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velho

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Psilocybe medullosa / Finland

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#25444271 - 09/08/18 11:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Hi! I think I've just found Psilocybe medullosa in my front yard. They really looked like them when I compared to the photos online. A pellicle also observed, not as easy to remove as P. semilanceata, but a pellicle nonetheless. The odor is also very similiar to a Psilocybe semilanceata. Spore print is currently in progress, but I'm quite positive it'll be purple-brown. Any thoughts?

Trying to get more photos later, also of the spore print.

:eek:

:eek:

Edited by velho (09/09/18 12:53 PM)

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

[Re: velho]

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#25444298 - 09/08/18 12:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

This looks very promising, I think. They look really a lot like the other pictures I've seen of P. medullosa.
I'm pretty sure the spore print will be a dark purplish brown. You should keep a dried collection of these for
further analysis, perhaps you can get in touch with Jan Borovička in Prague, he's the prime specialist on the
European species of Psilocybe, as far as I know.

Exciting find! :smile:

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25444479 - 09/08/18 03:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers Anglerfish! Yea they seem quite promising. I contacted Jan Borovička, hoping to hear back from him.

The caps feel quite similiar to P. semilanceata caps, sort of sticky and rubbery. That pellicle is really hard to remove without breaking it, it's not so elastic on these. I picked a few more matured caps and smelled them, the odor is really similiar to liberty caps. I also tried comparing to photos of some Hypholoma and Galerina species, but I don't think it's either. They really scream Psilocybe to me when handling them.

Really need a better camera, but you can see some dark colored spores under the cap of the one specimen with a "curly" stem.

I should take a walk in the neighbourhood to see if I can find more.

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

[Re: velho]
#25444590 - 09/08/18 04:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Deconica inquila i think mate. Are the spores purple?

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25444593 - 09/08/18 04:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Used to be a psilocybe if they are what i think.

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velho

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25444613 - 09/08/18 05:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Nah I don't think they're Deconica inquilina to be honest, I've handled a lot of different Deconica species during the years and all of them have been rather small mushrooms and way more fragile than these. I have some Deconica species also growing on my yard at the moment for comparison. These are actually the size of a average/bigger Psilocybe semilanceata.

Closest matches I've found are Psilocybe medullosa collections of knarkkorven, ST1R and mikael. I have some caps currently printing in my fridge.

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

[Re: velho]
#25444635 - 09/08/18 05:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Ive found huge D. inquila before. Also inquila have very strong stems and are pretty hardy. Everything you have put fits the bill. Are the gills attached or not?

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25444641 - 09/08/18 05:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

If not they might not actually be what i think.

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25444914 - 09/08/18 07:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SemiHunter said:Are the gills attached or not?

It appears to me from the third picture in the first post that the gills are adnexed, and not broadly adnate like
Deconica inquilina. So I think this is something else, and looking at Knarkkorven and Mikaels finds of
P. medullosa, there is a good chance velho found the same species. It is definitely worth the postage
to Prague, at least. We won't have a proper answer until Jan has checked these out.

Apart from that, it would be interesting to see an overview shot of the habitat. Are there any conifers nearby?
Is it a boggy area? Some Hypholoma species can look quite like these, and it would be good to eliminate those
from the equation.

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25445039 - 09/08/18 08:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anglerfish said:
It appears to me from the third picture in the first post that the gills are adnexed, and not broadly adnate like
Deconica inquilina.

Yea adnexed to almost free attachment imo. I'm very positive it's not Deconica species. I think especially some specimens in Mikael's collection look ridiculously close.

It's getting dark in here and my current crappy mobile phone cannot handle it, but here's a couple of hasty habitat shots. I'll try to get better ones tomorrow in the daylight.

The surrounding trees are mostly birches, pines and spruces, nearest spruce growing 2-3 meters away from the mushrooms. The mushrooms grow next to the steps of my firewood shed and there's also lots of smaller spruces behind the shed. Generally the habitat is quite mossy (like almost all of Finland heh) and I live in the lake district of Finland, so yea there's bogs around. The firewood shed was built 30+ years ago, so there's probably lots of rotting twigs'n'wood beneath the soil aswell.

I've been thinking also Hypholoma species as a possibility, but somehow these don't quite strike me as a Hypholoma when handling them. I could be ofcourse wrong. Hopefully I'll hear from Jan and depending on his thoughts, I'll definitely try to send some specimens to him for a closer inspection.

