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Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about...
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"See the point is that your spirit guides are totally clueless, so listen to what mine have to say. Either that or you are such a spiritual dunce as to be unable to contact them. Either way, take my advanced wisdom at face value because I am so far above you!"

Gee, no ego in that type of statement that gets thrown around here ad nauseum.

Find YOUR OWN wisdom and set no man up as your guru, elder, master; etc. That is the sum total of my "teaching".

If there is no God nor spiritual life, then the search is meaningless. If there is a God, then he has given you the EQUAL ability to learn directly from him WITHOUT an intermediary nor interpreter. Do NOT look to others for answers merely because you are confused or uncertain. CLAIM YOUR OWN POWER!

Swami out


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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I think this is very important. I started off a long time ago realizing this, and i think it has gotten me to think more about the world i live in, from a not so attached place.

Following what someone else does wont get me any further than i am, it takes personal effort to make personal gain, always relying on other people will get me no where.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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i believe we are all students and teachers simultaneously. Do you know how much you could learn from a small child if you would take a look at the things they do?

If someone says that your spirit guides know nothing, and to listen to theirs, then that is retarded. They are always there, even if you cant see them, they are always guiding you, even if you can not hear them with your physical ears. You hear them with your heart, through feelings, unless your out of body then you can see them and you hear them talk to u, but communication is done telepathically, so it is like if you think it you automatically say it, and you hear their thoughts as your own.

contacting them is as simple as talking to them. and for them to speak to you is as simple as to quiet your mind and hear them(with your heart, not ears, that is how it is)

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: ]
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And you can distinguish these "voices" from your imagination, how? Merely because it seems or feels real?

I am fairly certain that the 9/11 bombers felt they were following their hearts. How can I be sure of that? Because it takes a very strong conviction to commit such an outrageous act.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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who says spirits arent violent?

i call shit like 9/11 the wrath (of angry spirits) and it is as natural as the wind and I hope it doesnt come my way anytime soon.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Grav]
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I call shit like 9/11 another 'disaster' that could have been prevented by the U.S. government, if it hadn't been to their advantage not to. But to each his or her version of the truth.

Anyway, great words Swami. I'll raise a question for you though:

How can you tell you're seperate from the rest of reality, not taking into account whether the division seems or feels real?


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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I totally agree, Swami. Spirituality is a personal journey. Sharing perspectives is one thing, but...ugh, I always feel disappointed while watching the sales of religion take place. I think some people carry the outlook that there's a "correct" path to follow, or a competition towards enlightenment. I don't know if spiritual perspectives can be defined as right or wrong...they just are. Maybe I can better describe it as "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

My view? God is heaven. And it is a part of me that grows from the inside.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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Any guru or guide only triggers your inner guru to awaken and cause changes, you are always the one who allows yourself to advance, although a guru can help you find your inner guru, but this is not necessary. All that is needed is within, and nothing else is needed, but Guru's and guides are not useless as they can help certain people get past roadblocks they setup for themselves.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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That's a good lesson Swami. Indeed, indeed.
Learning from others 'spirit guides' is plain rediculous, as that accomplishes nothing.. listen to your own 'spirit guides'
But there is an extent to which one must learn from others.
Claim your own power, but don't isolate yourself from everything.
Learn from others where you can, and follow your true self, and be yourself. That is the sum total of my teaching.
And yet we could all be just a reflection of each other. This whole 'individuality' thing being a global illusion. So my final thought.. .be yourself and claim your own power, think for yourself, but do not under any circumstances, think yourself perfect so as to never gain wisdom or learnings from others. That doesn't leave much room for evolution does it?


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Shroomism]
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awesome post man.

i believe that there is no any one path to god, but, if the path is not that of love(love is unconditional) then it isnt goign to be a path that you will, as a spiritual being, want to accept in the end.

Like say your a gang banger, ruthless type of person, and you give no fuck about no love, yoru totally selfish, when u see the way u were when u die, u will not be happy with it(because of who you REALLY are)...i say 'you' speaking for all of us(WE).....thats just my belief. Its not that i believe there is 1 path, its just that all paths, no matter how they are perceieved, are goign to be leading to LOVE if you are following your HEART, if not....then its definitely not following your heart.

You dont follow your heart(love) if your killing people, that is being lost. them fools that did the 9/11 thought they were doing good, but what were they thinking more of, THEMSELVES and their virgins, not of love. God doesnt want us to murder each other, he wants us to love each other, and they are obviously lost becuase they think that they were doing gods will by killing, so to say "oh thats just their personal path" is kind of losing the point, they are also brainwashed into believing that dogma, they didnt find themselves for themselves, so how can their religion be personal?

following our hearts will lead us on a path of love, not following our hearts will lead us astray on the path of love.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Shroomism]
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Learning from others 'spirit guides' is plain rediculous, as that accomplishes nothing.. listen to your own 'spirit guides'

Ah, but learning from another's Alien guides about the coming times is somehow not ridiculous...


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: ]
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Kottonmouth said:
i believe we are all students and teachers simultaneously.


