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jdawg333
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4 grams was insanity
#25481257 - 09/22/18 04:43 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you believe that a threshold heavy dose, like over an eighth but below 5 g, can create a lot of insanity because you don't completely leave reality but still trip balls?
I took what must've been around 4 g dried, and I was not expecting the level of chaos and psychedelic weirdness that I got. I've done sub-3.5 g doses about four times before this, so I just did them in my dorm to sort of 'test' these mushrooms I just bought- cubes, golden teachers. My intent wasn't to do this much, but I didn't want to do too little and have too normal of a time.
In a way it was even crazier than my ~210 ug acid experience about a month back, which was probably the most intense experience of my life in terms of totally losing myself in my mind and experiencing 'everything' and an introduction to 'psychedelic weirdness'- alien shit, distorted voices, feeling like the world was trying to communicate with me, obviously strong strong visuals.
For starters, they kicked in in like 15 minutes. I remember reading a book of Walt Whitman poems right after eating them, and just several poems in I remember feeling that intense intense shrooms high, followed by reading becoming increasingly difficult and nonsensical. Soon I was wandering around the room, strings of nonsensical phrases and sentences like avant-garde poetry just flowing through my head and maybe out loud to myself, lots of made up words and weird combinations.
Soon I looked at the trees outside my dorm window, and just like about an hour into my acid experience the leaves and branches had the look of flowing into themselves and morphing with perfect detail. Soon they were becoming slow moving fractals, and then soon I saw them as laughing, jolly beings tossing their children (branches) around and dancing. Around this point I decided to lay down because it felt like my brain was trying to show me something.
Here I went into an indefinite closed eye trip. I remember very little specifically, but I got the feeling that I was just seeing anything I wanted to see. Weird glowing human moving along tracks of light, a 2 dimensional, light blue face of an infant (kind of like the Teletubbies sun or the gerber baby), and at one point that a needle was being inserted into my chest for a test by a strange being (stereotypical, but I did think this). After a while I was getting a little weirded out and listened to music (the music could've been before this, but I'm not sure) in order to have a more normal trip. After all, I was still in the dorm, and if somebody came looking for me right now I had zero idea how I could interact with them and explain myself.
The music was just as weird and alien as anything. I was listening to some Help! era Beatles, like I Need You by George Harrison, and the harmonies felt like impossibly strange, alien voices. This was accompanied by strange humming, like some monk chanting, below the music. At one point, the horrible stereo mixes started fucking with my brain by rotating in 3 dimensions around my head, and going upwards, and all of that.
Some of the sensations I felt I can't really explain. It was a weird sensation that my brain was tuning into something, and looking around in certain ways felt infinitely satisfying but also very unlike myself. Like the sensation of looking at liquid in containers on my desk was really weird, it was all shifting and I felt like I was controlling it.
I got the feeling that time was going by in a strange way. As in, there was no time. I kept thinking back to the moment I ate the mushroom, and it felt like it wasn't a separate moment or anything but that it may as well have just happened. It was as though I was on a rail in an amusement park ride just moving forward totally against my will, and the mushroom eating was another one of those events that felt like it could've happened a moment ago. Very weird.
Perhaps the scariest part is how much it makes you 'forget'. I totally lost touch with reality on LSD, but as the shrooms got more and more intense I never let myself lose touch with reality, I just wanted to hold on because with how weird the experience was getting I somehow thought that a difficult and fighting trip leads to a much better post-trip experience, whereas losing myself could leave me 'off' for days as with LSD. So I still was very much in reality, but I was losing track of what objects were. My water bottle and lamp were unmistakeably there, but I saw little rainbow shapes like an oil slick between everything and before long I wouldn't be able to tell the objects apart, they could've been each other, one could've been the other, I could be either of them or both of them.
All the while I was hearing the voices of the people on my floor outside (it was Friday night), but their laughing and conversation was impossible to comprehend. It was as if they were no longer speaking English, but some alien language. This wasn't terrifying in itself, but I was very worried that I'd have to interact with them and would cause a scene. I started to think that they were laughing at me, that I had done some strange shit when I left my room and that it was all my fault.
