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Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time?
    #25490279 - 09/26/18 11:08 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully this thread doesnt get deleted since every other one ive had to redue!

So.. im here to ask a question about doing shrooms for the first time
Im tempted to take the full 7 grams would that be expectable considering Ive smoked weed for 8 years?

My Location is going to be alone with NO distractions, while listening to music.

what are your thoughts?

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25490289 - 09/26/18 11:12 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Rather dangerous. That's a very strong dosage.

I would get yourself familiar with how mushrooms operate first by taking a dose of 2 grams to 3.5g if you're feeling on the heavier end. You could even take a microdose to start to make sure your body reacts properly, to find your personal sensitvity. There's no reason to do 7g right away, I would advice against it. Remember every mushroom is a different potency as well, so it's just safer to test your mushrooms at a lower level first, most people would never dare to take 7g let alone if it is a species other than Cubensis, it could be extremely overwhelming.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #25490311 - 09/26/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Psilocybin ≠ thc, if you think that cannabis has prepared you for a 7g mushroom dose you are in for the surprise of your life  :scaryshroom:


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #25490315 - 09/26/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ive seen many EXPERIENCED members try to tell you to start at a lower dose.

Yet you continue the same question.

No amount of weed smoking can prepare you for a 7g journey.

I ate 1.5g two days ago and tripped my balls off unexpectedly.

Strap your boots on boy and do what you think you can handle :shrug:

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sofaking420] * 5
    #25490322 - 09/26/18 11:22 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I've sold lighters on the street for 8 years. Should I manage a fortune 500 company?

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sofaking420]
    #25490334 - 09/26/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

That is a very strong dose if your head is not in the game. I've handled it twice in my life. Talking yourself into suicide becomes easy to proceed with under the influence so having a sitter is always a good idea.


Keep your surrounding calm and relaxed so you can keep a steady pace of mind. normally if they are very potent, 1.5~1.75 should be good to give a balanced invigorated mind as well as decently distorted visuals ;D


Side note: keep yourself busy! Nothing is more worse than the stone statue gaze of awkwardness and not knowing what to do with yourself! Get a good list of music/movies/drawing/ect to last at least 6 to 8 hours for assured comfortability


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: CosmicMan] * 1
    #25490348 - 09/26/18 11:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Do it and report back to us how it went. As long as you're physically healthy, go for it.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25490387 - 09/26/18 11:57 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, he ain't going to be mentally healthy after this though


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis] * 1
    #25490388 - 09/26/18 11:57 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Don't eat 7 grams your first time. Every thread you made has answered your question but you keep making more threads asking the same thing despite the sleuth of replies advising against it.

You will do what you want in the end but I highly recommend that you eat 2 grams at most for your first psychedelic experience with mushrooms. You can read all you want but you will not know u til you're there. Don't be reckless, take safe measures before/while experimenting with these substances.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan] * 1
    #25490410 - 09/26/18 12:05 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You should start out with a relatively small dose to see if your hypersensitive to these substances


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25490411 - 09/26/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I still recommend 4 grams of Lemon Balm, and some good music. Trust me on this, 4 grams of Lemon Balm for a Psychedelic noobie is a good idea, even with a low mushroom dosage, it'll help make things smoother, it's a great plant imo.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sabnock]
    #25490418 - 09/26/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

4 grams is still a bit much Tho, a lot of people don't even eat more than 2 - 3.5 grams anyways so why go so far for a first time? There's no real reason to dose that high without even knowing how it will affect you.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan] * 1
    #25490473 - 09/26/18 12:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I think he meant 4g of lemon balm


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #25490478 - 09/26/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I've never ate lemon balm with mushrooms. Does it just help with nausea?


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25490508 - 09/26/18 12:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't i ate under 3 my first time and was almost out of this world full kaleidoscope style spinning colors and entity's that seemed to tear the fabric of reality. also ive never had a pleasant experience tripping alone... i always get to thinking too much and when i get the negative thoughts to stop i start to see demonic beasts all over the walls and floor. its never happened when i had somebody i fully trust with me....


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: TheUltimateBohab] * 1
    #25490529 - 09/26/18 01:03 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

"Ive smoked weed for 8 years"

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25490614 - 09/26/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh, I've never ate lemon balm with mushrooms. Does it just help with nausea?




Yeah i meant 4 grams of Lemon Balm, not sure if it helps with nausea but i use it for reducing anxiety/tension/stress/panic/fear/intensity, so it really really really helps to smooth out the come up on Psychedelics like mushrooms or Ayahuasca/oral DMT, and adds a nice flavor/character to the experience/feel. I recommend it for newbies because it makes for a smoother experience (reduces the risk of a bad trip) and can allow you to take a higher dosage without freaking out, it works wonderfully for Aya/oral DMT, turns what is usually a quite hectic and chaotic and VERY intense come up into a very smooth, gentle and light feeling come up, and that's with Aya/oral DMT so with mushrooms it's a piece of cake.

But yeah, i myself am not opposed to a 5 to 7 gram mushroom dosage for a beginner, as i started out with Aya as my first Entheogen/Psychedelic and handled it pretty well, especially for being on my own/by myself, and that was before i found Lemon Balm, so i think while it's good to be cautious and definitely to be prepared, i don't think it's a bad thing necessarily for someone to dive in head first their first experience, but it is generally advisable to go for 2 to 2.5 grams if it's your first time, some even say in the 1 gram range but imo/ime that's too light but 2 to 2.5 grams is a good stable low dosage ime. Regardless though, having 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea in the mix can come in handy no matter the mushroom dosage.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sabnock]
    #25491216 - 09/26/18 05:55 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

If all you have done is smoke weed for 8 years, 2-3 grams would be the most amazing experience of your life guaranteed, unless you have done DMT or LSD which it sounds like is a no.  Even 1 g would blow your mind if you have average tolerance and the shrooms are decent and dry.  Doing 7, especially after all the other comments to the contrary would be so stupid.  They could be some PE strain or pan cyan species, which are supposed to be around 2x as potent as most cubes, so don't be a fool!

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: shakezoola]
    #25491351 - 09/26/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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If all you have done is smoke weed for 8 years, 2-3 grams would be the most amazing experience of your life guaranteed, unless you have done DMT or LSD which it sounds like is a no.  Even 1 g would blow your mind if you have average tolerance and the shrooms are decent and dry.  Doing 7, especially after all the other comments to the contrary would be so stupid.  They could be some PE strain or pan cyan species, which are supposed to be around 2x as potent as most cubes, so don't be a fool!



But 5 dry is the average heroic dose for most people. The vast majority of people that take that dose say taking more doesn't increase the intensity, just the duration somewhat.

What have you got to lose? So many people complain they didn't take enough and that the "magic" diminishes over the years. So if you start big, you're not going to be diminishing anything for your first high dose.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: grati]
    #25491363 - 09/26/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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"Ive smoked weed for 8 years"

:elderno:  :judyfacepalm:



:lolsy:
Just what others have said in this thread weed is not gonna prepare you what so ever for a psychedelic experience let alone 7g of mushrooms lol your already trippin and you haven't even taken the shrooms yet :ducklol:

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: LincolnCityTripper] * 3
    #25491472 - 09/26/18 07:25 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

:justno:

I get that you might be thinking "i want to go all in and really experience it" but trust everyone here (more or less) and stick with a lower amount. You will be all in at that low amount and you will get the feel of the terrain.

Enjoy the magic of 2-3.5 and you can look forward to 7 down the road.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis] * 1
    #25491920 - 09/26/18 11:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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What have you got to lose? So many people complain they didn't take enough and that the "magic" diminishes over the years. So if you start big, you're not going to be diminishing anything for your first high dose.




And then there's just as many people who complain that they took to much, and these people regret it way more than those who took to little. 7g without experience is straight up dangerous, you have alot to lose  :mad2:


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: hejAdig999]
    #25491940 - 09/26/18 11:30 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Never do mushrooms or you may have a bad time.
Never take a chance
Be scared of everything.

Maybe micro dose for a few days and claim enlightenment.

FYI : mushrooms make you gey anyway.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: bishlap]
    #25491979 - 09/27/18 12:04 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

There's having a bad time and ending up in the hospital
There's taking chances and being stupid.
There's being scared and having respect.

Maybe try a normal dose to see if you can handle it. Especially since there's enough for a small and a large dose


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: hejAdig999] * 1
    #25491983 - 09/27/18 12:07 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

my very first dose of shrooms was 1g just to test the waters, and that was a grand old time... 7g for a first dose? Hell no LOL... 7g shroom hole aint no joke :awecid:


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Blazer420] * 1
    #25492002 - 09/27/18 12:28 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ya no one should take mushrooms, you could have a bad time.


