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Offlinegoldenora
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Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw?
    #2549849 - 04/12/04 02:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm looking for simplicity and not much of an initial investment..

I think I will use popcorn for spawn, it seems people find it a bit more consistent than WBS (depending on region/brand how much water or time it takes).. As a bulk substrate I will use straw, I can not get anything besides Black Kow brand cow compost and it seems to do horrible..

Will popcorn spawn fine into straw? What straw is best for popcorn? If done as a bulk tek and layered at the bottom of a Rubbermaid and i cased with just coir, do I still need a humidifier or should i just re-case where I harvested from and mist then wait for a next flush? I know it will take a few tries to get good flushes..

I have a 12 p.s.i pressure cooker, would it be ok if i just ran it for a bit longer to make up for the lack of p.s.i's?

I have spores for Equadors & PES Hawaiian.. I have grown before but just massive amount of PF Tek (for dummies) Tek..

thank you all, stay kind and stay safe..


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Edited by goldenora (04/12/04 03:01 AM)


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2552120 - 04/12/04 07:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ohh, as far as i understand you need to incubate poo, straw generates enough heat to keep itself in the proper temps while the myc takes over.. is it safe to assume this?

any help on the above?


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2552141 - 04/12/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If your going to use straw I think its recommended that you do not pressure cook it. Straw seems to be alot of people's favorite to use for bulk, and from what Ive read on some of the bulk teks you dont need to incubate if you are using straw. Hope that helps some.


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2552152 - 04/12/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Someone might sometime opt to PASTEURIZE their straw at specific temps instead of sterilizing it. Search for a straw tek and then make it meet your needs. Pretty flexible stuff.
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7940


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2552159 - 04/12/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

afoaf just boils starw for 50 minutes on med heat....never has any probs till flush 5 or 6.


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2552241 - 04/12/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

straw sucks
horse poo is sooo much more superior in all aspects
go with poo you will be happy
bigger shrooms
more flushes


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or St [Re: goldenora]
    #2552391 - 04/12/04 11:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

heh.. im hoping you guys are as high as me and just didnt read my posts..

What straw is best for popcorn?

I have a 12 p.s.i pressure cooker, would it be ok if i just ran it for a bit longer to make up for the lack of p.s.i's (when pc'ing the popcorn)?

If done as a bulk tek and layered at the bottom of a Rubbermaid and i cased with just coir, do I still need a humidifier or should i just re-case where I harvested from and mist then wait for a next flush (casing in 20gal rubber maid tubs)?

I dont need to incubate straw that i have spawned grain into right((like you do poo) ), just layer and cover with plastic?

thanks!~

fee, i take it you missed where i said "all i can get is black kow brand composted manure, and this is said to be horrrible"..


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: fee]
    #2553712 - 04/13/04 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

fee said:
straw sucks
horse poo is sooo much more superior in all aspects
go with poo you will be happy
bigger shrooms
more flushes




What ratio of poo? Just use it straight or with some straw?


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: Scolecite]
    #2553747 - 04/13/04 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fee is convinced that using poo exclusively is the best way to go, yet it's more common to have 75%/25% straw/poo or even 50/50. I'd suggest experimenting and see what works best for you, but any of the options will get results.


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: obfuscatelesol]
    #2669584 - 05/12/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Would you be able to bulk with peatmoss/verm and oyster shells, i am confused as to why people say straw and poo is manditory?


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: Jopo]
    #2669862 - 05/12/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

peatmoss/verm and oyster shells is casing layer on top.

straw and poo are your substrate that you will spawn for nutrition


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or St [Re: goldenora]
    #2669992 - 05/12/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Wheat, barley or rye straw are best, I believe. I don't think there's a better kind of straw for different kinds of spawn.

Yes, PCing them for a little extra could be a smarter idea. I'm pretty sure 12 p.s.i. is enough to kill what needs to be eliminated.

If you use a bulk tech, just mist the sides of your container on a regular basis and fan several times a day for gas exchange. After a flush, you can re-case areas where casing has been removed and spray the shit out of your casing, or if you're up for it you can pour enough water into your container to submerge even your casing, let it sit under the water for 12 hours, then remove your substrate/casing and let it drain for a couple hours (bulk dunking)

As for incubation, just make sure it gets at least 75+ temps, and it should be fine. I layered my straw with small bird seed recently and in 75 degree temperatures 4"-5" of substrate was colonized in two weeks.

Good luck with your grow! :thumbup:


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Re: Simple Bulk: Spawn, WBS or Popcorn? Substrate, Poo or Straw? [Re: goldenora]
    #2670039 - 05/12/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man if you cant get good compost where you live try the shroomery sponser high mountain compost everybody seems to rave about them i have yet to use tehm but i think i will be on my next grow. I hear that there compost is some of the best you can get.


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