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Chemistry Glass Off Amazon
    #25481834 - 09/22/18 09:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I am curious about my personal legal safety in ordering some of this stuff off-line. I use  a VPN and stuff like privacy badger from my browser, but something that’s ordered off line with ultimately be sent to my house. Is this stuff OK or will it send up a red flag even if it’s off Amazon?

Distilling Apparatus
Chemistry set
Boiling flask
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All constructive thoughts are welcome.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25481882 - 09/22/18 10:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I imagine you will be fine. People order much worst things online. Plus those items have more uses that drug manufacting. You could be making essential oils or liquor. Although I remember hearing about how eBay once informed the dea about a buyer who purchased several thousands of dollars of glassware. And saffrole oil. They did get a warrant and he was arrested for having a mdma lab.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Crispy224]
    #25481886 - 09/22/18 10:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I imagine you will be fine. People order much worst things online. Plus those items have more uses that drug manufacting. You could be making essential oils or liquor. Although I remember hearing about how eBay once informed the dea about a buyer who purchased several thousands of dollars of glassware. And saffrole oil. They did get a warrant and he was arrested for having a mdma lab.




Noted. Thanks.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25482004 - 09/22/18 11:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The glassware you can buy online is smalltime stuff and totally legal. The bigtime stuff that raises red flags costs thousands of dollars and the vendors wouldn't even sell it to you unless you were a legit company. I have purchased distillery apparatus, separatory funnels, flasks , beakers, ph meters, pipets, vacuum pumps, indicator reagents, and lots of other stuff from chemistry supply houses since high school -and that was a LONG time ago -without any problems. Notice I said CHEMISTRY supply house and NOT CHEMICAL supply house. Nothing will get you flagged quicker than trying to order almost anything from an industrial supply house. These companies are carefully watched and they don' like dealing with even potential bullshit. If you make up a fake company name and try to buy a 10,000 dollar rotary evaporator  you are screwing yourself. Get a catalog from Cynmar. If they sell it , it is safe to buy it anywhere IME. That doesn't mean some A-hole ignoramus isn't gonna try and F you over though. All I can say is that where I live I have never had any problems.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25482006 - 09/22/18 11:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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The glassware you can buy online is smalltime stuff and totally legal. The bigtime stuff that raises red flags costs thousands of dollars and the vendors wouldn't even sell it to you unless you were a legit company. I have purchased distillery apparatus, separatory funnels, flasks , beakers, ph meters, pipets, vacuum pumps, indicator reagents, and lots of other stuff from chemistry supply houses since high school -and that was a LONG time ago -without any problems. Notice I said CHEMISTRY supply house and NOT CHEMICAL supply house. Nothing will get you flagged quicker than trying to order almost anything from an industrial supply house. These companies are carefully watched and they don' like dealing with even potential bullshit. If you make up a fake company name and try to buy a 10,000 dollar rotary evaporator  you are screwing yourself. Get a catalog from Cynmar. If they sell it , it is safe to buy it anywhere IME. That doesn't mean some A-hole ignoramus isn't gonna try and F you over though. All I can say is that where I live I have never had any problems.




The stuff I linked from Amazon is the extent of what I’ll be getting mostly. But what you’re saying is encouraging. Thanks


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25482718 - 09/23/18 10:28 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The stuff you linked is fine to order.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25483098 - 09/23/18 01:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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The stuff you linked is fine to order.




Cool
I just want to do some really simple stuff that we are talking about in my chemistry classes, but didn’t want to inadvertently lead someone to my mushrooms


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25506251 - 10/02/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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The stuff you linked is fine to order.




My chem professor is gonna try to hook me up. She's from china and is kinda like "fuck this commie bullshit", but showed me this

important stuff if you are in texas. an online purchase will notify DPS, they may choose to act or not


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25515010 - 10/05/18 03:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Great link Qayyn Eb-Ur. It's nice to have all the watched chems in one place. The glassware part is a bit spooky. I already said this, but you might want to get a catalog from Cynmar (or go to their website). They supply educational institutions and sell freely to the public (except for chemicals. They will sell certain things like indicator solutions however). Their prices are excellent to good but they kill you on shipping and handling.

Good luck with your studies -I only took as much chem as I needed for my career and wish I went further with it -fascinating stuff! BTW, how is it that Texas can be so cool and so F'd up at the same time? lol. Peace.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25515528 - 10/05/18 06:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Great link Qayyn Eb-Ur. It's nice to have all the watched chems in one place. The glassware part is a bit spooky. I already said this, but you might want to get a catalog from Cynmar (or go to their website). They supply educational institutions and sell freely to the public (except for chemicals. They will sell certain things like indicator solutions however). Their prices are excellent to good but they kill you on shipping and handling.

Good luck with your studies -I only took as much chem as I needed for my career and wish I went further with it -fascinating stuff! BTW, how is it that Texas can be so cool and so F'd up at the same time? lol. Peace.




Yeah. I ask this all the time. I do actually participate in a few illicit activities, so I do my best to remain off lists. It sounds like that i would be subject to inspection in my home by the state troopers (DPS). If i dont have the permit OR they found something during the inspection that is suspicious, then I'm fucked.
I will pilfer my college's supplies. Its pretty easy to say that some glassware broke, but actually i put it in my back pack.
I am also going to be contacting a glass blower at the texas Renaissance Festival and check out the flea market where i can transact cash.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25516049 - 10/05/18 10:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I don't mean to belabor the point (only YOU know what is best for YOU), but you can always call the folks at Cynmar and ask if there have ever been problems shipping to Texas. The times I have dealt with them have always been helpful and straight-up. They even have a staff scientist who will help you with any technical questions. (I'm not necessarily posting this for you Qayyn, but for anybody who may read this):). As long as you have a clear question and explain your position (student, home brewer, or whatevs), they are sure to point you in the right direction.

