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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: SirTripAlot]
#25768272 - 01/25/19 04:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Like I stated, I am a pacifist now. I have had my fill of violence.
Bullshit. Are nazis in 2019 a real threat or aren't they? You have the moral imperative to act, man.
What's with the ruse?
I was just being hyperbolic because I thought you were being hyperbolic
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#25768285 - 01/25/19 04:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: Defending "Nazis" doing what exactly?
I will defend everybody's right to free speech even if I find it extremely offensive, can you say the same?
If someone calls my gf a nigger, I will beat the shit out of them.
If someone calls themselves a Nazi (white nigger), I will do the same.
I get it, you want to physically attack people that identify as a "Nazi", I'm assuming you don't think their right to free speech is worthy to defend.
Nah. I'm not trying to make some kind of bold ideological statement. Morality is subjective, but my ethical code tells me to punch Nazis, and people who call my girlfriend a nigger. If that doesn't sit right with you, that's fine, you have your own code, and Nazis abide by that code just swimmingly, I'm sure.
You're correct, attacking innocent people doesn't sit right with me and the vast majority of people in our society.
There's a place for people that do what you suggest, it's called a prison cell. 
But something tells me this is more about personal frustration with the current set of political circumstances in the US today than actually acting out IRL with those threats.
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: qman]
#25768306 - 01/25/19 05:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: You're correct, attacking innocent people doesn't sit right with me and the vast majority of people in our society.
Only you would argue the innocence of Nazis! lmao!
I will have to adamantly disagree with you though. The majority of people here in the US would see nothing wrong with me beating the shit out of someone for calling my gf a nigger. That's actually par for the course. There's a reason for that.
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There's a place for people that do what you suggest, it's called a prison cell. 
But something tells me this is more about personal frustration with the current set of political circumstances in the US today than actually acting out IRL with those threats.
No. If I see someone sporting a swastica, or calling my gf a nigger, I will beat their ass.
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#25768474 - 01/25/19 06:26 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't care about the Proud Boys. But Gavin was saying to fight the violent authoritarian people that routinely attack them for their views. Isn't that what you advocate?
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#25768485 - 01/25/19 06:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Only you would argue the innocence of Nazis! lmao!
I will have to adamantly disagree with you though. The majority of people here in the US would see nothing wrong with me beating the shit out of someone for calling my gf a nigger. That's actually par for the course. There's a reason for that.
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But something tells me this is more about personal frustration with the current set of political circumstances in the US today than actually acting out IRL with those threats.
No. If I see someone sporting a swastica, or calling my gf a nigger, I will beat their ass.
If the vast majority of people thought it was acceptable for you to beat up people that called your GF a nigger, it still wouldn't be against the law for you to do so.
Your feelings don't trump someone's constitutional rights.
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MagicMush123 said: It didn't look like they were diffusing the situation at all. Why do you believe the native when he claims to have been diffusing the situation but not the kid? Apparently the natives, whatever their intentions were made the situation worse. Instead of instigating, diffusing or marching, they should have just minded their own business and none of this would have happened. To be honest im surprised that the teens didn't behave worse. I really dont understand why you're holding kids to such a high standard but are giving the adults present a free ride
You're right - it didn't diffuse the situation because the kids chose to engage with the Indians. A bad choice for the Indian with the benefit of hindsight.
The natives chose to engage the kids though.... and with hindsight the kids probably wouldn't have chosen to engage them. You know with the multiple threats of death and violence received, calls for doxing, memes created and all over an awkward smile. Adults taunted and egged on some teenagers with racial slurs, and then fully engaged them with a fucking drum. Adults enabled and created this situation. And you're mad at the kids for this, why?
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: qman] 3
#25769009 - 01/25/19 11:29 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your feelings don't trump someone's constitutional rights.
As I said, this isn't some political philosophy. It is part of my sense of morality. I find it immoral to allow people to call my gf a nigger, and I find it immoral to allow Nazis to spread their hate. I don't particularly give a shit what the law says about it, I've literally probably grown 100 lbs of shrooms in my life, and the law never stopped me.
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#25769020 - 01/25/19 11:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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OH MY GOD!
You grew illegal mushrooms?
The Shroomery is a place of law and order. I am shocked that someone here violated federal law. You will be shunned from the community and hopefully deported!
You illegal mycologist.
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Sorry. You lost that argument when you people take their side over the communists. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
And that is the dumbest things you’ve ever said.
So anti-nazis are communists?
Thank you for proving my point.
Seems to be code for it.
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Go get you some nazi scalps 
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'social justice warrior', because I don't like Nazis?
Probably because of your loose definition of a nazi.
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Go get you some nazi scalps 
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'social justice warrior', because I don't like Nazis?
It’s amazing how easy it is to get them to paint them into a corner.
It’s amazing your lack of self awareness.