Yes, this is true!

I was once sitting on an airplane next to a gentleman, and we got to talking about many spiritual aspects of life, as well as the mundane. I finally asked him, "Do you think we were seated next to each other because I needed to learn something from you, or you needed to learn something from me?"

He responded, "Maybe we're meant to learn from each other."

And people come and go, in and out of our lives, and we feel sad when we lose someone to death, break-ups, or distance, but the truth is that maybe that person was in our lives for as long as we needed him/her, and it's time to move on and learn from new people and new relationships.

How can you grow, spiritually or otherwise, if you are always surrounded with the same people? Where is the challenge?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Frog]
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He responded, "Maybe we're meant to learn from each other."

And people come and go, in and out of our lives, and we feel sad when we lose someone to death, break-ups, or distance, but the truth is that maybe that person was in our lives for as long as we needed him/her, and it's time to move on and learn from new people and new relationships


this man was very wise! :wink:  i like how he said "maybe", when he knew damn well there was no maybe.  Sometimes we have to watch how we say things, or else people think you are being a know it all.  that is why i said "i believe" instead of flat out saying "we are...".  I need to get into that habit more oftehn of saying 'well this is what i think', cuz people will hear you out more openly.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Frog]
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He responded, "Maybe we're meant to learn from each other."

Or maybe the more pedanctic explanation is that you could learn something from anyone and that there is no grand chessmaster arranging the pawns and overriding the seat-assignment software.

God:  :spliff: Hmm. Frank, first I am going to give you flat tire to cause you to miss your scheduled flight and then I am going to put you in seat C-9. Marvin (the airline mechanic), I am going to trick you into getting drunk the night before a major inspection because I made your girlfriend cheat on you with your neighbor and now your hangover caused you to overlook the broken rivets on the hull plating. Then I am going to create a low pressure system over Hawaii (Hey, being God IS fun!) which will rip the roof off. And, oh yes, Frank, I am going to give you the urge to go to the john so that your seatbelt will be off when the wind shear rips open the cabin and sucks you to your death at 25,000 feet.  :whoa:


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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you always have to think for yourself, analyze, question etc,
but theres always a place for learning from others.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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:shocked: :lol:  :lol:  that was hilarious man  :thumbup:

on a serious note, god doesnt make us do anything, we have free will.  And he isnt cruel like u are making him out to be, im sure you have heard of the law of karma, nothing that happens to us goes undeserved, all happens to us for a reason(you just need to see why, and you cant see what your not looking for.), for your highest benefit(to grow spiritually).

damn dude, your lifes review will prolly be so em-bare-ass-ing  :lol:

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: ]
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And he isnt cruel like u are making him out to be, im sure you have heard of the law of karma, nothing that happens to us goes undeserved,
I have heard of many things that are unfounded.

all happens to us for a reason(you just need to see why, and you cant see what your not looking for.),for your highest benefit(to grow spiritually).
Which is why you are all reading my words.

damn dude, your lifes review will prolly be so em-bare-ass-ing
I will be treating for popcorn and sodas, so dim the lights and let's all have a belly laugh.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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I will be treating for popcorn and sodas, so dim the lights and let's all have a belly laugh. 



yep, after feelin shitty, you will find it very amusing, and we will all laugh together, sept we wont have bellies! :P  :lol:

Swami, you are full of so much light, you will see it in you, feel it, spread it, one day i think, to the fullest  :wink:

love and light

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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"See the point is that your spirit guides are totally clueless, so listen to what mine have to say. Either that or you are such a spiritual dunce as to be unable to contact them. Either way, take my advanced wisdom at face value because I am so far above you!"

haha. it's like the crazy man telling us to WAKE UP!
yeah, to HIS REALITY :lol:

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
"He responded, "Maybe we're meant to learn from each other."

Or maybe the more pedanctic explanation is that you could learn something from anyone and that there is no grand chessmaster arranging the pawns and overriding the seat-assignment software.


what you said is exactly what the man said, i dont think your understanding what was said here. "each other" meant everyone, not just those two.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: dorkus]
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Well how about this: Swami is an expert beginner.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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" Find YOUR OWN wisdom and set no man up as your guru, elder, master"
What about the clinically insane who can not discern what is wisdom, and think that wisdom is chewing their fingers off?

"If there is no God nor spiritual life, then the search is meaningless"
Only if you make it meaningless... Who says god or spirituality is supposed to have a final destination that somehow adds meaning to the picture?


"If there is a God, then he has given you the EQUAL ability to learn directly from him WITHOUT an intermediary nor interpreter"
Oh really? What if 'he' is trying to speak to you through other people... don't get all righteous and think you don't need to rely on anybody else. That's not to say some people are bogus in the advice department, but you need a healthy amount of own conclusions, and teachings from those wiser then thee..