Edited by velho (09/08/18 09:06 PM)

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25445221 - 09/08/18 11:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Here are some further pictures from Sweden, under the name Phaeogalera medullosa, which is a deprecated synonym:

http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Phaeogalera/NIKB2689

Here is also the macroscopic description of Psilocybe silvatica from Funga Nordica. P. silvatica is apparently an
American "sister species" with only some subtle molecular differences. Note the synonym at the end. This description is
made from finds in Nordic and Scandinavian countries, and is thus per definition of P. medullosa. I think the description
seems fitting for your find:

Gills adnexed; stem 50-90 x 1-2 mm. Cap 10-20 mm, conical, later bell-shaped to expanded, viscid, dull yellowish brown to sepia, hygrophanous, translucently striate in outer part, with remnants of veil; gills adnexed, becoming sordid brown; stem cylindrical buff to brownish, whitish fibrillose. In coniferous forests on litter or pieces of rotting wood, but also on wood chips; summer to autumn; occasional but locally common in hemib.-bore., rare in temp.; FI (LC), NO (LC, AA: Grimstad), SE. – GBW 4:405, Lud 72.19, M&J 4.
P. silvatica (Peck) Singer & A.H. Sm. (Phaeogalera medullosa (Bres.) M.M. Moser, P. tenax (Fr.) Kühner & Romagn. s. auct.)

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Re: Psilocybe medullosa? / Finland

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#25445423 - 09/09/18 12:37 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

:jah:

:nothingtoadd:

:cheers:

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#25446486 - 09/09/18 09:55 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Doc9151 said:

Cheers Doc! :cheers:

:cheers:

I'm really excited of this find and hoping to get it properly identificated. I've been researching the internet for many hours this morning and I'm kinda getting more confident. However, still needs to be properly identificated.

Here's the spore print, printed overnight. It's more on the brown-side in my opinion, which actually matches the observations of the P. medullosa prints I've seen. Unfortunately I was out of foil, so had to use white paper. Will be getting some foil later, so I can actually store the prints. Photo taken outside in broad daylight.

Thanks for the Funga Nordica info, Anglerfish! Should really get my hands on that. Also that Phaeogalera medullosa link was helpful, pretty good close matching photos. I also tried googling with the deprecated synonym and found some good matches.

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#25446637 - 09/09/18 12:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Exciting news! I got a reply from Jan Borovička. He said my images fit well the appearance of Psilocybe medullosa and he's pretty sure my findings are infact, Psilocybe medullosa.

Anyhow, it's just an identification from a photo, so I'll be sending him a collection later this autumn for a closer inspection and hopefully confirmation.

But yea, I can likely cross this one off the list and start eyeballing the neighbourhood since they grow in here. Makes a third active growing in my yard! :pipesmoke:

:pipesmoke:

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[Re: velho]
#25446644 - 09/09/18 01:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The odor is also very similiar to a Psilocybe semilanceata

I have found this to be a good ID method when comparing to Galerina etc.

Quote:

Makes a third active growing in my yard!

Your front yard is really filled with psychoactive species! Pholiotinas, libs and now P. medullosa. Amazing! :smile:

:smile:

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#25446651 - 09/09/18 01:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

velho said:
Exciting news! I got a reply from Jan Borovička. He said my images fit well the appearance of Psilocybe medullosa and he's pretty sure my findings are infact, Psilocybe medullosa.

Very exciting news, crossing fingers and toes for this one. :sunny:

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#25446653 - 09/09/18 01:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

knarkkorven said:
I have found this to be a good ID method when comparing to Galerina etc.

Yea I agree, smelling mushrooms is a one good method to put in practice. I've noticed this works very well also with Pholiotina cyanopus, when comparing with the look-a-likes and other Conocybe-like mushrooms.

Quote:

Your front yard is really filled with psychoactive species! Pholiotinas, libs and now P. medullosa. Amazing!

Quite amazing indeed! I'm never moving again haha! :laugh:

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#25450368 - 09/11/18 02:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quite amazing indeed! I'm never moving again haha! :laugh:

:laugh:

I don't blame you, I would be the guy with the big ass keep off the grass sign in the yard after finding those. Kids can have the backyard. Are you saving them up until you have enough to bioassay? I don't know if I would want to be the Guinea pig.

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#25451462 - 09/11/18 12:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have kids, but two cats and they can be really annoying. They have noticed my interest of the particular areas in the yard and are getting nosy. I'm thinking of teaching them how to read, so they can read the signs. :grin:

:grin:

I have only found 12 fruits so far and I'm sending some of them for a microscopic confirmation. It's not the most optical fruiting/growing conditions at the moment in here, has been sunshine and +20 celcius during the days for a week now. Everything's just drying out, but seems to be changing now thank god.

If I find more and get these properly identificated, I might try a bioassay. But for that I need way more. Not too many bioassay reports of these.

Here's Larry, Curly and Moe a couple of days later.

Pholiotina cyanopus is guarded by fire ants on my yard, but Psilocybe medullosa seems to be guarded by these fuckers and at this time of year they're crazy. They just attack you without a reason.

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#25452036 - 09/11/18 07:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Oh God I hate yellow jackets (ground hornet) with a passion, I stepped in a nest a few years back and was stung 23 times before I could get away. There were probably 40-50 inside of my clothes when I got inside and took them off.

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