I wouldn't take more than .01g or some other Radom arbitrary number,say...1.63g is perfect!
But like 2.04 would be far too much.

First time I took mushrooms it was a little over 4g (ate my 8th and finished my friends) and all I knew was that my mom told me she took them once and laughed all night, it was the most beautiful and spiritual trip I have ever had and I would have taken more if I had them.

OP will do whatever he wants most people are just looking for confirmation anyway and skim past all your heart felt posts.

I'm not saying to do it but I don't feel right saying not to either and rough trips have for me always brought the most insight unpleasant as it can be.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: bishlap] * 2
    #25492014 - 09/27/18 12:44 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

^^ recommending 7 grams is safe for someone who never has never taken mushrooms before, yet alone any psychedelic, that's an easy trip to the hospital or running in the streets naked screaming bloody murder, yeah things could go well, but it's not smart to take such a large dose when you know nothing of how the drug even works on your self, do you recommend people take gram dabs of concentrate their first time smoking too?

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #25492354 - 09/27/18 07:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Your right, everyone should be scared of everything.

No one should do any drugs period, they are illegal and not approved by the government or law.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: hejAdig999]
    #25492610 - 09/27/18 09:44 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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What have you got to lose? So many people complain they didn't take enough and that the "magic" diminishes over the years. So if you start big, you're not going to be diminishing anything for your first high dose.




And then there's just as many people who complain that they took to much, and these people regret it way more than those who took to little. 7g without experience is straight up dangerous, you have alot to lose  :mad2:



Nah, not really. You're going to die some day anyways, you might as well trip ballz while your body can handle it. So what if you end up in a hospital? Then you know your limit. We're eliminating the weak ones. Doesn't mean they're inferior people, it just means that psychologically they're weak. Mushrooms are considered all over the world to be less harmful than pot. They're considered one of the least harmful drugs known to man. Do not trip near a highway or a busy road or anything else dangerous. If anyone has to tell you this, if you don't have the common sense for this to begin with, stay away from psychedelics.

Most of the people that say mushrooms are dangerous are overly emotional people. Emos basically. They have underlying psychological or mental health issues and they're assuming everyone else will.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis] * 2
    #25492635 - 09/27/18 09:55 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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So many people complain they didn't take enough and that the "magic" diminishes over the years.





everything else aside, who are these so many people? 

in 35+ years of tripping, i haven't met them.  everyone i know is much more sensitive to psychedelics 30 years on than they were bitd.  they have their shit together much better today but they still don't need large doses to get way out there.  i think it has a lot to do with being more in touch with their minds and bodies due to age and experience but who knows.  :shrug:

what i have noticed, however, is that abusing psychedelics makes one both less sensitive and less appreciative of the experience.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis] * 1
    #25492638 - 09/27/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You haven't tripped much have you? Have you ever freaked on psychedelics before and end up being arrested or put in the hospital? Has nothing to do with being weak, it's called being safe. You sound like you're very inexperienced with psychedelics.
Of course mushrooms are safe but shit happens to everyone. To think it's only"weak" or "emo" peoe who have bad experiences then you obviously have no idea the potential of these substances.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25492711 - 09/27/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Starting to think this guy is trolling


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25492735 - 09/27/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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You haven't tripped much have you? Have you ever freaked on psychedelics before and end up being arrested or put in the hospital? Has nothing to do with being weak, it's called being safe. You sound like you're very inexperienced with psychedelics.
Of course mushrooms are safe but shit happens to everyone. To think it's only"weak" or "emo" peoe who have bad experiences then you obviously have no idea the potential of these substances.



I've had thousands of dollars in growing/lab equipment for several years now and before that I lived in a place where Cubensis grows all year round. What do you think? Yes I have tripped a lot and it does have everything to do with psychological weakness. Some people have these weaknesses and some do not. I've had bad trips, but that was years ago when I didn't have experience.

Not everyone is going to end up in a hospital. Bad trips maybe, but not hospital visits. I stick to mushrooms for that reason. Known too many people that got injured or messed up on acid with it's dopaminergic effects, potency and crazy half-life. Remember, it isn't the potential of the "substance" but of the mind itself. Not everyone's mind is going to turn against them and make them suicidal or run into traffic naked. Actually even with a heroic dose, most people don't react that way. Most they get, is shook up, with a bad trip. But I don't really believe any trip could be entirely bad. Unless you are one of the psychologically weak people I described. Then in that case, you've learned to stay away from psychedelics, they're not meant for you.

At night one time, I gave two people I know, who have higher than average IQ and are pretty experienced and knowledgeable, some B+ chocolates. Over 5 grams dry each. They ended up crying and hugging/holding each other, having all sorts of weird visions, but at the end of it, they thanked me and one said it was the strongest mushroom trip he'd ever had, the other said it was stronger than any acid or anything else he'd ever taken. They peaked around probably midnight. Everyone around them, who wasn't experienced with mushrooms was freaking out saying "omg they're tripping too hard someones going to call the cops we're all getting busted" lol

I laughed and told them it's only mushrooms, keep an eye on them and they'll be fine, they'll be coming down in a few hours. I was exactly right and it was one of the coolest experiences they'd ever had in their entire lives. That was the first time one of them had experienced ego death and he actually came out of that trip with a greater appreciation for everything.  Those two guys, I know, are tested. They passed the test. They are not psychologically weak. They've got their issues, but they're not some emo types on shroomery that say "omg be careful u may end up naked n da traffic at dat dose!11"

Anyway, let the guy do what he wants.

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    #25492753 - 09/27/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I mean Tho, this is op's first experience with psychedelics. He has no idea how he will react to them. It's just taking safe measures. I have had many 7+ gram trips as well and were very enjoyable but also had extremely bad ones as well with lower doses. It's just more prone to happen  on higher doses.
I've never freaked and ran around naked or in traffic either but I have seen people freak out.. shit does happen that's all and wouldn't want someone to hurtthemselves or someone else unintentionally.
I agree the mental state of the individual is very dependant on how the trip will go but just as much as the mushroom is as dependant as the mental state.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #25492846 - 09/27/18 11:25 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Once again, people need to realize, there are things one can do to prevent or calm down the freak outs. Admixture plants, breathing techniques, music, allowing yourself to die and give in/surrender/let go, change of scenery/setting, meditation/clearing the mind/not focusing on thoughts, there's quite a few things one can do to reduce the risks. I still swear by the Lemon Balm though, 4 grams of Lemon Balm tea, i'd be very surprised if even a newbie had a bad time on 5 to 7 grams of mushrooms their first time with Lemon Balm in the mix. Sure it's advisable to start low and work one's way up, but if someone wants to dive in head first from the get go, just be as prepared as possible, and trust me, use the Lemon Balm.


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    #25492877 - 09/27/18 11:43 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Once again, people need to realize, there are things one can do to prevent or calm down the freak outs. Admixture plants, breathing techniques, music, allowing yourself to die and give in/surrender/let go, change of scenery/setting, meditation/clearing the mind/not focusing on thoughts, there's quite a few things one can do to reduce the risks. I still swear by the Lemon Balm though, 4 grams of Lemon Balm tea, i'd be very surprised if even a newbie had a bad time on 5 to 7 grams of mushrooms their first time with Lemon Balm in the mix. Sure it's advisable to start low and work one's way up, but if someone wants to dive in head first from the get go, just be as prepared as possible, and trust me, use the Lemon Balm.



Lemon Balm is heavenly. I don't know about the anxiolytic effects but damn it sure does taste and smell amazing.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25493029 - 09/27/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Necropolis said:Lemon Balm is heavenly. I don't know about the anxiolytic effects but damn it sure does taste and smell amazing.




Yeah it does smell and taste awesome, the good stuff anyways, lower quality stuff doesn't taste or smell all that great but good quality stuff does. But yeah it contains Rosmarinic Acid which inhibits GABA-Transaminase as well as Acetylcholinesterase, so not only can it raise GABA levels in the brain and thus help with anxiety/tension/stress/panic and reduce the intensity, but also raises Acetylcholine levels in the brain which can aid in memory and learning and adds a bit of a nootropic-like effect to it, imo/ime. 3 to 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf made into a tea and consumed with my Aya/oral DMT was enough to practically remove all come up anxiety/intensity at least ime, even gave a girl i know Aya for her first Psychedelic/Entheogen, at the dosages i use, and with the Lemon Balm in the mix, she didn't freak out one bit, she really enjoyed it, for the most part. Lemon Balm really smooths out the come up, which is why i recommend it for newbies, even with a lower-end dosage of mushrooms or Aya or what not.