And finally, great ideas. Don't get too caught up in worldly details and you will be that much closer to your goal. Also, great thoughts from other posters.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: 2Experimental]
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2Experimental said:
"If there is a God, then he has given you the EQUAL ability to learn directly from him WITHOUT an intermediary nor interpreter"
Oh really? What if 'he' is trying to speak to you through other people... don't get all righteous and think you don't need to rely on anybody else. That's not to say some people are bogus in the advice department, but you need a healthy amount of own conclusions, and teachings from those wiser then thee.


I think what Swami is alluding to here is that externalization of personal empowerment is unnecessary and restricting.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Sclorch]
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Oh? So I see you are in Swami's head now. Maybe he will answer me, maybe not...Anyways :"I think what Swami is alluding to here is that externalization of personal empowerment is unnecessary and restricting."

Why do some people have such a hard time admiting someone else is in control. And no, I don't mean god there, although it could also be applicable in that sentence. You do not hold all the answers, nor should you let your ego make all the choices in life based on your own knowledge. That is not to say become a drone slaving to a foriegn power. No. Rather, admit there is something greater then this feeble mind some call 'god'. Admit you are not god, and there will always be times when you need to submit to an 'external power' to gain freedom from restriction.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: 2Experimental]
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Why do some people have such a hard time admiting someone else is in control.

Why do some people have such a hard time with personal responsibility?
Why do some people have such a hard time understanding what it means to not be dependent upon an external motivator?


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Sclorch]
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Admit you are not god, and there will always be times when you need to submit to an 'external power' to gain freedom from restriction.




i'll admit that i am god, we are all god. sumbitting to the external power you are referring to would be to submit to that which you are within your body, the real you, that is a part of god and the direct link to him.(your heart)

my 'belief'

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: ]
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i also, will admit nothing of the kind.

If there is any GOD he is either Me or else i am a part of him, as we all are. There is nothing truly external, nor internal...
god might not be me per say, but if im to find him anywhere it will be inside me, not out. so in that i must agree with swami.

But.... i wouldnt know judo with out my sensei. i wouldnt know math without mrs. bredam-taylor. i wouldnt know lots of things without the help of neitchze, lao-tzu, buddha, jesus, mom, dad and all my friends.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Sclorch]
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Just got finished reading "Black Hawk Down" for the second time. The author was merely a reporter. It was quite funny to me (but not at all revealing) that he was invited to speak to both upper echelon generals as well as students at West Point about strategy and weaponry and in about confidential (secret) matters though he had no clearance nor military training whatsoever.

HE WAS A FUCKING REPORTER. But because he had written and published a book he was now dubbed by the high powers as AN EXPERT. How often do I here the same story here? "Don't believe me Swami? Read all about it in the 'Celestine Prophecy' or on this website..."


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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*ahem*

Swami, if someone does enough research on a subject, that can make them an expert, regardless of actual experience. Especially if those who actually do have actual experience say that his writings sit well with them.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Frog]
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Reporting the facts behind one battle does not make him a master strategist merely because he knew the players names, dates and thoughts.

Likewise writing a fantasy book such as the "Celestine Prophecy" hardly makes one a master of the mystic.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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I think you forgot to add: And likewise being called Swami hardly makes me an expert on anything except what I know. Which if realized, takes any debate out of an argument, and intelegent conversation can commence.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Reporting the facts behind one battle does not make him a master strategist merely because he knew the players names, dates and thoughts.

Likewise writing a fantasy book such as the "Celestine Prophecy" hardly makes one a master of the mystic.


But he had to have studied the strategies used in the different wars and skirmishes that have gone on in the past. Just because he didn't personally plan each battle doesn't mean that his observations are invalid.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: 2Experimental]
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Your emotions are getting the better of you. Restabilize before responding. Ok, now please post the exact line where I claimed to be an expert. Thank you.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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Doesen't everyones emotions get the better of them? Aren't emotions the driving force behind each and every thought we have and percieve? THat been said, I think your emotions are getting the better of you as well :lol: 



"Ok, now please post the exact line where I claimed to be an expert. Thank you.
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"Reporting the facts behind one battle does not make him a master strategist merely because he knew the players names, dates and thoughts."
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Are you now the expert on what makes a person a master of any art? You are not from his perspective, therefore your veiwpoint is from a slanted point, a point of 'false' expertise.

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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: 2Experimental]
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The author himself claimed to be shocked at being considered an expert merely for being a reporter. Twas not my opinion. Read the Afterward.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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every post where you deride and challenge those who have beliefs you consider fantasy, you claim you're an expert on reality.


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: truekimbo2]
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I make huge bets on my "version" of reality. Only one person here had the balls to take that bet, lost and reneged, though he is highly respected as some sort of visionary. Take my money and me me a believer in yours, otherwise stop making wild claims. How can I make it any simpler?

So far I have been "promised"

alien visition

an evil spell

a demonstration of telekinesis

a demonstration of telepathy

the planet Niburu

proof of previous lives

a healing

and on and on.

So far what has been delivered is ABSOLUTE ZERO. I make no spurilous claims. Capsiche?


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Re: Let my Spirit Guides tell you what it's all about... [Re: Swami]
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so does that mean you'll help out in my experiment posted elsewhere in the SnP?


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