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First Grow! Bulk Mazatapec/Critiques are Welcome! We got pins/fruits!
#25449311 - 09/10/18 08:23 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey All,
I hope good days are being had all around!
Most of the work has been done, but here is what I have for my first grow!
Started with:
-15 QT rye spawn, MS inoculation with Mazatapec. 5 done on 7/26, 5 done on 8/8, 5 done on 8/12. I ended up doing the second and third batch of 5 because I was unhappy with how i prepped the grains in the first set. First 10 jars were 220g Rye/200g water/1g gypsum straight to the jar. The last 5 and all remaining jars were done with a rinse, 24 hour soak with gypsum (some with coffee as well), 15m boil, dry, you get the idea.
-Expanded 3 of my best looking jars to 10 rye jars ea.
-5-6 jars were eventually lost to contamination, with one of them I noticed stalled at 90%, shook, and never recovered. Trashed them shits.
-Remaining jars all did really well, recovery began within 12-24 hours, nice thick, white, ropey growth.
All will be spawned to bulk using 75% HPoo/20% Verm/5% Gypsum.
I set aside a closet for all the jars for colonization and all that fun stuff which worked beautifully.
(some PF cakes of Mazatapec and Ecuador are brewing here, as well as an Ecuador LC that I used to successfully knock up a PF jar to check for contams. 3 minimono's are colonizing as well.
I rigged up 3 Martha GH's but instead of a fan and humidifier inside the tent, I freed up that space by piping in air and vapor from outside via my PurSteam Ultrasonic Cool Mist humidifier, 1 for each tent. I read up on and figured this would allow for both FAE and humidity with less wiring/timing etc. The humidifier will be rigged up to a RH controller with a 5% buffer in RH to allow for evaporation.
Currently, I have 26 mini monos colonizing in the grow tents because of space, with none of the fruiting elements running. So they're just sitting in there in about 78 degrees with the tents zipped up, no extra humidity and a Coway Air Purifier running outside at all times. There are about 15 more rye jars still colonizing in the closet, plus about 10 PF cakes that are all also almost done. I'll fill up the rest of the tents with more mini mono's and whatever is left I will make into a big bulk mono.
These were spawned to bulk on 9/3:
These were spawned to bulk on 9/7:
These were spawned to bulk on 9/9:
The sub for these was a little dry which I didn't pick up on until I was about done with them. Instead of a small stream the stops quickly upon hard squeeze, it was just a few drops. I figured this would be okay, and worse case scenario, I'll mist them, but since last night theres a healthy looking amount of condensation on the exposed tub.
I plan on waiting til the subs are 100% colonized, removing the lid and consolidating all colonized tubs to fruiting conditions which will entail turning on the RH controller and letting those puppies sit until its time to harvest.
Please let me know if you have any critiques, comments or anything!
As I harvest I plan on taking the best fruits and making prints and clones in agar, once I've learned how to use agar, haha.
Thanks to everyone here for all the help I've been able to make use of as I'm learning and falling in love with this incredible hobby!
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Here are what my humidifiers look like. All I did was take a 1.5"x6" pipe thing from Home Depot, I think its specifically for kitchen sinks, saw'd them down to about 2" and because they have a little lip on the bottom, super glued that side to the exit point of each apparatus.
This is how I rigged up the piping. 1" PVC and appropriately fit corner things (I'm clearly very well versed in construction stuff) that I rigged into an L shape and zip tied to the Martha frame, and then put the covering over and cut out a little hole for the entry pipe which I then used gorilla tape to fit the hole to the pipe to keep it sealed. I have 6' long 1 3/8" tubing that I can plug into the attachment on the humidifier and to the piping on the Martha that worked perfectly.
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Pretty large op for a first grow. Looks good though so far.
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Haha, yeah. I went with the flow as I got more interested and learned new things! Thanksfor the feedback!
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
#25450415 - 09/10/18 06:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seems like you've done this before
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
#25450420 - 09/10/18 06:18 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of that for some shoeboxes? Not trying to be a douche but wtf? That's an insane amount of work to build that gh. I could almost garentuee equal or better results with a slightly popped lid and the totes on a shelf. Zero mods, zero sensors/controllers, zero coolmist, ...like, a zillionth the effort...
