most compassionate and forgiving (hence disinterested in personal satisfaction) are among the most 'characteristically human' beings in the world. They are fulfilled and not in need of personal aggrandizement, hence figures like Buddha, Bodhisattvas, or the mythic Jesus. Power always seems to corrupt people, and whereas I do not mind assuming responsibility, I have never craved power. I am nobody's boss and nobody's daddy.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25418084 - 08/27/18 10:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: motifaded]
    #25418852 - 08/28/18 09:36 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

What is amazing to me is that you, a newbie, resurrected a 10 year old post of mine on alchemy! :cheers:



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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25419164 - 08/28/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

i've been talking about it recently. then this gets bumped. not surprised.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25423922 - 08/30/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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About to purchase my first distillation kit. Very interested to try and reunite with ancestral roots in western alchemy and practice something other than the chinese alchemy that I have been doing for some time.

I have always been interested in this aspect using lab equipment to physically recreate aspects of the spiritual or mental. I have always wondered how the glassblowers developed the idea's behind the shapes and names of the equipment involved.

The strange architectural construction of the glass and the relation to psychical structures of our mind and thought process.

I am also kind of tired of all the secrecy and "occult" themes surrounding these subjects. Lets try and strip away some of the codes and secret knowledge and just distill the spirit of alchemy in plain western language.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #25424907 - 08/30/18 08:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Mercury, Sulphur, Salt apparatuses. The distillation trains are parallel to the chakras and in particular the Vajrayana chakra idiom where there is greater transformation of the psychic centers. E.g., a furnace heats a boiler of water, the water becomes steam, the steam kinetically turns a turbine, the turbine mechanically turns a dynamo, the kinetic energy is transformed into electrical energy, the electrical energy transforms into heat and light in an incandescent bulb or cold light in a fluorescent tube. The transformations are various forms of energy whereas in the Hindu Yoga chakra idiom, the 'electrical' Kundalini-Shakti enters a 4-petalled chakra and like an increasing number of windings on electrical transformers raises the voltage at each transformer-chakra, the numbers of petals increase from chakra to chakra until the '1000-petalled Sahasrara.' The chakras are the inner planets, but they parallel the outer planets of our solar system in alchemy. The phenomenology of the planetary 'spirits' (gods and goddesses) can be illustrated (from Saturn to the Sun, with Earth's Moon considered to be a 'planet') and associated with the Ajna chakra (Yogis are sometimes seen with a lunar crescent affixed to a turban over the forehead to reflect this).

Ebay has been a good source of glassware to supplement what was gifted to me by a friend who became science chair at the school I worked at when he found 30 year old never-used organic chemistry kits 19/22 student-sized glass. I had a lot of non-organic glassware from adolescence when I had a home lab.

 







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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25425208 - 08/30/18 11:54 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I pulled the trigger and ordered a set tonight off eBay! Super excited, that is a beast of a set up what's cooking in the photo?

I have lots of experience with Hinduism/Yoga although it's not been without heavy influence from the Chinese Kung Fu school I learned it in. Having said that my teacher always thought it was funny that Chinese call Chi Kung Chinese Yoga and Hindus call Yoga Indian Chi Kung. Many of the classes I had when I was young I believe my teacher was unsure how I (14 yr old American Christian) would swallow the Hari Chrisna pill, hard to completely hide the Sanskrit language and I have far too many questions about what books my teacher was reading anyway. Either way the main body of understanding is Taoist in nature as the Taoist monks were the only Chinese interested in the internal alchemy or the Nei Dan.

The practice of boiling the water, a heat is generated n the belly the great sea of energy or Dan tien and is done by yogic breathing. The starting of the building of the internal energies begins what we call "spinning the wheel" slowly and with great effort usually over a period of time and with hard work the chakras awaken and the crawling of the kundalini energy begins from the coccyx up the spine. The chakra wheels spin and like a spinning electron the energy (literally imagining the electrons spinning around each other) begins to manifest as visions of color that typically correspond to the chakra being accessed.