Your other options are valid (some dubious lol), and I'm sure you know  what is best for your situation! I once met a glass blower who claimed he could make anything. I never bought anything from him but he showed me pics that supported his claim. Hope I'm not coming off like an arse, but I figured this further info may help someone.

Once again, good luck with your endeavors.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25516080 - 10/05/18 10:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't mean to belabor the point (only YOU know what is best for YOU), but you can always call the folks at Cynmar and ask if there have ever been problems shipping to Texas. The times I have dealt with them have always been helpful and straight-up. They even have a staff scientist who will help you with any technical questions. (I'm not necessarily posting this for you Qayyn, but for anybody who may read this):). As long as you have a clear question and explain your position (student, home brewer, or whatevs), they are sure to point you in the right direction.

Your other options are valid (some dubious lol), and I'm sure you know  what is best for your situation! I once met a glass blower who claimed he could make anything. I never bought anything from him but he showed me pics that supported his claim. Hope I'm not coming off like an arse, but I figured this further info may help someone.

Once again, good luck with your endeavors.




No problem. I haven't contacted them specifically, but i have contacted a few suppliers. They are required to report the import and/or sale of chemistry type glassware in/to Texas that's listed in the link. To avoid this, one may need to aquire the items from someone who is actively ignoring or ignorant of the law.
I have some family and friends who are in the law and law enforcement spheres, and they made it sound like its something that is not actively enforced. It is more often used to further build a case that arose out of other means. It is almost never used as grounds for obtaining a warrant for instance.

At the end of the day, the likelyhood of getting pinched looks astronomically small, but it is definitely magnitudes higher compared to randomly getting caught.

These guys believe this other dude is being paranoid, despite his correctness, but there is some anecdotal accounts on that site of people finding their way into some legal troubles.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25516116 - 10/05/18 11:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Wow! I'm glad I replied to your post -you opened my eyes to a lot of possibilities I otherwise would not have been privy to. (always learning, always learning...). I agree with your cautious attitude 100%, because a miscalculation of only 1% can cause catastrophy.

Some years ago I used to buy Gentamycin sulphate to use as an ant-bacterial agent in my agar recipes from a surgical supply vendor (local walk-in type deal).One day the business changed owners without my knowledge and you can guess what happened from there. The cops were there in less than 5 minutes. Luckily they had records of my previous purchases and it worked out OK (except for the years it took off my life in excelerated heart rate!) Unfortunately nowadays it seems like the line between being careful and paranoia is getting thinner and thinner. Thanks again.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25556250 - 10/21/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I ordered a Liebig Condenser and associated flasks and such for some reflux experiments I was wanting to do when I was in college. The stuff showed up quickly and in good condition and I didn't hear anything about it.

Honestly as long as you're not ordering precursors, any standard glassware shouldn't draw heat.


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: ModestMouse]
    #25557346 - 10/22/18 09:08 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I ordered a Liebig Condenser and associated flasks and such for some reflux experiments I was wanting to do when I was in college. The stuff showed up quickly and in good condition and I didn't hear anything about it.

Honestly as long as you're not ordering precursors, any standard glassware shouldn't draw heat.




If you look at what I linked, then you’ll see that several glass apparatuses Are considered precursors just like the chemicals


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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: Qayyn Eb-Ur]
    #25575540 - 10/29/18 03:08 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is getting old, but I keep forgetting to post that the DEA has recently reclassified IODINE as a List 1 chemical. Attempting to purchase said chemical at concentrations greater than 2.2% will get you flagged (crystals or solutions).

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25576241 - 10/29/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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This thread is getting old, but I keep forgetting to post that the DEA has recently reclassified IODINE as a List 1 chemical. Attempting to purchase said chemical at concentrations greater than 2.2% will get you flagged (crystals or solutions).




Craziness. Do you know why? That is a commonly used indicator of starch and a component of metzgers ? Melzers? Reagent.


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    #25582656 - 10/31/18 07:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

It is used in the synthesis of methamphetamine. Magnesium turnings are added with benzyl chloride dissolved in anhydrous ether, along with a small crystal of iodine. The reaction should start within 30-40 minutes in which case the iodine color will disappear. If the reaction does not start however, the flask is immersed in hot water (at the proper reaction temperature). So as far as I understand, in this case the iodine is acting as a reaction indicator.

This is the process used in high grade lab synthesis using methlylamine ala 'breaking bad', as opposed to precursors (ephedrine) used in bath tub or kitchen chemistry. This is the only reason I can figure the DEA now lists iodine List 1?

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    #25582717 - 10/31/18 08:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Having had a few minutes to think about this, I remember reading a paper describing the synthesis of synthetic THC (bath salts), in which case the iodine was used as both a reaction agonist/initiator as well as a reaction indicator -it initiates the reaction and the red color disappears as the reaction starts. This is done in a solution which contains Grignard reagent (again magnesium turnings are in the equation. 2-chloro heptane + magnesium turnings + anhydrous ether = Grignard reagent -in the proper proportions of course).

So to answer your question (again lol), it seems that iodine crystals are used in illegal drug synthesis, and perhaps the recent notoriety of both meth and bath salts prompted the new scheduling of iodine. Why and how iodine reacts with Grignard reagent is beyond my scope of knowledge.

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Re: Chemistry Glass Off Amazon [Re: scarabaeus]
    #25582847 - 10/31/18 09:28 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Word. That’s way beyond me. Thanks for clarifying though


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