The worst part was having to go out in 'public' on my floor and go to the bathroom what felt like every 10 minutes. Because of how time was acting, it would feel like I was just constantly having to piss. I would go piss, and then in no time I would have to go piss again and it was getting really infuriating because every time I'd chance running into someone and doing some crazy shit. Not to mention it was fucking with how my insides and bladder felt, so I'd get up to go and as I'd be walking it would feel like my bladder was emptying and I had zero idea if I pissed myself or didn't (I didn't). I have nothing against pissing yourself, but thinking you did it in the college dorm hallway is a scary thought.
The trip ended very abruptly after my last piss, I just sat on the couch again expecting the worst but, sure enough, four hours after I ate em and I was completely fine. It wasn't even like the acid, where I had visuals for hours and hours after the 12 hour experience before I slept- I was back to baseline feeling so satisfied and content and grateful. Maybe my theory of a difficult trip being an easy reintegration was right, whereas a super heavy dose leads to a better flowing trip but difficult reintegration. Who knows.
Overall, I think this dose gave me an actual appreciation for the psychedelic confusion of these drugs. I get a lot of the exact same feelings and sensations on all psychedelics, and this dose of mushrooms felt a lot like my 'strong' LSD experience. I just wasn't in as good of a setting, and had the constant fear of myself doing something crazy if I let go too much.
Anyway, I just had to get this off of my chest because it was such a weird experience. All of the stuff that happened to me has happened before- the chanting/humming/audio distortions, breakdown of language, strange psychedelic dreams and closed eye visuals, alien stuff. However, I was not expecting it to be as difficult yet still in reality as it was. My memory is still very bad of the whole trip even though I was awake with my eyes open for a huge chunk of it.
I'm not deterred by mushrooms at all from this. I almost feel like if tolerance wasn't a problem and my mind wasn't still a little scrambled, I'd readily take this dose again today! I just need a place where I can be free from any kind of a judgement and have a good place to use the bathroom.
oh and during the trip I realized it was September 21st, like that Earth Wind and Fire song lol. that was funny
Edited by jdawg333 (09/22/18 04:46 PM)
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: jdawg333]
#25481283 - 09/22/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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It gets easier.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: Inflaton]
#25481307 - 09/22/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can relate to this on so many levels. All i can say is i feel like you underestimate amounts a little bit. 4g dried is still a pretty intense trip. Id try 1.5 -2 to "try them"
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: jdawg333]
#25481315 - 09/22/18 05:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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jdawg333 said:I'm not deterred by mushrooms at all from this. I almost feel like if tolerance wasn't a problem and my mind wasn't still a little scrambled, I'd readily take this dose again today! I just need a place where I can be free from any kind of a judgement and have a good place to use the bathroom.
Exactly. Also maybe try adding 3 to 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea to your mushrooms sometime, makes for a smoother, less freaky come up.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: Sabnock]
#25481326 - 09/22/18 05:22 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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How does that tea affect the trip specifically? I've never thought of mixing mushrooms with anything, I just eat them and I've never had any stomach complications, if that's the tea's purpose. Although this time I feared I would throw up, I never even really felt nauseated.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: jdawg333]
#25481439 - 09/22/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Different plants/oils/supplements can do many different things when mixed with Psychedelics or medicines or what not. In Lemon Balms case, it helps to reduce anxiety/fear/panic and smooths out the come up making things nice and relaxed, also adds a nice aspect/flavor to the experience. There's a lot of potential in admixture plants with mushrooms, Aya, cacti, LSD, etc, it's definitely worth experimenting around with imo.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: Sabnock]
#25482038 - 09/23/18 12:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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4 gs is pretty wild. My first real trip was on 4.5 grams. Insane time loops, constantly shifting scenarios that became progressively bizarre (i was walking back to my dorm from a hotel about a mile away whike peaking after smoking a full blunt). I thought i shit all over the place and from that point on i just couldnt stop slipping mentally. I must say ive never been the same since then. Almost as dramatic of a change as forgetting what you look like. Ive had some incredible LSD trips and some good 4 gram experiences much like yours but none of them holds a candle to that 4.5 one. Cant imagine going beyond it.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: Inflaton]
#25482689 - 09/23/18 10:16 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inflaton said: It gets easier. 
