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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26737332 - 06/11/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What really angers people isn't the guy falling. It's the fact that the cops casually reacted when it happened. If they truly didn't intend it, why didn't someone rush over to help the man right away?
That's a good point.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26737359 - 06/11/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What really angers people isn't the guy falling. It's the fact that the cops casually reacted when it happened. If they truly didn't intend it, why didn't someone rush over to help the man right away?
That's a good point.
Interestingly, I just rewatched this video:
About 15 seconds after the guy dropped, some guys dressed in military uniforms (National Guard?) came to help.
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That's just because the military hasn't been polarized to see the population as the enemy yet
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Or cops should have stayed home because enforcing curfew is kind of like exterminating jews. 
I wouldn't make light of it. Some people hate to make a slippery slope argument. I'm not one of them. Enforcing these curfews with the brutal tactics that have been displayed repeatedly in response to protests about police brutality is brazen and enabling such behavior is how we end up with a fascist police state.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#26737508 - 06/11/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya, but police brutality in general is the problem. I'm not sure whether curfews have done anything to make it worse. It's just another place for it to happen.
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Its an excuse to legalize brutality where no excuse existed.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#26737559 - 06/11/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: The crazy part is how relatively tame it was compared to the many more brutal assaults committed by police over the last couple weeks. It looks extra bad because it was an old white guy, i guess, but they were doing much nastier shit like running people over or shooting their eyes out, routinely. NYPD cop did the same thing to a petite woman but much harder. launched her several feet before she smashed her head on the pavement and had to be rushed to the ER. It is a pattern of violent and reckless behavior repeated in city after city, in every state across the U.S. I'm tired of parsing the details of each shitty encounter.
It wasnt as crazy as say the big dude getting dragged into the police line and stones and batoned because he yelled at police for using excessive gorde. You can tell the officer wasnt shoving with his full force but its a 75 year old man. Its not going to take much to knock him over and a fall for persona of that age is exponentially more likely to end in a serious injury. It just goes to show that whether its little kids,old people, midgets, fat dudes who can hardly breath just walking down the road, or Jerrys Kids, if the police feel like your disrespecting them theyre going to serve and protect some serious trauma on you.
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many people have caught a beatdown for things like giving the cops the finger.
I knew a dipshit methhead that took a serious beating because he was all twacked and paranoid and ran from a cop car for no reason. Since he ran, he caught their interest and they chased. Since they had to chase, they kicked his ass when they caught him. He didn't even have anything on him. Wasn't committing any crimes aside from being high out of his mind.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#26737696 - 06/11/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just picked up some food and on my way home saw a cop nearly run someone over. They were going 50-60 in a 30 and blew through a red while a bike was crossing on the green. They did the thing like how people use a turn signal after they're already turning. He hit his lights while in the process of blowing the red light. Then promptly turned them off again
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natedawgnow said: Regardless of what type of homicide it is, the cop would definitely have been the one that killed the guy if he had died.
Obviously.
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natedawgnow said: No, we dont agree.
You think it would have been murder if he died, meaning you think the cops had an intent to kill that guy?!?
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natedawgnow said: I'm not here to argue semantics with you.
This discussion started when koods claimed Trump rebroadcast something from Sputnik (he's since edited his post, but I caught the original). Koods then tried to argue that since the guy also worked for Sputnik, that OAN broadcasting it is the same as Sputnik broadcasting it. Maybe that's semantics to you, but to me he changed the story. Maybe murder vs manslaughter is just semantics to you, but they mean different things.
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natedawgnow said: You are not a good person, obviously, since you seriously cant see why this cop was in the wrong.
Here's at least the third time I'm going to ask this, and I'll up it in big letters this time:
What should the police have done when the guy approached their lineup which was trying to enforce curfew?
"Not crack his head open" is an obvious non-answer.
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natedawgnow said: Had the old man died the cop definitely would have been guilty of homicide, in some form.
Right now it appears to be assault
Agreed.
