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 Re: Police appreciation thread  [Re: Enlil]
#26866765 - 08/06/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So if a person threatens an officer with bodily harm or death, deadly force isn't an option...only another person other than the officer?
That's how it should be. An officer should place his own life as secondary when he's on duty.
Even if you think that's how it should be, do you have the law on your side?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]  2
#26866767 - 08/06/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So if a person threatens an officer with bodily harm or death, deadly force isn't an option...only another person other than the officer?
did he stutter?
Me or Enlil? He specifically said a person other than the police officer. It's ok for someone physically threaten a cop's life, and they can't use deadly force?
I know this doesn't apply directly to the Floyd case, but it does to at least a few publicized police shooting events after that. Seems like quite the double standard. Cop or not when you threaten someone's life or even shoot at them...they can't defend or protect themselves with deadly force?
Isn't the old suicide by cop saying implying that if you point a weapon or shoot at a cop, bullets are coming your way? I thought that was well understood, hence the saying...
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LMAO Vahn would think to have someone who got too drunk at a house party executed.
No.
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Hes okay with murdering that drunk guy...
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I think it's safe to assume by his defending cops murdering george floyd, that this is the same kind of reasoning he would apply to anybody being drunk and belligerent. Or maybe only cops are aloud to execute drunk and belligerent people in his mind. I can only make evidence based assumptions...
I don't recall Vahn ever saying he was ok with Floyd's murder (prove me wrong), only the make believers here are saying that.
He's saying there's more to this story than originally reported.
Yes there is more to the story. And none of it justifies the force used or George's death. Vauhn is using a type of "look at what shes wearing, she was asking for it" style of argument. And I'm not falling for it. George floyd was guilty until proven innocent and his day in court will never be had.
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Enlil said:
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So if a person threatens an officer with bodily harm or death, deadly force isn't an option...only another person other than the officer?
That's how it should be. An officer should place his own life as secondary when he's on duty.
Even if you think that's how it should be, do you have the law on your side?
In what way?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26866944 - 08/06/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is an officer allowed to use lethal force if threatened with death, per hummingbird's question.
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Is an officer allowed to use lethal force if threatened with death, per hummingbird's question.
In some places. In some places probably not. Either way, normal citizens generally have a duty to retreat if possible. Cops should have that duty as well.
The idea that cops should have special privileges is antithetical to a free society.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867100 - 08/06/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is an officer allowed to use lethal force if threatened with death, per hummingbird's question.
In some places. In some places probably not. Either way, normal citizens generally have a duty to retreat if possible. Cops should have that duty as well.
Obviously. Now you're just running from the question, which was "Is an officer allowed to use lethal force if threatened with death?
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The idea that cops should have special privileges is antithetical to a free society.
Self defense is a "special privilege"?
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I answered the question.
The right to use lethal force without a duty to retreat if possible is a special privilege, yes
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil] 1
#26867113 - 08/06/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I answered the question.
The right to use lethal force without a duty to retreat if possible is a special privilege, yes
Wouldn't that duty to retreat go agianst their duty to fight crime?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#26867118 - 08/06/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol, duty to fight crime. You crack me up, dude.
How does killing people fight crime?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867136 - 08/06/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I answered the question.
The right to use lethal force without a duty to retreat if possible is a special privilege, yes
Ok then, back to my original question: "Even if you think that's how it should be, do you have the law on your side?
The answer that you dodged appears to be "no".
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I have no side. I have values, morals, and convictions.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867139 - 08/06/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol, duty to fight crime. You crack me up, dude.
How does killing people fight crime?
Fighting crime doesn't inherently mean killing people
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Using lethal force does, though.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867161 - 08/06/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was just asking if your "values, morals, and convictions" aligns with current law. The answer appears to be no, as police in America are allowed to kill if they feel their life is being threatened.
I'm not against your suggestion of disarming the police, but that wasn't the original question.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867180 - 08/06/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Using lethal force does, though.
They're only supposed to use lethal force if their or someone else's life is threatened
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What's your point?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26867220 - 08/06/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That your duty to retreat proposition conflicts with a cops duty to fight crime
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Only if killing people is fighting crime, a notion which I reject.
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