There's so many different plants/oils/supplements out there that could be mixed with Psychedelics for all kinds of different benefits or flavors of the experience, so there's a lot of potential in admixture plants and synergy between the Psychedelic and herbal combinations. Which i think is something people knew about way back when, but these days people just take the Psychedelic on it's own, for the most part, without realizing there's so much more potential and variations of the experience than the basic experience, you can flavor things up quite nicely and alter the effects/feelings/experience more to your liking, it doesn't always have to be hard and chaotic, which don't get me wrong hard and chaotic can be good too but it's by far not the only way to go about it imo.


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    #25493055 - 09/27/18 01:07 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

If you have to ask if you should do something without having done research, then the answer should automatically be no.

Seriously though.. WTF are you hoping to achieve?

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    #25493205 - 09/27/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

for my own first trip i did about 55 grams fresh (they were Z multispores i grew myself), so 5.5 grams dried equivalent. (it tasted godsawful, but i managed to choke it down.) that said, im in my thirties, have already dealt with a lot of difficult crap in my life and instead of running away from it, faced my fears and reflected on my life. i've already lit the darkest corners of my soul, so i felt pretty confident that even a level 5 trip wasn't going to make me freak out.

I'd also done research on what i could expect, and made sure i had the day off and was feeling good.

this was my first time doing drugs of any kind. i never have even smoked or drank alcohol in my life. i knew shrooms were nonaddictive and harmless though, which is why i felt fine in taking them.

funny enough, i didn't have a bad trip at all going solo. on the contrary, i had the most amazing time of my life, despite not doing much. a feeling of being immersed in a river of energy, musings of how life is full of cycles, intertwining with each other, and when i felt energetic enough to move again, i discovered the most amazing thing i'd ever known - that it was possible to experience no pain, for the first time in my life as far as i could remember. my head didn't throb from migraines, my muscles didn't ache, my back wasn't hurting, and i didn't feel tired.

i can't even remember feeling like that even as a kid - from a young age i suffered from migraines and back then i didn't even know about taking excedrin to deal with it, so i often had days a couple times a week where i was crying from pain and trying to fall asleep in the dark. yet here i was, where suddenly my flexibility was not only as good as i could remember, it was better. i could squat down without falling over, touch my toes, walk with my back straight, and all without the slightest hint of pain. i even used my inversion table and hung upside down, and discovered i could do pull ups while fully inverted... as if my muscles were no longer working against themselves and instead everything was working together.

during that trip a feeling of a voice inside my head spoke and said i never would have to worry about a bad trip, because i already know how to flow instead of resisting. of course, i know that it's possible that it's not true, but so far i've tripped several times, even at 10g dried, and never have had a bad trip.

i've not encounted this ego death or much in the way of visuals yet though - so far the 10g trip was the most dramatic with occasional color waves, where a picture would suddenly appear slightly reddish or greenish. or sometimes the shadows in a picture would stand out dramatically, and on all trips all colors are more vibrant. the 10g trip also wound up with at one point the closet in my room looking much deeper than it is, almost twice as deep as normal.

these trips were all 1-2 weeks apart so it wasn't tolerance, but i'm also 240 lb so it might be i just need a lot higher dose do to my increased mass /shrug

so is 7 grams good for you? its going to depend a lot on set and setting, if you've tripped recently, and your own mindset. if you are afraid to confront your own memories, or contemplate the consequences of your actions and that you might be wrong about everything you've believed in your whole life, you probably don't want to go too high a dose right away unless you want a baptism by fire.

if there's one thing tripping does, it's break down the barriers you've thrown up in your mind. too high a trip and you may find yourself in some scary mental woods rather than your mental front porch, so to speak.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Psion]
    #25493241 - 09/27/18 02:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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for my own first trip i did about 55 grams fresh (they were Z multispores i grew myself), so 5.5 grams dried equivalent. (it tasted godsawful, but i managed to choke it down.) that said, im in my thirties, have already dealt with a lot of difficult crap in my life and instead of running away from it, faced my fears and reflected on my life. i've already lit the darkest corners of my soul, so i felt pretty confident that even a level 5 trip wasn't going to make me freak out.

I'd also done research on what i could expect, and made sure i had the day off and was feeling good.

this was my first time doing drugs of any kind. i never have even smoked or drank alcohol in my life. i knew shrooms were nonaddictive and harmless though, which is why i felt fine in taking them.

funny enough, i didn't have a bad trip at all going solo. on the contrary, i had the most amazing time of my life, despite not doing much. a feeling of being immersed in a river of energy, musings of how life is full of cycles, intertwining with each other, and when i felt energetic enough to move again, i discovered the most amazing thing i'd ever known - that it was possible to experience no pain, for the first time in my life as far as i could remember. my head didn't throb from migraines, my muscles didn't ache, my back wasn't hurting, and i didn't feel tired.

i can't even remember feeling like that even as a kid - from a young age i suffered from migraines and back then i didn't even know about taking excedrin to deal with it, so i often had days a couple times a week where i was crying from pain and trying to fall asleep in the dark. yet here i was, where suddenly my flexibility was not only as good as i could remember, it was better. i could squat down without falling over, touch my toes, walk with my back straight, and all without the slightest hint of pain. i even used my inversion table and hung upside down, and discovered i could do pull ups while fully inverted... as if my muscles were no longer working against themselves and instead everything was working together.

during that trip a feeling of a voice inside my head spoke and said i never would have to worry about a bad trip, because i already know how to flow instead of resisting. of course, i know that it's possible that it's not true, but so far i've tripped several times, even at 10g dried, and never have had a bad trip.

i've not encounted this ego death or much in the way of visuals yet though - so far the 10g trip was the most dramatic with occasional color waves, where a picture would suddenly appear slightly reddish or greenish. or sometimes the shadows in a picture would stand out dramatically, and on all trips all colors are more vibrant. the 10g trip also wound up with at one point the closet in my room looking much deeper than it is, almost twice as deep as normal.

these trips were all 1-2 weeks apart so it wasn't tolerance, but i'm also 240 lb so it might be i just need a lot higher dose do to my increased mass /shrug

so is 7 grams good for you? its going to depend a lot on set and setting, if you've tripped recently, and your own mindset. if you are afraid to confront your own memories, or contemplate the consequences of your actions and that you might be wrong about everything you've believed in your whole life, you probably don't want to go too high a dose right away unless you want a baptism by fire.

if there's one thing tripping does, it's break down the barriers you've thrown up in your mind. too high a trip and you may find yourself in some scary mental woods rather than your mental front porch, so to speak.




You have shitty shrooms or you're on SSRIs. On just 1g, I'm seeing patterns from different civilizations on walls, carpet, ceiling. On 2-2.5g objects/faces start to morph. On 3g+ time completely stops, crazy CEVs, I exp. ego dissolving and I'm being teleported to other places :lol: And you're saying that on 10g you see "occasional color waves".


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: grati]
    #25493266 - 09/27/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

For a first time tripper, 7 grams could be dangerous, as in u doing something stupid or illegal.

Or it might go totally fine.

Theres some risk there for sure. I would recommend half that dose.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: grati]
    #25493307 - 09/27/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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for my own first trip i did about 55 grams fresh (they were Z multispores i grew myself), so 5.5 grams dried equivalent. (it tasted godsawful, but i managed to choke it down.) that said, im in my thirties, have already dealt with a lot of difficult crap in my life and instead of running away from it, faced my fears and reflected on my life. i've already lit the darkest corners of my soul, so i felt pretty confident that even a level 5 trip wasn't going to make me freak out.