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Go get you some nazi scalps 
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'social justice warrior', because I don't like Nazis?
No, I'm saying Social Justice Warriors don't know their ass from a hole in the ground... let alone how to discern nuances in right-leaning ideological thought.
Hah! You think right wingers have a 'nuanced' ideology? Do you think 'build the wall' is some intricate, well thought solution, rather than the ramblings of an almost 80 year old retard? Tell me, where is the nuance in right wing ideology?
Left wing ideology is nuanced, and uses science to make decisions, rather than fear. Right wingers use religion, fear, and patriotism to guide them. Not science, and there is nothing nuanced about it.
I feel the same way about SJW's, but I don't really understand how they belong in this conversation at all.
Left wing ideaology DENIES science.
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow]
#25769113 - 01/26/19 12:45 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: ...don't tell us the Indian was trying to agitate the kids by 'banging a drum in their face'. He was actually trying to ease a tense situation between them and the House of Israel by drumming a peace song.
Man you are really dead set on those Hebrew Israelites being Muslims.

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Correct, smiling is not criminal, but it was clearly intended to show disrespect to the Indian.
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Like what? Quote them here.
Watch these kids all doing the Tomahawk Chop. Again, nothing criminal, but clearly derogatory.
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Fuck outta here with that.
No, that's what I said. You shouldn't have to make believe an argument so you can win it. First of all, the Indian (incorrectly) thought he would help diffuse the situation between the kids and the House of Israel, that's why he started drumming. Secondly, the kids could have just ignored him rather than giving Tomahawk Chops. What's up with that?
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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The natives chose to engage the kids though.... and with hindsight the kids probably wouldn't have chosen to engage them. You know with the multiple threats of death and violence received, calls for doxing, memes created and all over an awkward smile.
And I totally agree, all the threats were uncalled for. This was a bunch of kids just being pricks, nothing more.
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After the kids taunted the Indians with the Tomahawk Chop and yelling. Again, nothing criminal, just kids being pricks.
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Now you got me. A knife may have been bad, but the peace drum is the ultimate offensive weapon.
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The tomahawk chop? That’s fucking lame. Should that have been included in their sensitivity training? Oh, my bad. Sensitivity training is not a class in high school or college. Just if you want to work at Starbucks?
I guess these poor kids will not be getting that job at Starbucks. Sucks for them.(sic)
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: lowbrow] 1
#25769147 - 01/26/19 01:01 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not saying the kids should go to jail. I'm saying they were disrespectful, that's all.
If you you see nothing wrong with making fun of Indians, you probably do need a little sensitivity training. 
It certainly wouldn't be tolerated at my company.
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those indians used to eat the losing sides kids and shoot virgins with arrows to make the corn grow
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Konyap]
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You mean the ones in the video did?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You're right - it didn't diffuse the situation because the kids chose to engage with the Indians. A bad choice for the Indian with the benefit of hindsight.
The natives chose to engage the kids though.... and with hindsight the kids probably wouldn't have chosen to engage them. You know with the multiple threats of death and violence received, calls for doxing, memes created and all over an awkward smile.
And I totally agree, all the threats were uncalled for. This was a bunch of kids just being pricks, nothing more.
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After the kids taunted the Indians with the Tomahawk Chop and yelling. Again, nothing criminal, just kids being pricks.
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Now you got me. A knife may have been bad, but the peace drum is the ultimate offensive weapon.
Im not really sure why you have dug your heels in on your position of the natives you can shift your stance when more info comes out. Its okay, we won't think you're weak or anything
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
#25769176 - 01/26/19 01:19 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Im not really sure why you have dug your heels in on your position of the natives you can shift your stance when more info comes out. Its okay, we won't think you're weak or anything
We have evidence that the high schoolers were pricks. The only new evidence that could make me change my mind at this point is if they were forced to be pricks at gunpoint.
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We have evidence that the high schoolers were pricks. The only new evidence that could make me change my mind at this point is if they were forced to be pricks at gunpoint.
idk basically it seems like lately with the last few "debates" you dig your heels in and borderline troll with evasion and semantics. I dont feel like ill engage you anymore because it just gets me nowhere. You just repeat yourself in different ways and its getting pretty old. You dont have to blindly pick sides and stick to them, its stubborn and frankly, i thought you were better than that
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If you you see nothing wrong with making fun of Indians, you probably do need a little sensitivity training. 
It certainly wouldn't be tolerated at my company.
The tomahawk chop is a move in sports, and if you have not been fully initiated into what pisses people off and what doesn’t, it is totally socially acceptable. The tomahawk chop was not used by all the kids but by the time it was the kids had realized that Nathan was being an asshole to them. Smirking kid never did it, he knew what was up.
The real harasser was Nathan Phillips and after all the video evidence that can’t be denied.
But I’m sure somebody will.
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