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seems like you may have a substance abuse issue if you need this much for a first grow.... jk man, it looks great. just be sure to watch out for any contams on any single tub, that shit spreads like wildfire
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Re: First Grow! [Re: mushboy]
#25450490 - 09/10/18 06:54 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of that for some shoeboxes? Not trying to be a douche but wtf? That's an insane amount of work to build that gh. I could almost garentuee equal or better results with a slightly popped lid and the totes on a shelf. Zero mods, zero sensors/controllers, zero coolmist, ...like, a zillionth the effort...
Buzz Killington over here.
Just kidding, mush.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
#25450502 - 09/10/18 07:01 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks good my dude.
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I'd steer clear of coffee; extremely prone to contamination... my best results are 1:1 spawn:straight coir
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Caps McGee said: I'd steer clear of coffee; extremely prone to contamination... my best results are 1:1 spawn:straight coir
Will you elaborate on this?
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Re: First Grow! [Re: mushboy]
#25450726 - 09/10/18 08:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: search that shit
Fiiiiinnnnneeeee
I Just did. Thank you. *facepalm*
Im a lazy fuck sometimes and just want to be a nerd and talk to people on the interwebz
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mushboy said: search that shit
Fiiiiinnnnneeeee
I Just did. Thank you. *facepalm*
Im a lazy fuck sometimes and just want to be a nerd and talk to people on the interwebz
That's funny right thur!
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Re: First Grow! [Re: mushboy]
#25451865 - 09/11/18 09:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hahaha, I really liked the idea of the automated set up, and I have the room, time, money and energy. I figured I’d keep the lids on for colonization and pop em so the rest can manage the conditions with consistency. Im not generally home as often as I’d like so I figured this would compensate for that effectively. From opening the GH box to full set up probanly only tolk about 5-10m once I had all the thing together and getting the other pieces like the piping was easy as all hell. In and out of Home Depot by my house in 30m or less. I’ll definitely run another project without the GH and compare!
Most of all though, though potentially a lot more cost and work, it was fun as all hell and I’ve learned alot in general and myself going through it all!
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Wait you don’t play with a lb at time? Lolol. Thanks dude, I didn’t think aboutthe contam issue, I appreciate the feedback! I keep the room really clean, airs constantly scrubbed and I Lysol everything every other day for the most part. Eyes will be peeled.
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Thank you, bruddah!
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Caps McGee said: I'd steer clear of coffee; extremely prone to contamination... my best results are 1:1 spawn:straight coir
Thanks Caps! Duely noted. The coffee was used in the soak of the berries, does that still carry increased contam risk?
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Martianman420 said: Seems like you've done this before
I appreciate the compliment haha. First time, but a lot of studying and experimentation!
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IME, and my reading, "automated "spells trouble...
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I can totally see why, what do you see are the big issues with automated set ups? For me I’d find an issue with just thinking you can just leave it and trust everything to be perfect. I’ll be monitoring everything closely with my limited knowledge on what to look closely for lmao. I like the automated idea in that I don’t have to directly interfere with it and risk mistreating the mushies. As forgiving as they may be at this point, I’d like to keep all chances of contamination and unnecessary change in conditions as low as possible even if I’m just making a 1% difference. Thanks for your time, man!
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The solution to what you are asking is.. don't use a gh. Leaving it and trusting it to be perfect is called, dailed in totes on a shelf. You'll need to learn proper conditions. A gh/marta won't teach you that.
Mistreating the mushies would include unnessacry set ups and overthinking.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: mushboy]
#25452206 - 09/11/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fair point. I have studied both and will grow without and compare and adjust accordingly. Thanks dude.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: mushboy]
#25452220 - 09/11/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: The solution to what you are asking is.. don't use a gh. Leaving it and trusting it to be perfect is called, dailed in totes on a shelf. You'll need to learn proper conditions. A gh/marta won't teach you that.
Mistreating the mushies would include unnessacry set ups and overthinking.
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Just unnecessary misting when a machine says so based on the moisture in the air (not on the surface) alone can place a damper by not allowing enough evaporation to occur for decent pinsets/fruit size...
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This is awesome information, thanks man!! Always learning, I love it.