I never once said I thought it was murder. I said that it is possible to murder somebody with a punch, and said it's called a one punch homicide, and you got all hung up on the fact I said murder and homicide in the same sentence then played a semantics game about their definitions.
Debating with you is tiresome as fuck and the only person not arguing i good faith is you. Please, show me where I said the cop would have murdered him if he died?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Ya, but police brutality in general is the problem. I'm not sure whether curfews have done anything to make it worse. It's just another place for it to happen.
What? A curfew makes protests illegal after a certain time. The curfews have been the number one justification for the crackdown on protesters. As soon as they were lifted all the violence magically stopped.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26738082 - 06/11/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: That's just because the military hasn't been polarized to see the population as the enemy yet
There’s no union for members of the military
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Enlil said: What really angers people isn't the guy falling. It's the fact that the cops casually reacted when it happened. If they truly didn't intend it, why didn't someone rush over to help the man right away?
That's a good point.
It also demonstrates the police felt no threat. Threatened cops demand people they’ve just shot show their hands. they handcuff them. They yell at them to stay down. This guy was ignored. They just walked past him.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 1
#26738150 - 06/11/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 1
#26738164 - 06/11/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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more whites are killed by blacks than blacks are killed by whites every year. Not per capita, either. If taken into per capita then blacks kill whites 35x more than whites kill blacks. The more you know.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
#26738232 - 06/11/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I never once said I thought it was murder. . . . Please, show me where I said the cop would have murdered him if he died?
Right here:
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natedawgnow said: Murder and homicide are the same thing, the term is one punch homicide but one punch killing is more accurate.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
#26738242 - 06/11/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: It also demonstrates the police felt no threat. Threatened cops demand people they’ve just shot show their hands. they handcuff them. They yell at them to stay down. This guy was ignored. They just walked past him.
It demonstrates they felt he was no threat after he was knocked to the ground and bleeding out of his ear.
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natedawgnow said: It also demonstrates the police felt no threat. Threatened cops demand people they’ve just shot show their hands. they handcuff them. They yell at them to stay down. This guy was ignored. They just walked past him.
It demonstrates they felt he was no threat after he was knocked to the ground and bleeding out of his ear.
So police should ignore non threatening citizens who are bleeding from the ear? Who exactly are the police serving? Why wasn’t he arrested if he was going for the gun? Are you suggesting that you can try to steal a cops gun and not get arrested? 🤦♂️
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Maybe someone can tell me what a more reasonable response by the cops would have been?
You think pushing him was the most reasonable response? Say he really was going for the gun. Pushing him would not reasonably be expected to disable him. They didnt know he would fall over. You push someone to get them out of the way. You grab their arm to keep them from taking your gun.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Asante] 1
#26738601 - 06/12/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, i just searched that what race baiting misleading headline. From the article: Corey is now facing charges of felony obstruction, misdemeanor criminal trespass and disorderly conduct. His aunt has been charged with felony obstruction, criminal trespass, disorderly conduct and giving a false name and date of birth to police.
Nowhere does it say he was charged for selling cds
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Witnesses told police they saw Jackson push the officer and swing at him while trying to get away, Register said. Corey and his aunt — who was not identified by police — were arrested after an altercation with the officer, a portion of which was caught on video.
adding that the boy’s aunt “physically attacked” the unidentified officer. Corey had been previously issued a criminal trespass warning after being caught selling CDs inside the mall for a second time a week before the Oct. 6 incident.
“What that meant is if they caught the young man back on the premises of Cumberland Mall selling CDs, then they would request that the police make a criminal trespass case [against] the young man,”
Corey, meanwhile, was not jailed at a youth detention center and was instead released into the custody of his father, according to the newspaper.
Also note that one was charged and one was convicted. I couldn't find any follow up articles on the case so who knows the charges were probably dropped 
But since he's an aspiring rapper im assuming getting arrested would help his career and help him get that sweet sweet street cred
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