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    #25459427 - 09/14/18 09:32 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Anybody have experience using this peptide for injury repair?

I have a SLAP tear of the labrum in my left shoulder + beginning of frozen shoulder (HOLY FUCK THE PAIN).

PT I've been working with for the past 4 months recommends surgery if I want to return to the level of physical activity I had prior to the injury, namely, yoga & weight-lifting. I don't have health insurance until Jan 1, so I am looking for anything and everything I can do to strengthen my shoulder and relieve the pain in the meantime...Ideally w/o pain meds, but I am picking some up today because it's getting hard to human & sleep through the pain I'm experiencing.

I've been reading a lot about this peptide BCP-157 & its efficacy in connective tissue repair. I've already ordered it and plan to go through with the treatment because I've researched it extensively and don't think it can hurt, but am wondering if anyone here has personal experience with it?

Also taking colostrum and CBD tincture daily. 

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Re: BCP-157 [Re: yogabunny]
    #25461222 - 09/15/18 12:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

When you say without pain meds do you mean like opiates or do  you mean like ibuprofin?

I've never used any peptides so I can't help there, but I did also injure my left shoulder during of all things, stretching, and it's still kinda messed up when I stretch out certain ways.  Definitely interested in hearing what you find out and if it works.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25461238 - 09/15/18 12:30 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Ibuprofen is worse for your body than opioids.



Amino acids maybe? Theres dna in tendons right?


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: Nimph]
    #25461268 - 09/15/18 01:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

That is debatable.  I had a similar outlook at the start of a decade long opiate addiction and now that I have destroyed a lot of my life and body along the way I sing a different tune.  They both have risks that are very different and dangerous in their own ways.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25461277 - 09/15/18 01:33 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

An addiction is worse yes but as toxicity is worse for your organs and cardiovascular system. You can take the same level of opiates forever an just become immune(just dont go cold turkey) but ibuprofen will give u liver, kidney, heart, brain, stomach ulcers ect damage and can kill the elderly.
But the drug didnt damage your life that was you, you made those choices, im sorry but you could have always told yourself no.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: Nimph]
    #25461288 - 09/15/18 01:49 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

No.  There are physical risks beyond addiction and overdose for opiates.  My hormones went out of whack,. I put on a SIGNIFICANT amount of weight very very rapidly, both of which cascaded into a pile of other lovely side effects.  There are issues that can arise in your gastrointestinal tract.  There is hyperalgesia.  Then there is the chemical imbalances and their effects that are related to the 'addiction' side of things where your body produces to little of important chemicals that are part of regulating your life like dopamine.

Yes, ibuprofin is more directly toxic on something like your liver, but it is hardly 'safer' or 'less worse' than opiates.  Risk is all encompassing.  You don't just pick one section of it to cherry pick and then say one drug is better or safer than another.  Just because something harms a different part of your body doesn't make it necessarily safer.  There are reasons beyond just addiction that ibuprofin is OTC but even ultra weak opiates like codeine are controlled by prescription only in the US.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25461338 - 09/15/18 02:41 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Your not supposed to take either for that long but ibuprofen type drugs can give u horrible unlcers in several days,  dope wont do that just make your poo dry.
Even though u dont abuse ibuprofen it will cause damage, its not good for you nobody should take.



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Re: BCP-157 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25461441 - 09/15/18 05:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:
When you say without pain meds do you mean like opiates or do  you mean like ibuprofin?

I've never used any peptides so I can't help there, but I did also injure my left shoulder during of all things, stretching, and it's still kinda messed up when I stretch out certain ways.  Definitely interested in hearing what you find out and if it works.





I would personally prefer to take opiates for a short period of time then NSAIDS, or a steroid shot. I never take NSAIDS, but I've tried ibuprofen & aleve, and neither have touched the pain I'm experiencing. :crazy:

I have used opiates recreationally, and I really don't find them that interesting, so I'm not worried about getting addicted.


Crossing my fingers that the bcp-157 will work quickly once I get it in the mail (will keep you guys posted). I do have an appointment with my PCP on Monday to hopefully get something for the pain in the meantime. I hope he doesn't try to give me dumb muscle relaxers.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: yogabunny]
    #25461463 - 09/15/18 06:02 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, the different NSAIDS and OTC stuff  out there target pain a bit differently and some work better than others for specific things.  Like when I've had dental issues ibuprofen, Aleve, Tylenol, they don't do jack,  Aspirin though for some reason really helps.  Dentist backed it up. :themoreyouknow:

For more severe stuff opiates definitely will work a lot better.  If you have until Jan 1st though you will want to use sparingly because tolerance builds super super fast when you are in pain.  The threshold people take to get high vs to cope with pain is quite a bit different usually.  Addiction risks aside a few months of daily opiate use and your script definitely wont work quickly and you will need to keep upping your dose.

