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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: meltdowner]
#26738606 - 06/12/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: more whites are killed by blacks than blacks are killed by whites every year. Not per capita, either. If taken into per capita then blacks kill whites 35x more than whites kill blacks. The more you know.
Relevance?
It’s not relevant but your statistical analysis is so shifty it must be corrected. Here’s the FBI data for 2013. 409 whites were killed by blacks. 189 blacks were killed by whites. That’s a little over 2x as many blacks killing whites per capita. (You have to consider there are five times the number of potential white victims as black offenders, and visa versa, so the difference in population size cancels out). I still have no idea how you got 35x.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
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Race baiting? How are either of those headlines race baiting when nobody’s race was mentioned.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 1
#26738615 - 06/12/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Race baiting? How are either of those headlines race baiting when nobody’s race was mentioned.
Because if you didnt read the article its set up to make you think that he was being unjustly arrested; another black guy being unjustly arrested and harrassed by police. Then you read the article and goes on to mention he was actually justly arrested and goes on to say that he wasn't arrested for selling cds at all
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koods said: Race baiting? How are either of those headlines race baiting when nobody’s race was mentioned.
Because if you didnt read the article its set up to make you think that he was being unjustly arrested; another black guy being unjustly arrested and harrassed by police. Then you read the article and goes on to mention he was actually justly arrested and goes on to say that he wasn't arrested for selling cds at all
How would a headline that doesn’t mention race make you think he was a black guy being unjustly arrested?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 1
#26738631 - 06/12/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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12 yo boy appears in court for felony charge.... for selling cds. Then shows the kid, who is black.
At this point you're just trolling
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#26738646 - 06/12/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow so just being black is race baiting. Amazing.
When you see pictures of white people, are you equally triggered by their race? Or is a white person just a person.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Asante] 2
#26738694 - 06/12/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Asante said:

He was selling so he should go to prison for life. Aren't CD's the gateway to fentanyl? Plus, he was a rapper, so life plus 20, cause rapper is codeword for black.
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natedawgnow said: I never once said I thought it was murder. . . . Please, show me where I said the cop would have murdered him if he died?
Right here:
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natedawgnow said: Murder and homicide are the same thing, the term is one punch homicide but one punch killing is more accurate.
Talk about arguing in bad faith dude.
That was a reply to you saying murder wasnt homicide. I was informing you that murder is homicide. Dont believe I said anywhere that if he had died it would be murder.
Again this is you getting your panties in a bunch because I said murder and homicide in the same sentence. You have no argument so you nit pick and avoid the main point by drawing attention these semantics debates.
The words "it would have been murder if he had died" were never posted by me. In fact, I only even brought up homicide at all because you seemed to think the cop didnt do anything wrong because of his lack of ill intent. I was using the one punch homicide as an example of how intent doesnt negate the killing, nothing else.
Seriously dude, your true colors are really showing here.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26739005 - 06/12/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Talk about arguing in bad faith dude.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
#26739309 - 06/12/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: So police should ignore non threatening citizens who are bleeding from the ear?
No. I told Enlil he had a good point many posts ago about how the guy was ignored.
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koods said: Why wasn’t he arrested if he was going for the gun? Are you suggesting that you can try to steal a cops gun and not get arrested? 🤦♂️
It wasn't clear at all he was going for the gun. What I said was he put his hands near the cops' weapons, and asked if the cops should let him do that.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Maybe someone can tell me what a more reasonable response by the cops would have been?
You think pushing him was the most reasonable response?
No. I agreed with natedawgnow that arresting him would have been a better response.
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Cops shouldn't have weapons to begin with. That way, it's not an issue.
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Lost in all this is the question of how in the world is it appropriate for the president to accuse and defame a private citizen? We’ve gotten so used to this that we’ve forgotten how unacceptable this behavior is.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26739424 - 06/12/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Talk about arguing in bad faith dude.
That was a reply to you saying murder wasnt homicide. I was informing you that murder is homicide. Dont believe I said anywhere that if he had died it would be murder.
Let's look at the full text of the conversation:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Is pushing someone "excessive force"? natedawgnow said: I can get murder charges for punching you in the face if you go down and crack your dome and die. It's called one punch homicide. Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't think murder and homicide are the same though. natedawgnow said: Murder and homicide are the same thing, the term is one punch homicide but one punch killing is more accurate. natedawgnow said: Homicide is defined as anything that leads to one human killing another. The type of homicide depends on the action that led to death, whether it was premeditated, etc. Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Exactly. If the guy died, this wouldn't qualify as murder... you just agreed with my argument. Or do you think if the guy died it would be murder? natedawgnow said: No, we dont agree. Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You think it would have been murder if he died, meaning you think the cops had an intent to kill that guy?!?
It looked to me you were arguing it would be murder. That's why I kept asking... to be sure.
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natedawgnow said: Again this is you getting your panties in a bunch because I said murder and homicide in the same sentence. You have no argument so you nit pick and avoid the main point by drawing attention these semantics debates.
