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Popping My Shroom
    #25478697 - 09/21/18 06:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

So this will be my first attempt at ever growing mushrooms. I did research years ago but never went through with it as I wasn’t in a stable living situation. On a whim I decided that I was tired of waiting to try growing some powerful fungi. I ordered several strains from the spore depot. Should have them by October. This thread will be my attempt at documenting my first attempt at growing this glorious fruit. I believe I have the read and watched enough to attempt a very novice grow set up at the least. I would like to be as professional as possible but I need the experience so I’m diving in. If anyone has any tips I would greatly appreciate that. I may be blowing my load by creating this thread but the excitement of this task undergoing in the near future cannot be staved.

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25478746 - 09/21/18 06:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck:thumbup: My advice would be to spend a week reading the forums and teks before you go any further so you are sure of what you want to do and how, and ask some questions before doing it as its your first grow

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25478755 - 09/21/18 06:18 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Everything you need to grow is here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021

If you haven’t got a pressure cooker, you can follow the pf tek and make a sgfc - just follow these vids here


If you’ve got a pressure and you’re feeling confident after reading everything, get some agar, jars and grains and grow a monotub or shoebox.

Anyway the tip is to read everything in that link above.

Good luck Gray Bard

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: space_shrooms]
    #25478875 - 09/21/18 06:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I went with MS inoculation to rye to bulk sub with my first (current) grow and ran into a few issues and learned a hell of lot.

Underestimate how clean you are. Clean spawn is the goddamn key. Whether you're going for PF Tek or grain spawn to bulk substrate, read up very carefully on how to prep, plan out your steps and know that you can never be too clean. Sterile technique and clean spawn will take care of a lot of potential issues.

If you're going for grain spawn, I recommend checking out Bodhisatta's Easy AF Oat Prep Tek, except, if you use rye, I would only boil for about 8-10m. Longer than that and I started seeing way too many bursted kernels.

Read up on proper surface conditions. Keep an eye on that and only do enough to maintain good surface conditions and you will be in a good place.

Don't fuck with your grow. You'll be tempted to check everything a million times if you're as curious and impatient as me. Make sure your sub is hydrated (field capacity if you're spawning to bulk), case if you'd like, and leave it the hell alone until you absolutely need to do something.

Light is good for mycelial growth (12h on/12h off like fruiting conditions). Liners aren't necessary.

If you need help, don't be afraid to ask. I asked every possible question that came up that I couldn't find an answer to through the search function. Hell, if you have questions for my noob ass, feel free to PM. I know nothing. But I grew mushrooms muahaha.

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: thegiftedchild]
    #25478965 - 09/21/18 07:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys, I’ll be reading the links that you’ve provided! I’ve watched several videos but I definitely need some hands on experience. I’m going to follow this https://www.google.com/amp/s/thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/shrooms/grow-psilocybin-mushrooms/amp/ how do you guys feel about this? It seems very simple and a quick way to learn and acquire some experience and knowledge of the life cycle of the mushrooms. I definitely feel like I need some hands on experience on a very simple level so I can understand the life of the mushroom. I’m super excited to get started. On my first try I’m just going to focus on  being sterile, learning the life cycle, and trying to gain the most knowledge I can before attempting other techniques. How many tries does it usually take for a noob like I to get a decent yield?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25479548 - 09/21/18 11:56 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

After reading some of those posted links above I have a couple questions...

I’ve seen grow set ups where they’ve either put bags over the mushrooms or lids upturned to allow some air flow but it left me curious, does sterility become less of factor after colonization? My other question is, for doing a shoebox set up, am I correct in assuming that you chop or grind up the cake and apply it to a substrate and let it cultivate within the shoebox?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25479554 - 09/22/18 12:07 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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After reading some of those posted links above I have a couple questions...

I’ve seen grow set ups where they’ve either put bags over the mushrooms or lids upturned to allow some air flow but it left me curious, does sterility become less of factor after colonization? My other question is, for doing a shoebox set up, am I correct in assuming that you chop or grind up the cake and apply it to a substrate and let it cultivate within the shoebox?




Yes, sterility is not a consideration after colonization. Once the sterilized grains are colonized, the mycelium has essentially taken over the sterile space, leaving no room for contaminants to set in. This of course depends on whether the grains were properly sterilized and no other culture other than myc was introduced to them. You can spawn colonized grains to pasteurized bulk substrate in open air, without gloves etc., with no problems. Clean spawn added to properly pasteurized substrate should not contaminate for a few flushes at least.

Yes, you can crumble up a cake into a bulk substrate. Or you can just fruit it as it is, which is what I'd recommend for your first time. When you crumble a cake into CVG (coir, verm, gypsum), you are expanding the culture and the amount of nutrients and water it can feed off. This will result in more shrooms :pipesmoke:

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: space_shrooms] * 1
    #25479665 - 09/22/18 02:09 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If you are going to follow the thirdwave tek do not wipe the syringe after flaming or wipe between jars. Just flame it.


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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Bumholio]
    #25481091 - 09/22/18 03:17 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, guys! This looks so easy! I’m so excited. I don’t know why I didn’t cultivate sooner! I may even start a gourmet op!!!

@Bumholio, should I flame it before every jar?