I'd also done research on what i could expect, and made sure i had the day off and was feeling good.

this was my first time doing drugs of any kind. i never have even smoked or drank alcohol in my life. i knew shrooms were nonaddictive and harmless though, which is why i felt fine in taking them.

funny enough, i didn't have a bad trip at all going solo. on the contrary, i had the most amazing time of my life, despite not doing much. a feeling of being immersed in a river of energy, musings of how life is full of cycles, intertwining with each other, and when i felt energetic enough to move again, i discovered the most amazing thing i'd ever known - that it was possible to experience no pain, for the first time in my life as far as i could remember. my head didn't throb from migraines, my muscles didn't ache, my back wasn't hurting, and i didn't feel tired.

i can't even remember feeling like that even as a kid - from a young age i suffered from migraines and back then i didn't even know about taking excedrin to deal with it, so i often had days a couple times a week where i was crying from pain and trying to fall asleep in the dark. yet here i was, where suddenly my flexibility was not only as good as i could remember, it was better. i could squat down without falling over, touch my toes, walk with my back straight, and all without the slightest hint of pain. i even used my inversion table and hung upside down, and discovered i could do pull ups while fully inverted... as if my muscles were no longer working against themselves and instead everything was working together.

during that trip a feeling of a voice inside my head spoke and said i never would have to worry about a bad trip, because i already know how to flow instead of resisting. of course, i know that it's possible that it's not true, but so far i've tripped several times, even at 10g dried, and never have had a bad trip.

i've not encounted this ego death or much in the way of visuals yet though - so far the 10g trip was the most dramatic with occasional color waves, where a picture would suddenly appear slightly reddish or greenish. or sometimes the shadows in a picture would stand out dramatically, and on all trips all colors are more vibrant. the 10g trip also wound up with at one point the closet in my room looking much deeper than it is, almost twice as deep as normal.

these trips were all 1-2 weeks apart so it wasn't tolerance, but i'm also 240 lb so it might be i just need a lot higher dose do to my increased mass /shrug

so is 7 grams good for you? its going to depend a lot on set and setting, if you've tripped recently, and your own mindset. if you are afraid to confront your own memories, or contemplate the consequences of your actions and that you might be wrong about everything you've believed in your whole life, you probably don't want to go too high a dose right away unless you want a baptism by fire.

if there's one thing tripping does, it's break down the barriers you've thrown up in your mind. too high a trip and you may find yourself in some scary mental woods rather than your mental front porch, so to speak.




You have shitty shrooms or you're on SSRIs. On just 1g, I'm seeing patterns from different civilizations on walls, carpet, ceiling. On 2-2.5g objects/faces start to morph. On 3g+ time completely stops, crazy CEVs, I exp. ego dissolving and I'm being teleported to other places :lol: And you're saying that on 10g you see "occasional color waves".



Different people metablize drugs differently. Not everyone is wired the same way. On 3 grams I become an Egyptian god with crazy amounts of supernatural power and I feel super confident and blissed out. So it's different for everyone.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25493332 - 09/27/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

definetly not on SSRIs, or any drugs. the only thing i take is tylenol (had to stop taking excedrin the last few months due to aspirin causing an ulcer in my stomach)

it's possible the shrooms were unusually low potency, though my cakes did pretty decent for a first try. i won't say i got a bumper crop off them but it was about 40 grams dry from about 8 cakes total, so not the worst.

i was definitely under the effects of the shrooms though, eyes dilated like crazy, lots of euphoria, introspective, etc. just not much in the way of visuals, which makes me a bit sad, lol. trying to cultivate PEU now, i hear they are much better for visuals.

its possible that i just have a high resistance to visuals. i'm nigh immune to peer pressure, tend to listen to facts instead of being taken in by emotion, and i've also taken classes on perspective/color theory, so i've trained my eyes to see what is actually there instead of being taken in by optical illusions. it might be that it's working against me in this case. or maybe the shrooms i grew were just a weak batch.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Psion]
    #25493652 - 09/27/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

people keep posting on this giving dude advice but he hasn't said anything since the first post im assuming he doesn't care what we say one way or another hes going to do what he does.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: TheUltimateBohab]
    #25493821 - 09/27/18 06:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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people keep posting on this giving dude advice but he hasn't said anything since the first post im assuming he doesn't care what we say one way or another hes going to do what he does.




Lol I hope he does take those freaking 7g after all this hassle :lol:


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Psion]
    #25493845 - 09/27/18 06:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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definetly not on SSRIs, or any drugs. the only thing i take is tylenol (had to stop taking excedrin the last few months due to aspirin causing an ulcer in my stomach)

it's possible the shrooms were unusually low potency, though my cakes did pretty decent for a first try. i won't say i got a bumper crop off them but it was about 40 grams dry from about 8 cakes total, so not the worst.

i was definitely under the effects of the shrooms though, eyes dilated like crazy, lots of euphoria, introspective, etc. just not much in the way of visuals, which makes me a bit sad, lol. trying to cultivate PEU now, i hear they are much better for visuals.

its possible that i just have a high resistance to visuals. i'm nigh immune to peer pressure, tend to listen to facts instead of being taken in by emotion, and i've also taken classes on perspective/color theory, so i've trained my eyes to see what is actually there instead of being taken in by optical illusions. it might be that it's working against me in this case. or maybe the shrooms i grew were just a weak batch.




Yeah, try another strain to be sure, but the visuals seem to be a very variable and personal thing. I had quite a lot of visuals when I started tripping, I even had a color storm on a 4g dose where everything was changing colors every few seconds! But now I am tripping regularly on 5-6g and I barely have any visuals :shrug: Still love the trips though...


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Inflaton]
    #25493883 - 09/27/18 06:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You have no idea as to how you will react to mushrooms at all so diving into 7g is extremely foolish. My girlfriend can have a strong level 4 experience off of only 2-2.5g. If she took 7g, especially for her first time, it would not have turned out very good at all.

Find out how your body reacts to a low dose first then gradually increase the dosage over several trips to get where you want.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #25494053 - 09/27/18 08:06 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Rather dangerous. That's a very strong dosage.

I would get yourself familiar with how mushrooms operate first by taking a dose of 2 grams to 3.5g if you're feeling on the heavier end. You could even take a microdose to start to make sure your body reacts properly, to find your personal sensitvity. There's no reason to do 7g right away, I would advice against it. Remember every mushroom is a different potency as well, so it's just safer to test your mushrooms at a lower level first, most people would never dare to take 7g let alone if it is a species other than Cubensis, it could be extremely overwhelming.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: motifaded]
    #25494103 - 09/27/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I still haven't had a trip you guys talk about from 1.5 grams when I'm on 12g.

I'm persistant though and I'll get there. Just makes me invest more and has given me a hobby to take up. I've never had something I enjoy doing this much. Great learning experience with Agar and cultivation.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: CosmicMan]
    #25504457 - 10/01/18 07:25 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

My head is in the game... Im taking 7 grams of dried shrooms October 12th ill report back how it went on the following Sunday After this Insane Trip Its gonna be one hell of a fucking ride. :mushroom2:

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    #25504466 - 10/01/18 07:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Psilocybin ≠ thc, if you think that cannabis has prepared you for a 7g mushroom dose you are in for the surprise of your life  :scaryshroom:



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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Inflaton]
    #25504483 - 10/01/18 07:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

100% October 13th ill report back and tell all of you how it went

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    #25504489 - 10/01/18 07:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Lets Hope I am... Btw Im eating golden Emperor Shrooms for more Info.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: hejAdig999]
    #25504508 - 10/01/18 07:36 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Not trolling Asking for advise before I attempt this dose, I feel i am mentally prepared for this journey to experience the full peak of my consciousness. Cheers :thumbup:

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    #25504533 - 10/01/18 07:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Wanna thank everyone for your great advise but Something in my mind is telling me I need to truly experience this trip at this high of a dose my first time. Hope you all have a great October for I will create another thread for the aftermath of my trip.

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    #25504740 - 10/01/18 09:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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100% October 13th ill report back and tell all of you how it went




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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted] * 1
    #25505108 - 10/02/18 01:54 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ok sure man, I've given my advice. Safe travels and make sure to give an update


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    #25505127 - 10/02/18 02:16 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Wow. Please please please consider that 7 g is a truly insane dose. I had done mushrooms 4 times from a gram to about an eighth, and two good hits of acid on a couple occasions, and my first 4+ g trip kicked my ass. I mean, I was fine in four hours, but you can really lose your mind on high doses.

Like, just tensing up all over and jaw clenching and bizarre alien/other dimensional imagery and a fucked up body high and all of my senses as distorted as can be. Also that psychedelic perspective change where you’re really not yourself and start to genuinely, genuinely panic that you’ve done too much or will have a hard time becoming human again. I know that I saw one of my best friends in a smapchat I got during that trip and could not recognize him remotely with all of the melting and memory problems. I also couldn’t understand English at one point and even music became uncomfortably distorted, reading becomes a struggle, huge feelings of guilt, levels of psychedelic weirdness that I really can’t describe.

I’m not saying a good experience is impossible, but it’s unlikely.Some people do handle their mushies better than others, but if you aren’t familiar with the psychedelic experiencd, this is such a reckless and bad way to find out. Time can really drag out, and if you have one of those psychotic trips without having gone there on a normal/slightly high dose then you could seriously have a horrible and long lasting time. There’s good sides to it, but there’s also some shit about it that is best to approach cautiously, ie NOT doing 7 fucking grams before you know whether or not you like even the light effect of the drug.

