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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26737220 - 06/11/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Those cops should have stayed home.



I don't think it was the cops' decision to have a city curfew enforced.

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Barring that, they could do their jobs in a civilized fashion.  They could have cuffed the guy and detained him without any violence whatsoever had the situation required it.  Instead they assaulted him and busted his head on the concrete.  Any reasonable person would agree that there was no cause to assault that man.



Agreed.  But I don't think it was their intent to crack his head open, or to 'murder' him.  :shrug:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26737224 - 06/11/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I answered it bro. They could ask him to leave again.



They did that, and obviously the guy didn't listen.

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They could also ignore him.



No, they couldn't have.  Their job was to clear the square for the curfew, so leaving people there wasn't an option.

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They could have peacefully arrested him. You should be disqualified from the force if you couldn't arrest a 75 year old man peacefully



Based on the video, I think the cops' primary goal was to clear the square, not to arrest people.  But that's a good answer.

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So do me the favor and answer your own question now.



The 'peaceful arrest' (whatever that means) that you just suggested.  :shrug:



Just doing your job isn't something you always have to do. Remember how world war 2 taught everyone not to be blind order followers. You don't have to do bad things if you're told to do them.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26737233 - 06/11/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Is enforcing a curfew a 'bad thing'?  I'm against curfews, but if cops are told to enforce a curfew, I kind of think they should.  :shrug:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #26737240 - 06/11/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you take that order as permission to rough people up for not complying you're a certifiable piece of shit :shrug:
Anyone who wasn't a piece of shit would handle that situation far better.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26737241 - 06/11/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Pushing an old man to the ground isn't enforcing a curfew, though, anymore than running someone over is patrolling the neighborhood.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26737245 - 06/11/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Pushing an old man to the ground isn't enforcing a curfew, though



Agreed.  But again, "I don't think it was their intent to make him fall or to 'murder' him".  I think they just wanted him to move away from the police line.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26737250 - 06/11/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Buffalo police shoving old protesters could be part of Orwellian NWO enforcement. Police appear to have potentially disabled protesters ability to peacefully exit the areas where curfew's were being or about to be enforced. In order to escalate the situation to a use of force situation. I watched and the police were bigger piles of shit than anyone would expect. Could be a setup?

Just want to throw it out there maybe could be investigated or something


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26737251 - 06/11/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I get that, but if an old man was in your way, would you ever consider shoving him?  The reason cops consider it is because they have long enjoyed a privileged position of "super-citizen."  Their words are given additional credibility.  They are given every benefit of the doubt.  They feel entitled to push an old man because that old man might have inconvenienced them.

I'm confident you wouldn't though.  Most people wouldn't.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26737263 - 06/11/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldnt a possible charge be aggravated assault/battery rather than simple assault/ battery due to the victims age?


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26737266 - 06/11/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Bootlickers be like want shroomery mods held to higher standards but not the cops


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26737274 - 06/11/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You guys must weld more power, man. You messing with peoples minds and all.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26737273 - 06/11/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Those cops should have stayed home.



I don't think it was the cops' decision to have a city curfew enforced.





It absolutely was.  Nobody put guns to their heads and forced them.  We all have choices that we make every day.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #26737280 - 06/11/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The police have a pubic relations nightmare on their hands today. Taking that obvious reality into consideration, one would think they would do everything possible to avoid police brutality accusations at a police brutality protest!!  But guess what?  They can't deprogram decades of causal abuse of US citizens at a moments notice. It doesn't matter if there's hundreds of cameras video recording their actions, they still go over the top. Ask yourself, what would they do if not under the microscope?  What would they do without being video recorded? 

This guy from Buffalo is a PR disaster for law enforcement regardless of the technicalities of the case. The perception from the public is the only thing that counts in his case and the verdict is already in, it's police abuse.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman] * 3
    #26737294 - 06/11/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The crazy part is how relatively tame it was compared to the many more brutal assaults committed by police over the last couple weeks.  It looks extra bad because it was an old white guy, i guess, but they were doing much nastier shit like running people over or shooting their eyes out, routinely.  NYPD cop did the same thing to a petite woman but much harder.  launched her several feet before she smashed her head on the pavement and had to be rushed to the ER.  It is a pattern of violent and reckless behavior repeated in city after city, in every state across the U.S.  I'm tired of parsing the details of each shitty encounter.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26737296 - 06/11/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Wouldnt a possible charge be aggravated assault/battery rather than simple assault/ battery due to the victims age?



That's very specific to NY law, which I don't know.  I passed the NY bar long ago and never bothered to get licensed.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26737300 - 06/11/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Those cops should have stayed home.



I don't think it was the cops' decision to have a city curfew enforced.





It absolutely was.  Nobody put guns to their heads and forced them.  We all have choices that we make every day.



On top of that, a bunch of them made the choice to resign from that unit a couple of days later.  That makes it pretty clear that it was their choice in the first place.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26737305 - 06/11/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There is no doubt that the police need to do a WHOLE LOT better.

I just thought in this particular case the fall and resulting injury was accidental.

But I guess the consensus opinion is the guy should have been 'peacefully' arrested.

Or cops should have stayed home because enforcing curfew is kind of like exterminating jews.  :shrug:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26737307 - 06/11/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The British Police let people throw a statue in the river but going home isn't an option for American police during peaceful protest.


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    #26737308 - 06/11/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The crazy part is how relatively tame it was compared to the many more brutal assaults committed by police over the last couple weeks.  It looks extra bad because it was an old white guy, i guess, but they were doing much nastier shit like running people over or shooting their eyes out, routinely.  NYPD cop did the same thing to a petite woman but much harder.  launched her several feet before she smashed her head on the pavement and had to be rushed to the ER.  It is a pattern of violent and reckless behavior repeated in city after city, in every state across the U.S.  I'm tired of parsing the details of each shitty encounter.




Instead of going to the table to compromise with the people the employee them, the police have instead doubled down with force to maintain the established dominance over US citizens.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #26737314 - 06/11/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What really angers people isn't the guy falling.  It's the fact that the cops casually reacted when it happened.  If they truly didn't intend it, why didn't someone rush over to help the man right away?

I've made a lot of mistakes in my life.  One time, I accidentally elbowed my wife in the eye while we were in bed.  She didn't have to wonder if it was abuse, though, because she immediately saw my reaction of rushing to make sure she was alright. 

Where was that here?


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