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Is there a reliable enough correlation between RH and substrate surface moisture content or moisture content in general? Lets say at the moment the grow space is at a constant room temp of 79F, and an RH value of 90% but if left alone would come down to a baseline of 60% and the air in the space being circulated by an air purifier on low, is there some kind of measurable, reliable relationship between change in RH and evaporation? Is there another way to account for evaporation besides observing substrate surface moisture, misting and waiting for the surface to dry up X amount? That sounds reliable enough with a trained eye, which I recognize is a skill that comes with practice. Im not married to automation by any means, I’m genuinely curious about how conditions can be interpreted and manipulated directly and indirectly with precision.
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You're not going to believe how much work it takes to maintain an "automated" system.
I'm only doing it because I am growing pan cyans and until I see someone post a canopy of pans in a monotub, I'll keep my setup. For cubes, I agree with everyone else...no reason for a GH.
You will spend lots of initial time dicking around with your humidity controllers. As Caps intimated, you can't just set your controllers and have perfect conditions. You will have to dial that in and it will be dependent on your environment. And unless you can maintain a constant environment, you will be jacking with your controllers a lot.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
#25453032 - 09/11/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I usually don't mist first flush, and only 2-3 times a week... All about dialing the tub in... I wouldn't know about a correlation, only monitored rh for like 3 minutes before realizing it wasn't a good indicator for surface conditions
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
#25453213 - 09/11/18 07:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asura said: You're not going to believe how much work it takes to maintain an "automated" system.
I'm only doing it because I am growing pan cyans and until I see someone post a canopy of pans in a monotub, I'll keep my setup. For cubes, I agree with everyone else...no reason for a GH.
You will spend lots of initial time dicking around with your humidity controllers. As Caps intimated, you can't just set your controllers and have perfect conditions. You will have to dial that in and it will be dependent on your environment. And unless you can maintain a constant environment, you will be jacking with your controllers a lot.
That makes a lot of sense, I see more of the role that an automated system would play, and that it works better for a species that requires that level of precision justifying the associated work it takes to calibrate/adjust. With cubes, its unnecessary to achieve high quality yields. What would it mean to have a constant environment? The room that I have my mushies is used exclusively for them, so the only time I really go in there is briefly to check on them or do any lab work, otherwise the temperature stays constant via central air (well filtered + diesel air purifier thats always running) and the humidity stays pretty constant as well. Would that be more forgiving to the automated set up and benign neglect? Thanks so much for your feedback!
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Caps McGee said: I usually don't mist first flush, and only 2-3 times a week... All about dialing the tub in... I wouldn't know about a correlation, only monitored rh for like 3 minutes before realizing it wasn't a good indicator for surface conditions
Ahh, I get what you're saying. Live and learn, I won't even bother then with the GH, I'll just use them as shelves and let nature do its thing and mist just to maintain proper surface conditions. Considering theres not a lot of space left in the shoeboxes and that I'd have to take the lid off anyway, would it be a good idea just to leave the covers on the GH and leave the front either unzipped or half zipped and allow the air purifier to keep running on low to circulate air for FAE?
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Air purifier isn't necessary, and if it's not in a closet, circulating the air isn't either... we spawn in open air and thus our substrate is full of contaminants from that day forward... we generate spawn in sterile conditions so that we have a healthy living culture present that has a chance to colonize the substrate before contaminant spores have a chance to germinate and grow to be an issue... if your spawn is clean when mixing to bulk, you'll be fine, and there's no need(or way) to be sterile anymore... I have shoeboxes sitting on my dresser, no fan, lids unsnapped until fruit reach the top then dubtub with another shoebox
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Example of constant environment. I am in Texas and it is hot. Would you believe I need a heater? In the early morning the pipes under the house will actually cool my grow room down (it's a 4x4 room) to 70-72-ish or so because it's tiled. Temp fluctuations not good for pans.
I have to run a heater on a temp controller so the room does not drop below 78.
Also, my room doesn't have any A/C vents...so that makes things easier.
Once I have that room set up. It stays the same.
This is just not worth the effort for cubes.
