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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Necropolis] 2
#25539014 - 10/15/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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waves said: I'd rather take my chances with the criminals myself than have those self-righteous sociopaths "protecting" me.
Why don't you move to compton then?
As someone who grew up in South Central Los Angeles, I can tell you that going to Compton is one surefire way to increase ones odds of getting shot by a cop. I once got pulled over on a test drive for a vehicle, thrown face down on the ground at gunpoint, handcuffed, then thrown in the back of a cruiser before they even asked for my ID.
Were your pants sagging? You can't honestly answer that, you probably don't know. It would be nice to see how all of you were presenting yourselves when you had these terrible encounters with police. Myself and everyone I know just about has never had these problems, even in the worst crime ridden parts of the US.
No, I was in shorts and a tee shirt. I was 35 at the time. As soon as the cop saw my white, blonde girlfriend in the back seat, he apologized to her and let me go.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#25539054 - 10/15/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: No, I was in shorts and a tee shirt. I was 35 at the time. As soon as the cop saw my white, blonde girlfriend in the back seat, he apologized to her and let me go.
So you aren't white? I'm not sure it matters too much that your girlfriend was blond. I think you may have hallucinated that part about the cop apologizing because of your girlfriend being blond.
It's understandable, in a situation like that, if you're black for example and the cop is white, it's easy to draw conclusions like that. But if I did that, then I'd be racist too. I have been stopped in a similar manner. The problem is often the information being given to the beat cops by the dispatcher or whoever else in their chain of command.
I was stopped once for wearing a black t shirt and blue jeans and being near a convenience store. They had a call about a guy panhandling and I knew who it was, it was a gay mexican dude about a foot shorter than me who also happened to be wearing a black t shirt and blue jeans.
So I said to the cop "You got a call about a guy panhandling with a black t shirt and blue jeans, but I'm guessing he wasn't 6'5 and white"
The cop ignored that part and asked me if I'd ever been arrested. I said "that's kind of a stupid question, I don't feel like answering it."
He said "Do you want to be arrested?"
I said "Well, you're too fat to catch me anyway so that isn't going to happen"
He tried to open his car door and I just bolted because I knew the area much better than him. He tried to chase after me with the car but there was a road block in his way, so he just shined his spotlight, but I was zigzagging.
Cops aren't trained to shoot you in the leg. If you run, they're basically trained to shoot you in the back. If you have any issue with that, you should take it to the people making the rules and training programs. Even if they don't really want to shoot you in the back, there isn't much other option.
So, it's not always "cops hate da black n brown pplz" because it works both ways. They can be dicks, they can do things they shouldn't do, but a lot of that is a problem with the higher ups in their chain of command and the shitty dispatchers giving them wrong information. The cop I ran from was a fat mexican dude, so maybe it was a racial thing when he targeted me, possibly knowing he was supposed to be looking for someone with a different complexion that was a foot shorter, but who knows.
Most of the time though, I haven't had any problems with the cops. They ask stupid questions, and they are trained to make it look like you're doing something wrong even when you clearly aren't. But for the most part, laws need to be changed, and their training needs to be reorganized. They also need better psychological evaluations. But again, in crime ridden areas and places where ex military are having a tough time finding a job, there aren't a lot of other people willing to do it.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Necropolis] 1
#25539270 - 10/15/18 12:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, YOU made up the part about him apologizing because she was blonde. I said he apologized to her when he saw her.
Even you felt the need to run from a cop. I've never run from a cop, but I've been pulled over and searched dozens of times. I've had guns drawn on me at least a dozen times.
On top of that, I've had clients arrested for being black in starbucks.
Your love of cops is your choice. That doesn't mean that this nation doesn't objectively have a problem with police oppression. I'm all for the right to carry a weapon, but police should not be allowed to carry while on duty.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#25539392 - 10/15/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: No, YOU made up the part about him apologizing because she was blonde. I said he apologized to her when he saw her.
You implied that's why he let you go and apologized. I'm guessing you're one of those people that just gets nervous around cops. Since this is a drug site you probably have your reasons. Now since you felt the need to point out your girlfriend was blond and white and implied that's why he let you go,... I'm guessing you're a hispanic jew that works at starbucks? If that is the case then I can understand your nervousness in a situation like that.
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Why don't you move to England? That's exactly how it is in much of England. Police and guns aren't the problem. It's the way police departments are managed. It's the information.
All this cop bashing, like I said, is the reason we can't legalize weed or mushrooms beyond some stupid overly commercialized state level.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Necropolis] 3
#25539528 - 10/15/18 02:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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England has terrible free speech protection. And you're wrong. I'm a white atheist attorney. I talk to cops all of the time. I don't get nervous at all.