Look, if you're now saying you don't think it would have been murder, then we agree, just as I suggested a while ago. But then you said "No, we dont agree".
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natedawgnow said: The words "it would have been murder if he had died" were never posted by me.
I know. I said "you just agreed with my argument" and asked "do you think if the guy died it would be murder?" And you answered "No, we don't agree".
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natedawgnow said: In fact, I only even brought up homicide at all because you seemed to think the cop didnt do anything wrong because of his lack of ill intent.
There you go with the bad faith argument again. I never said the cops didn't do anything wrong, I said the cops didn't intend to murder the guy.
I think it's pretty clear we misunderstood each other. Hopefully, I just made it clear why I misunderstood you.
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He’s not dead so they didn’t murder him. Do you think they illegally assaulted him? This is a yes or no question.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 1
#26739495 - 06/12/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Do you think they illegally assaulted him? This is a yes or no question.
Yes. They should have arrested him rather than push him away.
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Again your issue is because i used the word murder and homicide in the same sentence without clarification. Again, semantics.
It would definitely be homicide of some sort. Sorry I bunched up your panties with the word murder instead of manslaughter, even though enlil already said it could have potentially been labled felony murder had the old man died.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
#26739578 - 06/12/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Again your issue is because i used the word murder and homicide in the same sentence without clarification. Again, semantics.
It would definitely be homicide of some sort.
I agreed it would be homicide, and I also said it wouldn't be murder. But for some reason you said "No, we don't agree".
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natedawgnow said: Sorry I bunched up your panties with the word murder instead of manslaughter, even though enlil already said it could have potentially been labled felony murder had the old man died.
Oh no, my panties again!
Enlil said "If the guy died, it might be manslaughter. It might be felony murder. It would depend on the evidence and what the jury believes."
I'm sure Enlil doesn't believe it was murder based on the video that we saw, nor do I. That's why I kept asking whether you thought so after you said "No, we don't agree".
I think your answer is no, but then I don't know why you thought we disagreed.
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I literally don't give a shit about semantics. If he had died the cop would be guilty of murder, manslaughter, homicide, whatever.
We fundamentally disagree, dude. You seem to think the cops actions were justified, I dont
You seem to think curfew enforcement is acceptable reasons for cops to use excessive force, I dont.
You think that elderly citizens shouldnt stand up to tyranny, I dont.
If the guy had died, you seem to have thought there would be no issue since the cop didnt intend to hurt him, I disagree.
For the record, my reply about murder and 1 punch homicide was in reply to this statement by you:
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I don't think the police intended to injure that guy, though that was unfortunately the end result.
Or is intent not relevant?
I was simply trying to state that lack of intent doesnt mean you arent culpable. You took that and ran with the whole murder vs. Homicide debate because i used the terms interchangeably.
Fucking annoying dude for fucks sake
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#26739723 - 06/12/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holy make believe, dude! No wonder you're so confused. You just keep make believing what I think, and don't seem to pay attention to my posts. I'll show you what I mean...
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natedawgnow said: I literally don't give a shit about semantics. If he had died the cop would be guilty of murder, manslaughter, homicide, whatever.
I agreed with you WAAAAAY back here. I simply added that I didn't think it would be murder, and asked you if you thought it would be. You said "No, we don't agree", and I took that to mean we don't agree about it not being murder, so I kept asking you.
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natedawgnow said: We fundamentally disagree, dude. You seem to think the cops actions were justified, I dont
Where did I say that, Mr. Make Believe Man? I said the guy should be arrested WAAAAAY back here.
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natedawgnow said: You seem to think curfew enforcement is acceptable reasons for cops to use excessive force, I dont.
Where did I say that, Mr. Make Believe Man? I asked whether a push is excessive force, and you implied it could be murder here.
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natedawgnow said: You think that elderly citizens shouldnt stand up to tyranny, I dont.
Where did I say that, Mr Make Believe Man? You claimed I said it, and I argued against your claim here.
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natedawgnow said: If the guy had died, you seem to have thought there would be no issue since the cop didnt intend to hurt him, I disagree.
Where did I say that, Mr Make Believe Man? I said if the guy died I don't think it would be murder.
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natedawgnow said: For the record, my reply about murder and 1 punch homicide was in reply to this statement by you:
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I don't think the police intended to injure that guy, though that was unfortunately the end result.
Or is intent not relevant?
I was simply trying to state that lack of intent doesnt mean you arent culpable. You took that and ran with the whole murder vs. Homicide debate because i used the terms interchangeably.
But as a showed you, I agreed with you very early on that it was homicide; just not murder.
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natedawgnow said: Fucking annoying dude for fucks sake 
Yes, make believe is annoying as fuck. Please stop. Leave that to koods.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26739785 - 06/12/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I just picked up some food and on my way home saw a cop nearly run someone over. They were going 50-60 in a 30 and blew through a red while a bike was crossing on the green. They did the thing like how people use a turn signal after they're already turning. He hit his lights while in the process of blowing the red light. Then promptly turned them off again
That kinda shit is why citizens need dashcams.
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