When?
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: HamHead]
#25482985 - 09/23/18 12:55 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people say that if you take DMT and you try to break through the experience is actually less "traumatizing" for a lack of a better term if you break through rather than stopping mid way. I've never tried it myself so don't take my word for it, but there might be some truth to it with shrooms as well.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: hejAdig999]
#25483053 - 09/23/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP, sounds like your main problems were 1) bad setting and 2) not letting go.
from what you described, you had an opportunity to have an amazing experience. many of the things you talk about are characteristics of a really great upper mid-level mushroom trip. you cheated yourself a bit by not letting go and seeing where the trip would take you, and tripping in a bad setting. but hey, we live and learn.
next time, be in a safe and secure setting where you have easy access to all the creature comforts like water and toilet. somewhere where you won't be unexpectedly interrupted by other people. have a comfy blanket and pillow. and, very important, give in to the experience, let go and see where the trip takes you.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: LuzaW]
#25483060 - 09/23/18 01:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what I figured. I'm curious about what you mean are upper level shroom trip characteristics. I love to compare my experiences to others with this stuff.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: HamHead]
#25483097 - 09/23/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
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Inflaton said: It gets easier. 
When?
Trip often and you'll see. The first time I took 4g it was so intense, it got me on the ground in fetal position for a while. In my first 5g trip I felt away from the real world and found difficult even to understand simple common day concepts at times. I still loved those trips, but I felt they were too much at times.
Now I'm taking around 6g every weekend and it is a walk in the park. I think I could go anywhere and people would not even notice I'm tripping if I dont want to. I can do whatever I want out of my trip at that dose. I normally use it for fun. But had had some intense self-reflective or emotional trips as well. But it was always my choice.
And to be fair it is not always like that. Three weeks ago I was surprised by some weird buzzing feeling when tripping that also got me disbled for a while. But in only lasted maybe 10 minutes. So I dont go out when tripping and always stay safely at home.
But somehow my brain has changed and learned to cope with that state while staying fully functional. I barely have any visuals for instance. I used to see crazy shit.
Not sure if the loss of control and intensity would come back if I take a long break, or a much higher dose. I've done up to 8g and was fine, sent a million texts on the phone to friends... got a bit crazy but it was fun. But I'm not gonna take a break anytime soon. I plan to keep on tripping every weekend right now... I just love it.
I have also a really stable mood nowadays. I'm never sad or worried. I attribute that to mushrooms as well. I grew more confident. Maybe a bit too much. I am aware of it at least.
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: Inflaton]
#25483105 - 09/23/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I took 6g yesterday and I got up feeling great today.
Frankly, I'd eat another 6g today. I do feel like it.
But I wont because I dont want my wife to kill me
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Re: 4 grams was insanity [Re: jdawg333]
#25483112 - 09/23/18 01:52 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP, the mind-fuckery and confusion. it's a puzzling effect, but i really like it. don't fight it and just roll with it. after all, everything will clear up in a few hours and the confusion will go away.
getting lost in CEVs, especially while listening to great music. the feeling that the music is creating the visions, or the visions are creating the music, but not really sure which is right. sort of the classic "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" effect.
one of my favorite effects is when the music creates the perfect complementary closed eye visual, especially if you have a decent sound system with proper stereo sound separation. towers of rotating light in the perfect color, spinning disks, organic yet geometrical moving chains of blocks, very deep fields of view and perspective. it's magical. listen to the eurythmics, either the sweet dreams album or be yourself tonight. annie lennox had the voice of an angel back in the 80s and these albums will transport you. your heart will nearly burst from the beauty
the inability to experience the passage of time in a linear fashion. has the world always been this way? how much time has passed and in what order? consider these thoughts for a moment or two, and then don't concern yourself with it any longer, just experience it. the urge to control is your enemy under these conditions. if you're not comfortable letting go of that need to control, you will always have a sub optimal experience.
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