At this point if you hav been doing the daily for about 30 days you should awaken the kundalini and start to experience the effects first hand. Access to the inner realms, the chakras wheels become inner portals to outer space and all manner of synchronicities begin to spill forth from the void of your subconscious. The thousand petal lotus can literally unfold like a spinning mandala of color whirring and dancing like the cosmic Shiva buzzing with an electric force that can literally scare people shitless (my teacher always warned never give in to amazement)

All of the alchemical practice is meant to condense the Golden Elixir or the Universal Panacea (Buddha is usually pictured holding a salve jar in his lap) we imagine this salve to be attainable though the Chinese only ever mention these process to be psychical or mental it has yet been explained to me how something material could b produced or if a material object was ever the goal.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #25425285 - 08/31/18 01:58 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You must know this book then: https://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Yoga-Kuan-Charles-Luk/dp/0877280673/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535700831&sr=8-1&keywords=charles+luk%2C
Tibetan Yogas draw from the static Indian Tantric systems, and the fluid circulatory system of Taoist inner alchemy. The "Immortal Foetus" is sometimes projected in the West as the Homunculus. Joseph Lisiewsk, according to occultist Israel Regard, came close to completing a Homunculus (but it died) made from "Gur," a substance obtained from the fermentation of summer rain from a lightning storm and human semen! http://thesecretbookreview.com/aleister-crowley/israel-regardie-and-the-philosophers-stone-by-joseph-c-lisiewski/



There is classic popular culture wherein these ideas have been brilliantly manifested:


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25426165 - 08/31/18 12:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I typed in the name of the Taoist Yoga book and this came up : [url=
Elixir[/url]

This meeting was at a major crossroads in my life. I met this guy about 13 years ago - after my Tai Chi school disbanded when my teacher moved a few hours away I was still hungry for some sort of American certificate to show all my years of training and this guy Roger Jahnke claimed to be offering them. He was at the time a sitting board member on the National Qi Gong Association. I spilled my guts to him about my experience and he invited me to come train at Esalen in Big Sur California. I was young barely 18 and didn't have a car yet so I couldn't accept. I don't think he could hold a candle to my goofy ass teacher even though he was obviously very highly educated.

Never heard of those books - The Israel Regardie and the Taosit Yoga ones, downloaded them and will start reading them now. Thank you for sharing that they look interesting.

Never read much into The Golden Dawn anytime I hear people like Blavatsky or Crowley mentioned I get a sour taste in my mouth. But I will give the Homonculus stuff a second chance ( there was recently a slew of hoax videos on youtube with chicken eggs) that made the whole subject seem ridiculous.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #25426249 - 08/31/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I take all of these biological experiments based on spurious mysterious substances with a grain of salt. Andrew Crosse in the mid 1800s claimed to have produced tiny, not microscopic, 'insects' in a sterilized solution of Sodium silicate and Hydrochloric acid. I used to grow crystals in this kind of mixture. Apparently, Mary Shelley became aware of Crosse, (and I think Michael Faraday) and these ideas led her to write Frankenstein.

WOW! This WAS hard to find, but now some are available. It's not a Homunculus, but it is about creating life. I do not know of any modern who has reproduced Crosse's creatures successfully. I was tempted to attempt, but to use the amount of liquid Mercury to submerge the end of a retort in is prohibitive (I do have a pound of the liquid metal, but I'm not pouring it out in an open basin). Also, the voltage (which must have been DC) and current is not specific. https://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Was-Frankenstein-Andrew/dp/0584103565/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1535742569&sr=8-2&keywords=the+man+who+was+frankenstein


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25428230 - 09/01/18 10:58 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I asked my teacher to say something about Chinese Alchemy this is what he wrote me on facebook.

I hope this will help you Brother... Neither alchemy as a whole, nor Waidan or Neidan individually, constitutes a "school" with a definite textual corpus and a single line of transmission. On the contrary, each of the two main branches displays a remarkable variety of teachings and practice.

Yet, beyond its different and almost endless formulations, the Way of the Golden Elixir is characterized by a foundation in the doctrinal principles set out in the main texts of Taoism — especially the Daode jing (Book of the Way and Its Virtue) — concerning the relation between the Dao and the world.

Remember Waidan is External Workout and Neidan is Internal Workout (Breathe).
Waidan, which arose earlier, is based on the compounding of elixirs through the manipulation of natural substances and the heating of ingredients in a crucible. Its texts contain recipes, descriptions of ingredients, ritual rules, and passages concerned with the cosmological associations of minerals, metals, instruments, and operations.