An eighth will be plenty if you want to try a strong dose of mushrooms. 7 g is practically an overdose, in the way some would describe 400+ ug acid, except this substance just gets more confusing and otherworldly in my experience. You can’t be ready for it, so I’m really recommending go easy on it. You’ll be glad you did

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: jdawg333]
    #25505432 - 10/02/18 07:27 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

His mind is made up, if he refuses to listen he gets to learn the hard way. Or he can come back and tell all of us to fuck off if he has a good time.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: hejAdig999]
    #25505473 - 10/02/18 07:57 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Lol I told y'all he just wanted reassurance people are so predictable, just let him have his experience just because you can't handle it doesn't mean he can't.


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    #25506112 - 10/02/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Looking forward to the trip report.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25506706 - 10/02/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

7 is a lot for a first time. 3.5 is good to start out and then based on how you feel move to 5.

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    #25507366 - 10/02/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I did 3.5 my first time. Right now 7g is my regular dose.
Enjoy OP, don't overthink it and create expectations

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    #25507400 - 10/02/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

2g of liberty caps was my first dose and was excellent. Maybe in my previous posts I may be overreacting. I'm more used to liberty caps which are generally far more potent than cubes generally.
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    #25507814 - 10/02/18 10:35 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

i did 5g cubes my first time. had a great time, other than a slight difficulty in keeping my laughter to quiet giggles so i didn't disturb the roommates.

despite the amount i didn't get much in the way of visuals, just a bit of distortion and colors looking properly colorful. in fact, the first memory i have is when i was around 6 or 7 years old and wondering why everything seemed so dull, where all the color had gone. when i tripped the first time suddenly everything looked much richer in color, but not in a weird way... more like a computer screen that had it's saturation value turned up to the proper level.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted] * 3
    #25507822 - 10/02/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Im taking 7 grams of dried shrooms October 12th I'll report back how it went on the following Sunday After this Insane Trip Its gonna be one hell of a fucking ride.




I'm curious - why seven grams in particular?

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I feel i am mentally prepared for this journey to experience the full peak of my consciousness.




Just be aware that mushrooms are a lot more powerful than you may reasonably expect. One of the first realizations that comes from expanding your consciousness from a high dose is often an "oh shit"  feeling that you took too much, that you are being punished for your stupidity or lack of respect. Like it says in one of my trip journals where I took a bit too much - "they just dropped this hallucination on me like an atom bomb and walked off and said I had to deal with it by myself".

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My Location is going to be alone with NO distractions, while listening to music.

what are your thoughts?




That sounds like a good setting for a heavy trip. You want somewhere where you can sit and lie down in comfort without being disturbed. I always trip to music on headphones; remember that the music will strongly influence your mood so choose a playlist carefully - it can really fuck with your mind if tracks are chosen randomly or the mood of the music is unsuitable for tripping.

Assuming your mushrooms are respectably potent, you can expect to be overwhelmed by the trip in one way or another. You may find that the trip is spellbindingly amazing at first, until it isn't, and the intensity climbs past the point you are comfortable with and steadily increases until you get a skin-crawling feeling of imminent doom...

Or possibly the trip will just suddenly snuff out your regular consciousness leaving you reeling in some kind of internal voyage through fractal mayhem, leaving you trying to piece the trip together several hours later.

Or maybe your enthusiasm and lack of anxiety from any previous trips will override any fear and you will think the whole thing is great....

I don't know what will happen, but from my experience of high doses, the onset is often close to what people think  of as a bad trip - anxiety bordering on panic, and an intensity that is very hard to take. It can take quite a few trips before you learn not to recoil from the intensity, to embrace the insanity, to accept what is coming.

:scaryshroom:

A few pointers -

1) Body load / Physical discomfort. Don't be alarmed if the trip feels surprisingly physical. It can feel like your whole body is weighed down by the pressure of the trip, or buzzing with energy, and you may get some physical discomfort and weird sensations that are hard to figure out. Don't let this bother you or panic you into thinking something is wrong - part of the effect of the shrooms is to disorient you and make you feel slightly weird in your own skin during the onset.

2) Negative emotions: You bought the ticket; take the ride. Don't be surprised if your emotions swing into negative territory at some point. Why did you do this? Something has gone horribly wrong. What are you doing with your life to end up like this? Your whole life is an empty facade in a hostile universe........ but don't worry, because the trip is just fucking with you. Sometimes the best way to deal with the self-recrimination is just to say "fuck it, this is who I am" and with that kind of acceptance comes the relief that you've just been tripping yourself out into a negative spiral of thought, and now you feel fine again....

3) Go with the flow: A good way to adjust to the trip during the come-up is to close your eyes, feel the glowing three-dimensional realms of your closed-eye-visuals draw you in, and let yourself fall into the trip. Don't resist the pull of the trip when it does this - let yourself sink into a kind of dream-state for a minute or two and then you will snap back to reality. It helps you to feel more comfortable in the tripping headspace - otherwise the trip becomes like an "elephant in the room" - an overwhelming force you are trying to resist, knowing it will eventually swallow you up.

:peak:

4) Delusions: When people say a trip is "insane" they often literally mean it. Sudden realizations of immense importance. A cast iron certainty that you can sense the alien beings just behind the curtain of reality. You have become God. You understand all the immensely complicated secrets of the universe. Congratulations! You have crossed the threshold of insanity and are now officially delusional. You are explaining to me how we are all dead and living in a computer simulation controlled by alien superbeings and I'm just smiling and nodding.

5) Don't move. If you planned to stay in your room, stay there (apart from bathroom visits, obviously). Don't randomly decide to wander off and talk to strangers about the amazing discoveries in point 4. No matter how insane things get in your trip, everything will be fine if you just keep to yourself and listen to your music like you originally planned.

6) Head for the eye of the storm: It can feel as though there is a dark, sinister element to the trip that you want to avoid, some kind of malign intelligence you want to hide from, some obliterating force that makes you want to cringe in a corner of your mind and hope it goes away. This element of the trip, the part you fear, is exactly where you need to be headed. It is a sign you are on the right track - don't fight it, let it engulf you, which brings us to the next point:

7) If it all gets too much: At some point a heavy trip is likely to make you think "fuck this, I can't handle this intensity any more". Well.. you don't have to. It's a mistake to try and "handle" this kind of trip at all. Just lie back and let it take over. It might seem vicious, it might seem hostile, it might seem like the end of all things, that you will die if you let go.... but it's just your own mind you are fighting. Surrender to the trip and things will rapidly get easier.

:awecid:

8) It does get easier: If the onset is harsh and the trip is heavy, then providing you don't spend the whole trip resisting its effects, you should find that once the trip has peaked it becomes much more euphoric and enjoyable. You get a sense of accomplishment and you can "ride" the trip back down to baseline on a wave of euphoria. But a word of caution - if the dose is really heavy you will still be highly delusional at this point and you can spend the next few hours trying to untangle the truth out of your insane theories about the universe, which is frustrating and mentally exhausting and you miss out somewhat on the beauty of the trip.

9) Keep a sense of humor. One thing that helps in a trip is the ability to laugh at what is happening, even when things are really difficult. Sometimes at the lowest point, the absurdity of it all makes you smile and you feel like yourself again. Remember to enjoy the trip and don't take it, or yourself, too seriously.

Well, good vibes and good luck. It's true to some extent that "if you don't feel like you too much, you didn't take enough" or whatever Terence McKenna said, but then he seemed to think 5g was the right kind of dose for the full experience. 7g is 40% more, all of which will be adding to the intensity. The people saying "don't take seven grams" are speaking from experience and know what the intensity of a heavy trip can be like, so they are just trying to look out for you. Which brings me to the final point:

10) You are not alone: A heavy trip can sometimes feel like you are shipwrecked on a island of doom in an ocean of madness. Never fear! You are not the first person to experience this, and you will not be the last. Just smile to yourself and think "they told me it might be like this" and treat the whole thing as a glorious adventure across the seas of consciousness to a continent of weirdness and into the jungles of your own mind..

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #25509715 - 10/03/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome advice above.

The OP will do well in remembering it during the trip.