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Stable Genius said: Geez I was sure you were a cop? Now I see by your post you're just another redneck, rascist, Trumptard. PS, you don't need to live in the country to be identified as having a red neck either.
What in the world gives you that idea? I don't like tobacco, I smoke weed, I don't vote, I don't wear flannel... maybe you just hate white people that believe in protecting constitutional rights. Oh wait, you're british. Nevermind. Rhetorical statement/insult, you hate guns/yourself. Gotcha.
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Stable Genius said: Geez I was sure you were a cop? Now I see by your post you're just another redneck, rascist, Trumptard. PS, you don't need to live in the country to be identified as having a red neck either.
Why is he a "redneck, racist, Trumptard?"
Because he suggested BOTH whites and blacks are on the receiving end of police abuse?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman] 1
#25539933 - 10/15/18 04:55 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blacks are disproportionately affected. This has been pointed out to you probably 500 times on this forum and that’s lowballing it.
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The Ecstatic said: Blacks are disproportionately affected. This has been pointed out to you probably 500 times on this forum and that’s lowballing it.
They also have a disproportionately higher rate of violent crime, even in countries where blacks were never enslaved.
That would equal more interactions with police, which would statistically equal higher rate of being "affected" in that sense. Not to mention, it's going to make cops more jumpy.
But I must be a racist(and redneck) because I pointed this out and a british/australian dude using a generic insult says so.
EDIT: someone is trying to oppress blacks, and it isn't necessarily the police. Certain police officers of course, but that not all cops are white. Any cop, regardless what race he is, can be racist, and do his job unfairly. But like I keep pointing out, regardless of how you think math and statistics are racist, it's not the fault of the police doing their jobs. Most of them aren't contributing to this sort of thing on purpose. It's the policy makers and management.
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The Ecstatic said: Blacks are disproportionately affected. This has been pointed out to you probably 500 times on this forum and that’s lowballing it.
Males are also disproportionately affected (more so than blacks), so are people in the 18-45 year age range.
Those facts don't mean there's any sort of conspiracy taking place.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman]
#25540228 - 10/15/18 07:05 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you actually believe this shit or is it just what your training manual tells you to say in response to institutionalized racism?
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#25540242 - 10/15/18 07:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it institutional sexism and ageism too?
Or do more males commit more crimes?
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The Ecstatic said: Do you actually believe this shit or is it just what your training manual tells you to say in response to institutionalized racism?
You have stated in the past you're just as concerned about the institutional sexism facing males in the criminal justice system, have you had a change of heart on the issue?
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The Ecstatic said: Do you actually believe this shit or is it just what your training manual tells you to say in response to institutionalized racism?
You have stated in the past you're just as concerned about the institutional sexism facing males in the criminal justice system, have you had a change of heart on the issue?
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You: I’ve always held a moderate viewpoint on the color spectrum.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman] 1
#25540932 - 10/16/18 12:44 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I read his posts? And his comments are clearly rascist, and democrat bashing, also, I forgot to add homophobic. Go back and read them yourself if it's such a concern.
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Stable Genius said: democrat bashing
The only part of your post that isn't a lie.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Necropolis]
#25544087 - 10/17/18 09:20 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tarrio and other people of color at the far-right rallies claim institutional racism no longer exists in America. In their view, blacks are to blame for any lingering inequality because they are dependent on welfare, lack strong leadership, and believe Democrats who tell them “You’re always going to be broke. You’re not going to make it in society because of institutional racism,” as one mixed-race man put it.
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If racism doesn’t exist, I ask Tarrio, how would he explain the disproportionate killing of young black men by police? “Hip-hop culture,” he says. It “glorifies that lifestyle… of selling drugs, shooting up.” Because of that, “Obviously you’re going to have higher crime rates. Obviously you’re going to have more police presence and more confrontations.”
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Sanchez says, “If black people are committing more murders, more robberies, more thefts, more violent crime, that’s why you would see more black men having encounters with the police.”
Also in Seattle, Franky Price, who said he is “black and white,”wore a T-shirt reading, “It’s okay to be white.”
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They are among nearly a dozen black, Latino, and Asian participants at far-right rallies on the West Coast interviewed by The Daily Beast recently. They represent the new face of the far right that some scholars term “multiracial white supremacy.”
lol except not even the white ones are "supremacist"
Good points in the article, but it's leftist propaganda in the title.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-young-men-of-color-are-joining-white-supremacist-groups
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Necropolis]
#25544139 - 10/17/18 09:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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So a demographic that commits more crime increases the potential interactions with law enforcement, which potentially leads to more violent interactions relative to the general population? That's too much basic commonsense there.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman]
#25544177 - 10/17/18 09:52 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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So how much of their increased crime rates are from being more violent and how much of it is from increased policing causing more arrests?
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