Neidan developed, as far as we know, from the 8th century CE. It borrows a significant part of its vocabulary and imagery from Waidan, but it aims to produce the elixir within the alchemist's person, using the primary components of the cosmos and the human being as ingredients. Neidan texts cover a wider spectrum of subjects compared to Waidan. At its ends are, on the one hand, teachings on the Dao (the principle at the basis of the manifested world) and, on the other, descriptions of practices.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: Forever White Belt] * 1
    #25441566 - 09/06/18 11:59 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Internal elixir, nectar, amrita, etc. is good. Imbibing metallic Mercury instead of Philosophical Mercury will just make one crazy before one dies a terrible death. The Jungians recognized that alchemists were projecting their psychic contents onto chemical processes in the lab ware. But they never really thought that the substances could become matrices which held psychic or spiritual effects which could then be imbibed. Of course this is safe in Spagyric alchemy, plant alchemy, provided that one has not concentrated plant toxins. Imbibing minerals and metals may be OK if one has been transformed into a being who can turn lead into gold or water into wine, but I for one do not have those abilities.

I do have some hypotheses about the psychospiritual suspension of chronos, ordinary sequential time and kairos, a special moment, but I use it to mean living intensely in the moment. More than mindfulness, it is an awareness of the intersection of time with eternity. I suspect that a psychedelic or entheogenic mind, cultivated by psychedelic experiences, may slow the ravages of chromosomes on our psychophysical mind-body. This is akin to the elixirs of longevity sought in alchemy. The more we 'log flight time in eternity,' the more we seem to rise above the rippling river of time and perhaps this can be seen objectively by others as well as subjectively experienced as a kind of youthfulness.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25442583 - 09/07/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

do you take your Philosophical Mercury fixed, or vulgar? :wink:










alchemy jokes!

PS: even Jesus went to Hell. it's an alchemical metaphor...LESSISMORE


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25442612 - 09/07/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Alchemy is of the heathen. They deny God to be their own God.

They are basically in class with satanist scum. Scumbag of the earth. They seek power for own Gain. And all their 'powers' come from Snake/Serpent/Dragon, and he takes twice as much as he gives.

Bible warns Alchemy has the price of Hell to pay. It brings HELL.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25510154 - 10/03/18 07:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I do have some hypotheses about the psychospiritual suspension of chronos, ordinary sequential time and kairos, a special moment, but I use it to mean living intensely in the moment. More than mindfulness, it is an awareness of the intersection of time with eternity. I suspect that a psychedelic or entheogenic mind, cultivated by psychedelic experiences, may slow the ravages of chromosomes on our psychophysical mind-body. This is akin to the elixirs of longevity sought in alchemy. The more we 'log flight time in eternity,' the more we seem to rise above the ripping river of time and perhaps this can be seen objectively by others as well as subjectively experienced as a kind of youthfulness.




That's exactly what it does.


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: BayerPhi]
    #25510167 - 10/03/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

i'd call it a 'youth exuberance', as typically said, but even 'through maturity'-- so a 'youthful-exuberance-through-maturity'.

a totally differing process than the typified 'aging' process.

https://www.minds.com/CynicalBastard/blog/the-process-of-tiring-out-893243659496464384


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #25513162 - 10/04/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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What is amazing to me is that you, a newbie, resurrected a 10 year old post of mine on alchemy! :cheers:






It’s been getting some attention too! Very nice, neat that you are from Florida as well! Have fun out there


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Re: ALCHEMY - Sacred Secrets Revealed: A Film by Luxor Media [Re: motifaded]
    #25513287 - 10/04/18 10:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks! (That plate is 15 years old. My new plate still reads ALCHEMY but it's no longer centered and the medallion has changed for Florida). I've had my fun in the Sunshine State (sunbathing, snorkeling, scuba diving, etc.) - got a cataract surgery, basal cell carcinoma and malignant melanoma to show for it! Now, the Red Tide and the Green Algae, caused by the irresponsible actions of our Governor Prick Snot, are killing fish and aquatic animals like never before. Florida will be the first of the 50 lower to be drowned when ocean levels rise. I'll be gone, but South Florida is doomed. I'll enjoy my micro-utopia for as long as I can. The backyard pic is old too, but it was a nice phase before Hurricanes Katrina, Wilma, Irma, and the development of the former golf course. :shrug:



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