The biggest risk of a bad trip is to end up with some PTSD like symptoms from a horrible experience that can take weeks to resolve. Remembering a few of the points above can help avoid that in a bad trip scenario.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Inflaton]
    #25510518 - 10/03/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that's probably the most solid advice one could give another before tripping for the first time :smile:


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    #25511123 - 10/04/18 07:26 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Let's be right the worst thing that can happen is you have a bad time for a few hours. Personally I would rather ease into it but hey it's your body, do what you want

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    #25530862 - 10/11/18 08:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Tomorrow I am going to experience my first ever heroic shroom Trip. Wish Me Luck Its gonna be one hell of a fucking ride. :mushroom2:

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25532854 - 10/12/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah dude 7gs for your 1st time is bad idea try 2 or 3 grams 1st. Especially your 1st time. Mushrooms like to be respected an tooken seriously. An they will mentality fuck you hard especially when your not used to mushrooms. Iv seen people lose it on 2 grams.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Slightly stupid]
    #25532956 - 10/12/18 06:27 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I did 8 grams before and I freaked out. My siblings had to take care of me and I pissed myself.

At times it was beautiful, like when I sat on a river under a willow tree with a wise old man and learned to accept death. Other times it was horrifing, like when I got arrested by an alien swat team. Witch taught me something about my subconscious fears.

Before that trip I had struggled a lot with serious suicidal thoughts. Since then taking my own life has lost it's allure. I still get those thoughts sometime, but they don't seem legitimate anymore.

It was sort of a traumatic experience that took me a while to come to terms with, but I definitely don't regret it.

Lots of people will tell you not to eat that many without prior experience. I'd say there's no experience that can prepare you for something like that. If you wanna do it, stay safe and all power to you. But know that it will probably change your life forever.


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    #25532989 - 10/12/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

If you're like I was, and you've been listening to Terrance Mckenna say that the "danger isn't in taking too much, it's in taking too little", know that he isn't wrong. The experience comes in layers, certian effects don't manifest themselves without a sufficient dose. With 7g you'll almost certainly experience true ego dissolution. Everything you know about yourself, your hopes, dreams, loves, hates, deepest fears, will all unravel. It could be enlightening, it could be traumatic, maybe a bit of both. If you do it, try to remember that you aren't going to die and you will return to sanity. Don't resist the experience and let it show you whatever it's gonna show you, even if it's something you don't want to see. Keep doing research on what to expect.

The great Roberto trip 7g

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25534453 - 10/13/18 12:35 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I can't listen to music on a high dose usually. Maybe the Ghosts album by Nine Inch Nails.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25534610 - 10/13/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.

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    #25534652 - 10/13/18 02:06 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.



Sounds like a personal problem you have there. Don't blame the mushrooms or the dose. It was you that gave them that dose in an unsafe environment. The mushrooms and the dose weren't the problem. Who the hell doses someone inexperienced like that in a dangerous place where they could run outside and get frostbite?

Your story in no way indicates the dose itself is dangerous, only your poor judgement.

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    #25534689 - 10/13/18 02:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.



Sounds like a personal problem you have there. Don't blame the mushrooms or the dose. It was you that gave them that dose in an unsafe environment. The mushrooms and the dose weren't the problem. Who the hell doses someone inexperienced like that in a dangerous place where they could run outside and get frostbite?

Your story in no way indicates the dose itself is dangerous, only your poor judgement.




I am sorry but it is you that has the personal problem. That is shown by your response. He was a grown man and what he did he did to himself. furthermore, it was the shrooms and the dose how ignorant of a response. Do you think 1 gram would have done the same thing? They both wanted to do the dose I was doing and I said no. I put this out there as a warning but I guess some people are too stupid to realize that. As a matter of fact, I think you may have done 1 shroom to many. Idiot!!

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    #25534708 - 10/13/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.




The lesson here is not that 5 to 7 grams is not a good idea, the lesson here is that someone should've kept an eye on him and not let him wander off, or if he wanted to walk somewhere to go with him to keep an eye on him. As a provider of Psychedelics to people, you have the responsibility of keeping people out of harms way and helping them if needed, even at the expense of your own experience, which is one reason i take my Psychedelics by myself so i only need to look after me, myself and i lol. Had that event been approached a bit differently, i'm pretty sure the outcome wouldn't have been the same. Also i recommend beginners who wanna take a high dosage to mix in 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea with their mushrooms so that they have a smoother experience, also having Tobacco around can help bring you out of things a bit ime, whereas Cannabis takes you deeper. Some Syrian Rue in the mix would be helpful too, for grounding and bringing more of an ancient/Entheogenic feel to things, Psilohuasca they call it, worth checking out.


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    #25534722 - 10/13/18 02:48 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Also it should be noted that Aya is my Psychedelic of choice, and i gave it to this one girl i know who wanted to try it, gave her the same dosages i was using, added in 4 grams of Lemon Balm because i like Lemon Balm and it helps smooth things out, and she handled both of her experiences very well, for the most part, there was a bathroom incident, but aside from that, mentally she did very well for never having taken a Psychedelic before and taking a good dosage of Aya. I gave another friend of mine who also never had a Psychedelic before, some Aya about a year into my experimentation, didn't know about the Lemon Balm then though so he got the full raw force of the Aya and while he too handled it very well, it was definitely intense for him compared to the girl i gave it to with the Lemon Balm in the mix. Maybe with mushrooms it's a bit different because DMT is generally more clearheaded, but i do think the Lemon Balm helped a lot in the girls case.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sabnock]
    #25534778 - 10/13/18 03:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.




The lesson here is not that 5 to 7 grams is not a good idea, the lesson here is that someone should've kept an eye on him and not let him wander off, or if he wanted to walk somewhere to go with him to keep an eye on him. As a provider of Psychedelics to people, you have the responsibility of keeping people out of harms way and helping them if needed, even at the expense of your own experience, which is one reason i take my Psychedelics by myself so i only need to look after me, myself and i lol. Had that event been approached a bit differently, i'm pretty sure the outcome wouldn't have been the same. Also i recommend beginners who wanna take a high dosage to mix in 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea with their mushrooms so that they have a smoother experience, also having Tobacco around can help bring you out of things a bit ime, whereas Cannabis takes you deeper. Some Syrian Rue in the mix would be helpful too, for grounding and bringing more of an ancient/Entheogenic feel to things, Psilohuasca they call it, worth checking out.




I agree that things should have been done differently. I grew the mushrooms myself and had no idea they were that strong. But my whole point was 5 grams was way too much he was snapping in and out of reality. I don't think any of us would consider that a good trip. He was in a constant case of pure fear. I was scared for him, but no one could rationalize with him or calm him down. As soon as I went to the bathroom he took off because he knew I would not let him go. I don't want anyone to go through something as traumatic as this man wet through so I suggest to the OP be careful and do not underestimate the power of shrooms.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sabnock]
    #25534802 - 10/13/18 03:28 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Also it should be noted that Aya is my Psychedelic of choice, and i gave it to this one girl i know who wanted to try it, gave her the same dosages i was using, added in 4 grams of Lemon Balm because i like Lemon Balm and it helps smooth things out, and she handled both of her experiences very well, for the most part, there was a bathroom incident, but aside from that, mentally she did very well for never having taken a Psychedelic before and taking a good dosage of Aya. I gave another friend of mine who also never had a Psychedelic before, some Aya about a year into my experimentation, didn't know about the Lemon Balm then though so he got the full raw force of the Aya and while he too handled it very well, it was definitely intense for him compared to the girl i gave it to with the Lemon Balm in the mix. Maybe with mushrooms it's a bit different because DMT is generally more clearheaded, but i do think the Lemon Balm helped a lot in the girls case.





This is my first post, but I just had to say this: 99% of your posts are about the same thing and keep referring to “Lemon Balm” being the greatest thing to ever come into your life. It is rather weird that you keep posting about this, it is an obsession.  Not sure, but can’t you make a post that isn’t repetitive and mentions Lemon Balm? No offence intended.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25534807 - 10/13/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I ended up taking the 7 grams last night and it hit me hard AF 20 minutes later the come up anxiety was unreal, i had a really traumatic experience in that first hour of taking all the shrooms very unsettling. It shot me up in a tunnel at hyper speed and at the 1:30 minute mark I had to throw up, threw up alot of the shrooms but when I finally let go and gave in to this evil trip. It was definitely a experience I wasn't ready for and Do i regret it Not at all but if i didnt throw up I was probably on the edge of suicide NO JOKE.
Some of the aspects of the trip after reflecting on it were pretty cool like an insane roller coaster ride. Wish i would have had weed probably would have calmed me down instead of that insane rising come-up. The lesson learned here is start with 2 grams and work your way up or your going to be in for a traumatic experience trapped in your own psyche. 
Ill do a trip report eventually its just taking me along time to integrate rn.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Geometric Waves]
    #25534898 - 10/13/18 04:21 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes i repeat it a lot, because people should know, Lemon Balm works wonders and would really help out in reducing some of the risks for beginners, if it can reduce the intensity and overwhelming nature of oral DMT/Aya and smooth out the come up reducing the risk of a bad trip, then Lemon Balm with mushrooms will be a piece of cake, i mention Lemon Balm as part of harm reduction, it's about being safe and trying not to get overwhelmed. But i do also talk about other things too.