Also, is it better to use distilled water or just boiled tap water? Does the mycelium get the nutrients it needs from plain distilled water? I know there is an excess of junk like chlorine and fluoride in tap that it doesn’t need but does boiling remove these chems?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25481231 - 09/22/18 04:33 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

You can use regular tap water. Don’t need to boil it because you’ll be sterilizing it anyway.

There’s a bunch of bs in that third wave tek about air sanitizers and making your work space as ‘sterile’ as possible. You can’t make your workspace even close to sterile. I’d highly recommend making one of these and working inside it - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23990888#23990888

Flame the syringe beteeen each jar. Don’t spray it with anything once it’s red hot. The first thing it should be making contact with after coming out of the flame is the substrate inside the jar.

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: space_shrooms]
    #25481250 - 09/22/18 04:40 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

That’s exactly what I was going to do but the comments helped me. I was gonna try drilling but I guess I’ll just melt the holes. I haven’t heard back from spore depot but it’s a Saturday so we will see what’s up on Monday, I hope!

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25481559 - 09/22/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

For the first trial I am going to do hands on inoculation. I’m going to try two or three different methods including in jar, shoebox and the original tek I posted which seems a bit outdated but a good one to try nonetheless. On my second trial I’m looking into agar, how should I go into to it as a beginner? I’ve read some things but what’s a basic starting point and where can I get the supplies?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25484106 - 09/23/18 09:40 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I have another basic question, lol, sorry.

In between flushes do I need to do anything?

Do I need to rehydrate the cake by dunking?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25484129 - 09/23/18 09:55 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yes 12-18 hours


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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25484242 - 09/23/18 11:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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For the first trial I am going to do hands on inoculation. I’m going to try two or three different methods including in jar, shoebox and the original tek I posted which seems a bit outdated but a good one to try nonetheless. On my second trial I’m looking into agar, how should I go into to it as a beginner? I’ve read some things but what’s a basic starting point and where can I get the supplies?



You're anxious and excited which is good. Agar is quite easy with Pastyplates. I recommend reserving a few drops from your syringes and getting started right away. You'll have nothing to do for a while but check on your jars 10 times a day. Starting agar will buffer that a little and bump you up to the next level.


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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #25487760 - 09/25/18 10:51 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Spores should be here by Friday according to my email! I ordered extra syringes for experimenting with agar and for storage so no problem there!

I like that agar tek particularly the food coloring idea! I was actually gonna go ahead and start this as well in the mean time. I may use that technique but I like the idea of ordering Petri dishes as they would take up less room and look a bit more professional. Although I don’t know I may try that as it doesn’t involve pouring agar in a SAB, we will see!

A couple quick noob questions on the Bods shoebox tek...
It mentions after the first flush misting or dunking. If you have grated the cake into new substrate and mixed it then you allow it to colonize but wouldn’t that create the risk of contamination when you add the 80% colonized sub to the new sub? Or do you sterilize it first? Also if you mix the two, I’m assuming you wait until 100% colonization before you flip the lid? How do you dunk the cake after the first flush? Remove it from the shoebox? Doesnt that stress the mycelium?

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25487863 - 09/25/18 11:39 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know where you're reading about adding a 80% colonized sub into a new sub I think you're mistaken. Crumble fully colonized brf cakes into a substrate like CVG. The Shoe Box would be a good choice because you probably don't have enough cakes to have enough spawn to do anything larger. Ratio should be one part spawn to one part substrate or at the least one part spawn to two parts substrate.

For dunking after a first flush you can pour water down the side of the shoebox, leave it sit for 4 hours or so then drain it out. Your sub is fairly sturdy by this point you can tilt it on its side if you're careful.

I don't flip the lid until I see knots or pins. Some people do it earlier but a shoe box is pretty maintennamce free if you let it be. If your conditions are good you won't even have to mist it until later flushes.

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #25488872 - 09/25/18 06:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe I did misread.

I have everything on order. Will be shipped by October 3rd, may recieve a few things on the fourth. I’m slightly paranoid about the fact that I ordered most of everything that I needed online. I couldn’t find hardly any of it at Walmart and that’s about all we have in our little town. I prefer to shop online but that did sketch me out slightly. Whatever, I kinda wanna order some gourmet mushroom spores anyways but I wanna see if I’m handicapapable of doing this first. I spent maybe 250$ estimate on everything including the spores. Some of the stuff we already have at home.

I think I have a good grasp on things now in my head at least. I really need some hands on experience as soon as I can, I have to keep reading information or I’ll forget what I learned just like I did 8 years ago. I never did try 8 years ago but I did do a lot of reading. I was younger and dumber then though. Lol. It’s definitely going to be hard seeing those spores in the fridge and not being able to inoculate any of those jars until the rest of my equipment comes, haha.

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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grey6Bard]
    #25489091 - 09/25/18 08:13 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck bud it's a fun hobby, psycodelics or not.


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Re: Popping My Shroom [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #25489252 - 09/25/18 09:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Y’all are so helpful! Thank y’all seriously!

Another dumb question on agar...

Say I take a culture, to preserve it do I store it in the fridge immediately or do I keep it in room temperature to allow the myc to colonize? Does storing it in the fridge reduce its metabolic rate or is it completely suspended? Sorry for the dumb question.

I realize liquid nitrogen would probably freeze it for an indefinite amount of time but I’m assuming a fridge slows it’s growth to a crawl and it would still go bad or die off over time?

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