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bodhisatta 
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26737084 - 06/11/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cops are indoctrinated with stuoid mantras like "judged by 12 rather than carried by 6". They're shown footage of cops being ambushed and killed in the academy.
If you don't have the balls to handle a 75 year old man then you shouldn't even be a cop. An ordinary citizen openly carrying (if you want to cite potential reaching for a weapon) wouldn't have shoved the guy
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bodhisatta 
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So what lol....
If you tell your girlfriend to stop arguing with you but she keeps going you're the kind that would shove her is what I think you're getting at
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26737095 - 06/11/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'm the kind of guy that would put a bullet through her brain.
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natedawgnow said: I can get murder charges for punching you in the face if you go down and crack your dome and die. It's called one punch homicide. I didnt intend to kill you but it happens.
I don't think murder and homicide are the same though.
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natedawgnow said: That cop shoved an elderly man. What if I pushed your grandma and she fell and bust a hip? Would you say that I didn't actually push her that hard?
My grandma shouldn't be challenging police orders to obey curfew at her age. If she broke her hip as a result, of course I'd be mad at the police, as I am in this case.
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natedawgnow said: Old people have a hard time with balance and what not already, that cop is a piece of shit and everybody but you seems to get that.
So cops should have a policy to allow the elderly get their hands close to their weapons?
Maybe someone can tell me what a more reasonable response by the cops would have been?
Murder and homicide are the same thing, the term is one punch homicide but one punch killing is more accurate. I didn't make up the term.
You have no argument so instead you nit pick. Jesus dude what happened to you.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
#26737106 - 06/11/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Homicide is defined as anything that leads to one human killing another. The type of homicide depends on the action that led to death, whether it was premeditated, etc.
At least thats how i understand it
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26737107 - 06/11/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Cops are indoctrinated with stuoid mantras like "judged by 12 rather than carried by 6". They're shown footage of cops being ambushed and killed in the academy.
Exactly.
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bodhisatta said: If you don't have the balls to handle a 75 year old man then you shouldn't even be a cop.
They handled him. What they should have done when the guy decided to try and stop the line of officers enforcing curfew?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
#26737111 - 06/11/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Homicide is defined as anything that leads to one human killing another. The type of homicide depends on the action that led to death, whether it was premeditated, etc.
At least thats how i understand it
Exactly. If the guy died, this wouldn't qualify as murder.
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natedawgnow said: You have no argument so instead you nit pick. Jesus dude what happened to you.
Actually, I have an argument and you just agreed with my argument. Or do you think if the guy died it would be murder?
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If the guy died, it might be manslaughter. It might be felony murder. It would depend on the evidence and what the jury believes.
Both are homicide. Homicide is the general term, with murder, manslaughter, etc. being subsets thereof. Not every homicide is murder, but every murder is a homicide. Not every homicide is even a crime, frankly.
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Regardless of what type of homicide it is, the cop would definitely have been the one that killed the guy if he had died. No, we dont agree.
I'm not here to argue semantics with you. You are not a good person, obviously, since you seriously cant see why this cop was in the wrong. Had the old man died the cop definitely would have been guilty of homicide, in some form.
Right now it appears to be assault
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: No, I'm the kind of guy that would put a bullet through her brain.

Look the cops cant set up a mandatory beat down zone. No one give a shit if they were enforcing curfew or told people to disperse. The action wasn't anywhere near justified. You don't get to assault people because they made you mad
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
#26737130 - 06/11/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: If the guy died, it might be manslaughter. It might be felony murder. It would depend on the evidence and what the jury believes.
Fair enough.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 3
#26737131 - 06/11/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your grandma shouldnt be out protesting? Great way to infantalise the elderly. Your grandma is an american with rights and regardless of what you believe or what enlil posted, curfews are bullshit.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26737151 - 06/11/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Regardless of what type of homicide it is, the cop would definitely have been the one that killed the guy if he had died.
Obviously.
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natedawgnow said: No, we dont agree.
You think it would have been murder if he died, meaning you think the cops had an intent to kill that guy?!?
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natedawgnow said: I'm not here to argue semantics with you.
This discussion started when koods claimed Trump rebroadcast something from Sputnik (he's since edited his post, but I caught the original). Koods then tried to argue that since the guy also worked for Sputnik, that OAN broadcasting it is the same as Sputnik broadcasting it. Maybe that's semantics to you, but to me he changed the story. Maybe murder vs manslaughter is just semantics to you, but they mean different things.
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natedawgnow said: You are not a good person, obviously, since you seriously cant see why this cop was in the wrong.
Here's at least the third time I'm going to ask this, and I'll up it in big letters this time:
What should the police have done when the guy approached their lineup which was trying to enforce curfew?
"Not crack his head open" is an obvious non-answer.
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natedawgnow said: Had the old man died the cop definitely would have been guilty of homicide, in some form.
Right now it appears to be assault
Agreed.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26737155 - 06/11/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Look the cops cant set up a mandatory beat down zone.
Obviously.
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bodhisatta said: No one give a shit if they were enforcing curfew or told people to disperse. The action wasn't anywhere near justified. You don't get to assault people because they made you mad
Answer the question in big letters from my last post, please.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26737164 - 06/11/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Your grandma shouldnt be out protesting? Great way to infantalise the elderly. Your grandma is an american with rights
Of course she can protest. Can you not argue in good faith? 
I said "My grandma shouldn't be challenging police orders to obey curfew". Like defying their orders to disperse and walking up to them and challenging their police line.
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natedawgnow said: ...regardless of what you believe or what enlil posted, curfews are bullshit.
I already agreed with you on that many posts ago.
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Asked him to leave first. You seem to be having trouble with your big letter question. So here's one for you
how would cops that were not little bitches handled that old man? How would cops from a country with a civilized police force have handled it? How would you have handled him?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26737187 - 06/11/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Asked him to leave first.
They obviously did that already. Did you miss the video with the lineup of cops to clear out the square?
The guy challenged them anyway. So what should they have done?
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bodhisatta said: You seem to be having trouble with your big letter question.
It wasn't a question for me, it was a question for you. Still waiting on an answer.
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bodhisatta said: how would cops that were not little bitches handled that old man? How would cops from a country with a civilized police force have handled it? How would you have handled him?
That's what I'm asking you.
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I answered it bro. They could ask him to leave again. They could also ignore him. They could have peacefully arrested him. You should be disqualified from the force if you couldn't arrest a 75 year old man peacefully
So do me the favor and answer your own question now.
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Those cops should have stayed home. Barring that, they could do their jobs in a civilized fashion. They could have cuffed the guy and detained him without any violence whatsoever had the situation required it. Instead they assaulted him and busted his head on the concrete. Any reasonable person would agree that there was no cause to assault that man.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#26737214 - 06/11/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I answered it bro. They could ask him to leave again.
They did that, and obviously the guy didn't listen.
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bodhisatta said: They could also ignore him.
No, they couldn't have. Their job was to clear the square for the curfew, so leaving people there wasn't an option.
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bodhisatta said: They could have peacefully arrested him. You should be disqualified from the force if you couldn't arrest a 75 year old man peacefully
Based on the video, I think the cops' primary goal was to clear the square, not to arrest people. But that's a good answer.
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bodhisatta said: So do me the favor and answer your own question now.
The 'peaceful arrest' (whatever that means) that you just suggested.
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