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Caps McGee said: Air purifier isn't necessary, and if it's not in a closet, circulating the air isn't either... we spawn in open air and thus our substrate is full of contaminants from that day forward... we generate spawn in sterile conditions so that we have a healthy living culture present that has a chance to colonize the substrate before contaminant spores have a chance to germinate and grow to be an issue... if your spawn is clean when mixing to bulk, you'll be fine, and there's no need(or way) to be sterile anymore... I have shoeboxes sitting on my dresser, no fan, lids unsnapped until fruit reach the top then dubtub with another shoebox
Ah-fucking-ha. SO MUCH LEARNING. Thanks, dude. I'm assuming dubtub is to maintain surface conditions and prevent shit from drying out while giving space to mature properly, I've read a dubtub tek, but clearly didn't learn much haha. So other options would be the plastic bag over the tub and I could also just take the lids out and leave them in the GH with the front zipped but I would have to keep a closer eye on surface conditions, and make sure shit doesn't dry out too much. Just read a tek on how to maintain surface conditions so I think I get it enough to at least do the bare minimum without knowing more specifics. You da bomb, Mr. Caps. You da bomb.
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Re: First Grow! [Re: Asura]
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Asura said: Example of constant environment. I am in Texas and it is hot. Would you believe I need a heater? In the early morning the pipes under the house will actually cool my grow room down (it's a 4x4 room) to 70-72-ish or so because it's tiled. Temp fluctuations not good for pans.
I have to run a heater on a temp controller so the room does not drop below 78.
Also, my room doesn't have any A/C vents...so that makes things easier.
Once I have that room set up. It stays the same.
This is just not worth the effort for cubes.
Gotcha, that's what I assumed. So my grow room is also subject to a constant environment that can adjust for fluctuations. Thanks man!
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Precisely the purpose, and you can get the same effect placing multiple shoeboxes down into a larger tub; much like a segmented mono lol
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Trueeeee, I read that somewhere too. That might be more viable for me. Time to read up on that!
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Re: First Grow! Bulk Mazatapec/Custom Martha/Critiques are Welcome! [Re: thegiftedchild]
#25454555 - 09/12/18 10:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you guys think of these tubs? I've popped three shoeboxes and expecting pinning soon and noticed some very slight discoloration of small areas of myc, though I think it might be from water dripping from the lid of the tub. Can anyone let me know if this is something potentially worrisome? Overall, I think they look good, but what the hell do I know, I've never done this shit before lmao.
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And we have fruits!! Here are my first 4 tubs to pin. LOADS of side pinning and 1 tub with more bottom than top, so I took the opp to transfer them to a mono to grow out while dialing in the surface conditions of the rest of my shoeboxes. Really happy with these so far.
This ones got a million and one side pins, the top looks sad, I know:
Dat dere bottom pinning:
The side pins on this one are ridiculous haha, and some quite large ones coming in:
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Only one type of FRUIT i hope? Need to work on proper surface conditions... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning on the surface
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For sure, I’ve been looking for exactly that to happen with other tubs and theyre loling better! Lots of knots on other shoeboxes. Thanks Caps!
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What do you mean by only one type of fruit?
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The word "fruits" implies several types of fruit... to describe multiple fruit bodies of the same type, "fruit" is both singular and plural... I'm just giving you shit really, but yeah:
Ex. I ended up with tons of fruit from my Apple tree
or It's important to eat a variety of fruits and vegetables
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thegiftedchild
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Registered: 07/29/18
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LMAO i figured, Igot ha, ya ass.
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Caps McGee
Grandaddy Smurfshack
Registered: 10/28/17
Posts: 14,357
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Lol, you know I gots nothing but love
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thegiftedchild
connector of things
Registered: 07/29/18
Posts: 215
Loc: Yes.
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
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I do, I do know this hahaha right back atcha big boi.
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Caps McGee
Grandaddy Smurfshack
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thegiftedchild
connector of things
Registered: 07/29/18
Posts: 215
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Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
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My first pickings off 4 shoeboxes.
These were the only ones that were ready, but theres still probably 2-3x more that will be ready in the next half a day or so.
263g Wet, biggest ones were 13 and 14g HEHEHE SO CUTE.
Getting the hang of picking them before they drop spores proved to be a little tricky.
Special shoutout goes to Caps McGee for all his help with this grow!
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Caps McGee
Grandaddy Smurfshack
Registered: 10/28/17
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Very nice bro bro! And what a way to make someone smile: i just typed some shit: YOU grew them thur mushkies! Congrats, and be proud!
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thegiftedchild
connector of things
Registered: 07/29/18
Posts: 215
Loc: Yes.
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
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Finished first flush of 4 shoeboxes, came out to 933g Wet/96g Dry Yayyy
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Caps McGee
Grandaddy Smurfshack
Registered: 10/28/17
Posts: 14,357
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Awesome! Pics?
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