Also i repeat a lot of what i've said to newbies because they don't know about it. Plus i have Autism, repetitive is kind of in my nature when it comes to some things lol.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25534914 - 10/13/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:But my whole point was 5 grams was way too much he was snapping in and out of reality. I don't think any of us would consider that a good trip. He was in a constant case of pure fear. I was scared for him, but no one could rationalize with him or calm him down. As soon as I went to the bathroom he took off because he knew I would not let him go. I don't want anyone to go through something as traumatic as this man wet through so I suggest to the OP be careful and do not underestimate the power of shrooms.




That's normal though, snapping in and out of "reality", you're supposed to be undergoing an internal journey/experience, every now and then you come to and then go right back into it, it's normal. The fear is also normal, but one needs to be able to calm down, breathe, work through it, let go/surrender/give in, once you learn how to release, the fear goes away and you're able to immerse yourself into the experience. I've had many overwhelming, fearful, panicy, and terrifying experiences, but as soon as i released and let go of the fear, things turned around for the better. The thing is that people need to know the basics and realize that this stuff is powerful and they need to be able to handle themselves. But yes, proper precautions and safety and approach need to be taken before consuming Psychedelics no matter the dosage. 5 grams of mushrooms for me personally ain't no thing, oral DMT is way more intense, but i can understand where some might get "too out there" with 5 grams so that's why i definitely recommend the Lemon Balm to keep things smooth and relaxed.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25534927 - 10/13/18 04:36 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I ended up taking the 7 grams last night and it hit me hard AF 20 minutes later the come up anxiety was unreal, i had a really traumatic experience in that first hour of taking all the shrooms very unsettling. It shot me up in a tunnel at hyper speed and at the 1:30 minute mark I had to throw up, threw up alot of the shrooms but when I finally let go and gave in to this evil trip. It was definitely a experience I wasn't ready for and Do i regret it Not at all but if i didnt throw up I was probably on the edge of suicide NO JOKE.
Some of the aspects of the trip after reflecting on it were pretty cool like an insane roller coaster ride. Wish i would have had weed probably would have calmed me down instead of that insane rising come-up. The lesson learned here is start with 2 grams and work your way up or your going to be in for a traumatic experience trapped in your own psyche. 
Ill do a trip report eventually its just taking me along time to integrate rn.




Once again, why the basics of Psychedelics need to be researched, and once again why i recommend Lemon Balm. Cannabis may have helped you relax, i smoke Cannabis during my experiences, but it does potentiate things and can increase the anxiety and paranoia and fear, Lemon Balm on the other hand reduces intensity, fear, panic, anxiety, and smooths/relaxes the intense come up (even with higher dosages of Psychedelics), great for beginners. Throwing up helps too if feeling overwhelmed. Also yes, giving into/embracing/immersing yourself into the experience, not fighting or resisting it, but letting go will turn a horrifying moment into a very positive and divine rest of the experience, the fear can be dreadful but if you can just release, things turn around for the better.

2 grams is good for beginner, but it's still a bit light imo, nothing wrong with taking 2 grams, but i'm a believer in the full experience, even for a beginner, hence the Lemon Balm. Tobacco also helps for grounding ime, whereas Cannabis just makes things stronger.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sabnock]
    #25534937 - 10/13/18 04:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Also just wanna add, don't ever let a horrible experience keep you from further Psychedelic experimentation, just lower the dosage a bit next time, get back on that horse and ride on. Don't let a "bad trip" scare you away. Persevere, find your courage and go at it, at least i did, and it was the best time of my life (my Aya experimentation).


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    #25534943 - 10/13/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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SHROOMSISAY01 said:But my whole point was 5 grams was way too much he was snapping in and out of reality. I don't think any of us would consider that a good trip. He was in a constant case of pure fear. I was scared for him, but no one could rationalize with him or calm him down. As soon as I went to the bathroom he took off because he knew I would not let him go. I don't want anyone to go through something as traumatic as this man wet through so I suggest to the OP be careful and do not underestimate the power of shrooms.




That's normal though, snapping in and out of "reality", you're supposed to be undergoing an internal journey/experience, every now and then you come to and then go right back into it, it's normal. The fear is also normal, but one needs to be able to calm down, breathe, work through it, let go/surrender/give in, once you learn how to release, the fear goes away and you're able to immerse yourself into the experience. I've had many overwhelming, fearful, panicy, and terrifying experiences, but as soon as i released and let go of the fear, things turned around for the better. The thing is that people need to know the basics and realize that this stuff is powerful and they need to be able to handle themselves. But yes, proper precautions and safety and approach need to be taken before consuming Psychedelics no matter the dosage. 5 grams of mushrooms for me personally ain't no thing, oral DMT is way more intense, but i can understand where some might get "too out there" with 5 grams so that's why i definitely recommend the Lemon Balm to keep things smooth and relaxed.




No I have never seen anything like this when I say snapping in and out I mean he would not be there. I have done an ounce of penis envy and never done that. I have also done 80 mg of 4-HO-MIPT that was intense for sure. I have also done DMT but did not break through but I had a gnome threatening me for about 10 minutes on that trip. Anyway, He was in a different reality in his mind and then would come back.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #25534956 - 10/13/18 04:51 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

A friend of mine said he went non-responsive for a couple hours while on Psilohuasca his first time i think it was, if that's what you're referring to as not there. Yeah probably just absorbed/immersed fully into the experience and being in a completely different place mentally, unaware of this reality, idk, i've never had that happen either, i've always been aware of both my internal and external worlds.

I do think admixture plants can help with that. The reason i talk about Lemon Balm a lot for example, is because it was through Lemon Balm and Aya that i learned about the huge potential for admixture plants/oils/compounds with the Aya (and other Psychedelics) and how you can alter/flavor things more to your liking rather than undergoing the raw/basic experience, and potentially reduce some of the undesirable effects/reactions. So there's a lot of unexplored potential there, especially with mushrooms, whereas with something like Aya at least there's some admixture plant experimentation that's gone on, but i truly feel like using admixture plants would make the experience more user-friendly and more usable by the majority of people who are concerned or worried/nervous/anxious about some of the more undesirable effects.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25535582 - 10/13/18 10:08 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I ended up taking the 7 grams last night and it hit me hard AF 20 minutes later the come up anxiety was unreal, i had a really traumatic experience in that first hour of taking all the shrooms very unsettling. It shot me up in a tunnel at hyper speed and at the 1:30 minute mark I had to throw up, threw up alot of the shrooms but when I finally let go and gave in to this evil trip. It was definitely a experience I wasn't ready for and Do i regret it Not at all but if i didnt throw up I was probably on the edge of suicide NO JOKE.
Some of the aspects of the trip after reflecting on it were pretty cool like an insane roller coaster ride. Wish i would have had weed probably would have calmed me down instead of that insane rising come-up. The lesson learned here is start with 2 grams and work your way up or your going to be in for a traumatic experience trapped in your own psyche. 
Ill do a trip report eventually its just taking me along time to integrate rn.



So the 4 pages of people telling you that this is exactly what would happen or worse wasn't enough to convince you that maybe it wasn't a good idea?

You made it impossible to be sympathetic to you and you deserved this 1,000,000%.

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    #25535909 - 10/14/18 03:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25535931 - 10/14/18 04:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I ended up taking the 7 grams last night and it hit me hard AF 20 minutes later the come up anxiety was unreal, i had a really traumatic experience in that first hour of taking all the shrooms very unsettling. It shot me up in a tunnel at hyper speed and at the 1:30 minute mark I had to throw up, threw up alot of the shrooms but when I finally let go and gave in to this evil trip. It was definitely a experience I wasn't ready for and Do i regret it Not at all but if i didnt throw up I was probably on the edge of suicide NO JOKE.
Some of the aspects of the trip after reflecting on it were pretty cool like an insane roller coaster ride. Wish i would have had weed probably would have calmed me down instead of that insane rising come-up. The lesson learned here is start with 2 grams and work your way up or your going to be in for a traumatic experience trapped in your own psyche. 
Ill do a trip report eventually its just taking me along time to integrate rn.