Why not muscle relaxers?  They've helped me quite a bit when I tore my calve.  Definitely not painkiller help but waaay better than nothing.  Soma worked amazing. Much better then flexeril.



Keep us posted if/when you try the BCP-157.  I'm curious on its real world effectiveness in this situation.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: Nimph]
    #25462103 - 09/15/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Nimph said:
Ibuprofen is worse for your body than opioids.



Amino acids maybe? Theres dna in tendons right?



And table salt is even worse than them both. But most people consume salt and take Ibuprofen in ways that make them far less harmful to the body than opiates.

Go get surgery done without the insurance and pay what you can pay. Or wait for insurance maybe get a better doctor but probably not then get a enormous bill that you still cant pay.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: yogabunny]
    #25463088 - 09/15/18 10:11 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

um, it's pretty expensive, but this device is crazy effective for treating injuries.

https://www.micro-pulse.com/products/pulse-pet-ices-digiceutical-pulse-generator-model-a9a


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25463537 - 09/16/18 04:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

:beatadeadhorse:

If u take it all at once an dont drink water were as "the bleeder" pills will do it regardless over time no matter how hydrate u stay. 2 very different compounds.

I will admit asprin is a useful tool but its much better to get it from the tree.

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Re: BCP-157 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25463642 - 09/16/18 06:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, the different NSAIDS and OTC stuff  out there target pain a bit differently and some work better than others for specific things.  Like when I've had dental issues ibuprofen, Aleve, Tylenol, they don't do jack,  Aspirin though for some reason really helps.  Dentist backed it up. :themoreyouknow:

For more severe stuff opiates definitely will work a lot better.  If you have until Jan 1st though you will want to use sparingly because tolerance builds super super fast when you are in pain.  The threshold people take to get high vs to cope with pain is quite a bit different usually.  Addiction risks aside a few months of daily opiate use and your script definitely wont work quickly and you will need to keep upping your dose.

Why not muscle relaxers?  They've helped me quite a bit when I tore my calve.  Definitely not painkiller help but waaay better than nothing.  Soma worked amazing. Much better then flexeril.



Keep us posted if/when you try the BCP-157.  I'm curious on its real world effectiveness in this situation.





I actually have some aspirin that I haven't tried yet, so I'll give that a shot today.

My hope is that the bcp-157 and/or CBD will work for the pain, and that I won't have to take the opiates for more than 1-2 weeks. I don't even know anymore...The other fucked up thing is now my right shoulder is started to ache as well, probably from overuse because I'm doing EVERYTHING with my right arm now. :rolleyes:


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: yogabunny]
    #25463650 - 09/16/18 06:32 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:
Yeah, the different NSAIDS and OTC stuff  out there target pain a bit differently and some work better than others for specific things.  Like when I've had dental issues ibuprofen, Aleve, Tylenol, they don't do jack,  Aspirin though for some reason really helps.  Dentist backed it up. :themoreyouknow:

For more severe stuff opiates definitely will work a lot better.  If you have until Jan 1st though you will want to use sparingly because tolerance builds super super fast when you are in pain.  The threshold people take to get high vs to cope with pain is quite a bit different usually.  Addiction risks aside a few months of daily opiate use and your script definitely wont work quickly and you will need to keep upping your dose.

Why not muscle relaxers?  They've helped me quite a bit when I tore my calve.  Definitely not painkiller help but waaay better than nothing.  Soma worked amazing. Much better then flexeril.



Keep us posted if/when you try the BCP-157.  I'm curious on its real world effectiveness in this situation.





I actually have some aspirin that I haven't tried yet, so I'll give that a shot today.

My hope is that the bcp-157 and/or CBD will work for the pain, and that I won't have to take the opiates for more than 1-2 weeks. I don't even know anymore...The other fucked up thing is now my right shoulder is started to ache as well, probably from overuse because I'm doing EVERYTHING with my right arm now. :rolleyes:




That's good to know about the Soma...I've tried flexiril before for neck tension/pain & that stuff was super gnarly. It made me feel drunk in a really uncomfortable way and also really edgy.


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Re: BCP-157 [Re: yogabunny]
    #25463869 - 09/16/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Muscle relaxers tend to feel that way since they have a similar sort of "body load" for lack of a better term as alcohol.  flexeril always makes me tired as fuck and makes my body feel heavy.  Soma has more euphoria to it and more benzo/alcohol  like sensations.  Flexeril usually gets prescribed because it's low risk of abuse since its zero fun, where as soma definitely can be fun.  I use to eat those things like candy after a trip across the border to buy a bottle or 4. :laugh:

Still, for legitimate not-fun purposes even flexeril will probably help you but you would want to take it at night before bed and such, or on a day off where you can lay around the house.  You definitely don't want to be pushing your body hard on it, and really you probably should be careful if you are at all with the injury but I imagine your PT already gave you the warnings and what not.


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