Lol yep :facepalm: I'm sure it was an incredibly humbling experience. Hope you learned from it.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Psicomb]
    #25536312 - 10/14/18 09:34 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

My Trip Report is now out... It was one literal HELL of a RIDE

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25536396 - 10/14/18 10:11 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Well now you know, it's unlikely to ever get any worse than "the silent darkness repeating loop of death"

And you learned something about yourself. It doesn't mean you aren't tough. Just means shrooms can be kinda brutal and kicked your ass. 
Maybe that is an indicator the lemon balm was a good idea? You now realize that you may have suicidal thoughts as a reaction to psychedelics. That's pretty scary man, it happens to some people. Not anyone I know, but I know there's people out there that react this way. I'd say it may be extra important for you in the future, knowing you may react that way, to make sure the set and setting is right.

It was a cool trip report though. There's WAY more potential than just scary trips at that dose though.

Reminds me of my brother's first time breaking through/ego death on salvia. I tried to warn him "this isn't mushrooms or acid, man"

He kept going on and on about how he's tried acid and shrooms and all these other drugs so many times. As always we made sure he was safe during the trip. Came out of that feeling reborn and appreciating life more than ever. I like high doses with other people, because no matter what I'm feeling or experiencing, I know I have to take care of the people around me, so I don't worry nearly as much about myself as if I were alone.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25536542 - 10/14/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

The rough trips are the hardest to appreciate but they teach the most.

Letting go of ego can literally feel like death, your ego will make you think submitting will make you stay this way or that submission is the same as physical death.
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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: bishlap]
    #25536593 - 10/14/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

no you shoudnt

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    #25536672 - 10/14/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Geometric Waves]
    #25536677 - 10/14/18 12:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

dude 7 grams of mushrooms your first time sounds stupid af

they told me to take fucking 3.5 grams my first time and that was more than enough to make me take a piss in the corner of my parents basements living room

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    #25536731 - 10/14/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I think you skipped the part where they went ahead and took it anyway and had an overwhelming trip where they contemplated suicide.


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    #25536739 - 10/14/18 12:44 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Even a good dry heave gets me settled in. I usually have a couple beers in me too so the stomach churning can have a negative effect.

I think I'll switch to Lemon Balm. I woulda grown some this summer if I had known sooner. Maybe I can get some growing indoors.


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    #25536748 - 10/14/18 12:47 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Even a good dry heave gets me settled in. I usually have a couple beers in me too so the stomach churning can have a negative effect.

I think I'll switch to Lemon Balm. I woulda grown some this summer if I had known sooner. Maybe I can get some growing indoors.




That's the Spirit! :smile:

Yeah Lemon Balm is awesome, i'm glad i stumbled upon it. I had some growing awhile back but i need to grow some more. 3 to 4 grams, 4 grams usually, of the Lemon Balm works wonders for smoothing out the come up, i'd definitely recommend it over beer for sure.


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    #25536755 - 10/14/18 12:49 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I think you skipped the part where they went ahead and took it anyway and had an overwhelming trip where they contemplated suicide.




I contemplate suicide in my daily life lol, never once took a Psychedelic (even a high dosage) and thought to myself "i wanna kill myself" lol. Sure i've thought about how sad life is, and how i don't really have anything going on for me because society sucks and people suck, but taking a Psychedelic for me anyways, the last thing on my mind during an experience is killing myself lol. I never understood how people could start thinking about suicide because they feel some ass kicking intensity, just relax/calm down/let go/breathe or throw up or use some trip killers/reducers, imo.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25536803 - 10/14/18 01:09 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok 7 grams I would say NO NO NO NO NO. I gave my nephew and his friend 5 grams each and I took 10. About a 1/2 hour later my nephew's friend we will call him Roger was slumped over in the sink so I pulled him up and looked in his eyes and no one was there. I took him and sat him on the couch and every 5 minutes or so he would set up and say OK I'm back. Then he was pointing at the ceiling saying OH OH OH OH. Then he said he needed fresh air and we went on the front porch. He started swatting at things that weren't there. I left him with my nephew to use the bathroom and when I came back he was gone. They found him in someone's front yard the next morning asleep in a foot of snow with frostbite on his fingers and toes. So for the above reason, I am a definite NO on 7 grams the 1st time. You need to learn your tolerance 1st. Still, you have no idea how potent the shrooms you have are.



Sounds like a personal problem you have there. Don't blame the mushrooms or the dose. It was you that gave them that dose in an unsafe environment. The mushrooms and the dose weren't the problem. Who the hell doses someone inexperienced like that in a dangerous place where they could run outside and get frostbite?

Your story in no way indicates the dose itself is dangerous, only your poor judgement.




But it's not the dose honest Necropolis says so!! That cracks me up newbies shouldn't be able to post on here.

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    #25536808 - 10/14/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I had a serious freak out on ibogaine, thinking I was going to be trapped in some machinery or paralyzed and thought suicide might save me. So there's that.

And I see Lemon Balm is in the mint family. I can't keep mint from growing in my garden. Might not be too hard indoors. The chill has arrived.


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    #25538791 - 10/15/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I had a serious freak out on ibogaine, thinking I was going to be trapped in some machinery or paralyzed and thought suicide might save me. So there's that.

And I see Lemon Balm is in the mint family. I can't keep mint from growing in my garden. Might not be too hard indoors. The chill has arrived.



I can't imagine getting suicidal over any psychedelics. Maybe it's experience, I don't know. But it seems the harder I trip, the more I want to survive it and appreciate the rest of the time I've got on this planet. No illusion is going to make me want to stop being appreciative. Worst thing is, if one day my body can't handle it, and it physically kills me or induces a panic attack, and that kills me. But panic is one thing nobody should ever do in any situation. You learn from it, but you shouldn't do it.

I want to try growing iboga. Such a valuable plant you'd think they would've made more effort to have it growing all over the US despite it being illegal.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25539255 - 10/15/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Hopefully this thread doesnt get deleted since every other one ive had to redue!

So.. im here to ask a question about doing shrooms for the first time
Im tempted to take the full 7 grams would that be expectable considering Ive smoked weed for 8 years?

My Location is going to be alone with NO distractions, while listening to music.

what are your thoughts?




This line of thinking is akin to stating a budget rather than a business goal.

First you should ask yourself what you want to achieve.

Then ask, yourself how much it might take to achieve it.

Enjoy, regardless.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Necropolis]
    #25539468 - 10/15/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I had a serious freak out on ibogaine, thinking I was going to be trapped in some machinery or paralyzed and thought suicide might save me. So there's that.

And I see Lemon Balm is in the mint family. I can't keep mint from growing in my garden. Might not be too hard indoors. The chill has arrived.



I can't imagine getting suicidal over any psychedelics. Maybe it's experience, I don't know. But it seems the harder I trip, the more I want to survive it and appreciate the rest of the time I've got on this planet. No illusion is going to make me want to stop being appreciative. Worst thing is, if one day my body can't handle it, and it physically kills me or induces a panic attack, and that kills me. But panic is one thing nobody should ever do in any situation. You learn from it, but you shouldn't do it.

I want to try growing iboga. Such a valuable plant you'd think they would've made more effort to have it growing all over the US despite it being illegal.



I've done plenty of LSD and shrooms, I've been around for a while. I took the ibo trying to get right from dope, but I went into it full junky spiral insanity. Very bad set and setting.

That would be something worth growing for sure. I ordered seeds once but they never sprouted.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Inflaton]
    #25539750 - 10/15/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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people keep posting on this giving dude advice but he hasn't said anything since the first post im assuming he doesn't care what we say one way or another hes going to do what he does.




Lol I hope he does take those freaking 7g after all this hassle :lol:


x2 on that fuck it op take the 7 grams lol but dont say we dint warn you go big or go him i say.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: MrLifted]
    #25540097 - 10/15/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I think you know yourself best, but it doesn't hurt to ease into it by starting with small doses first so you can feel things out.

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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: ReneDescartes]
    #25540136 - 10/15/18 06:29 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

When's your next trip scheduled OP? (It's a joke).

Some day you will. And you'll know that you came out fine last time. Okay? Okay.

You did it though, you saw some entities, that was pretty brave. And you learned something. Be good. And have some self confidence in your daily life now. Attitude and respect. And be humble. It's real magic after all.


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Re: Should I Try 7 Grams Of Shrooms My First Time? [Re: Sellith]
    #25540359 - 10/15/18 08:04 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Should've tried the 4 gram Lemon Balm leaf tea, i'm tellin' ya, lol.


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