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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26733105 - 06/10/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is your wife blind? How anybody can interpret tbat as him reaching for a weapon
is beyond me :facepalm:



No, she's not blind.  She recently attended a citizen police academy (I forgot the exact name) where she drove around with local cops and watched real videos of how police activity that looked routine turned deadly for police in an instant.  Hence, she's seen things that most people haven't, and has much more of an appreciation for why many police can be nervous.




She didn’t see the fact the guys hands were both occupied at the time.

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Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion.  It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head...



Just asking (stupid) questions.



Got an answer on whether cops can push someone away who touches or almost touches them, or can you only do insults?




Yes. They can’t. That’s why they have been charged with a crime.

For some reason, you seem intent on raising doubt on what is not just an already settled question, but also a morally unambiguous one.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
    #26733126 - 06/10/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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OAN and Sputnik were the same entity because the reporter works for both outlets.



That's not how things work, unless you can show OAN is controlled by Russia.

Ed Schultz also worked for RT and MSNBC, but said he preferred working for RT because MSNBC wouldn't let him cover Bernie favorably, and they even censored Ed's coverage of Bernie's presidential announcement at Bernie's house.  Does that mean Ed Schultz is spreading American propaganda on RT?

Chris Hedges, Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Lee Camp, Ed Schultz, and Abby Martin also work/worked for RT.

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For some reason, you seem intent on raising doubt on what is not just an already settled question, but also a morally unambiguous one.



Source, or make believe?  You don't think I can find dozens of outlets that say police had a right to push they guy away?


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26733235 - 06/10/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's a terrible response from Trump. Parroting gossip, sharing his brain farts in the same way he announces foreign policy. What an ordinary display of leadership :thumbdown:



I really dont get why he tweeted that. Everyone was in the middle of forgetting and he goes and makes it front page news agian :lol:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26733238 - 06/10/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is your wife blind? How anybody can interpret tbat as him reaching for a weapon
is beyond me :facepalm:



No, she's not blind.  She recently attended a citizen police academy (I forgot the exact name) where she drove around with local cops and watched real videos of how police activity that looked routine turned deadly for police in an instant.  Hence, she's seen things that most people haven't, and has much more of an appreciation for why many police can be nervous.



Again, which hand was he going to hold the weapon in? The mystical 3rd hand that your
wife was trained to see in these situations to help justify police brutality?


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26733292 - 06/10/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Source, or make believe?  You don't think I can find dozens of outlets that say police had a right to push they guy away?



And the only one that really matters is the opinion of the prosecutors who arrested them for assault.

Ed Schultz wasn’t working for both at the same time was he?

The Sputnik article said the president tweet was presented without evidence. That’s not true. He cited the OAN story, reported by someone who also works for Sputnik. The fact that the president was basing his tweet on something he heard from a reporter who works for Sputnik should have been clearly highlighted in the Sputnik article.

As someone who professes to value journalistic integrity, I’m sure you agree.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26733413 - 06/10/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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OAN and Sputnik were the same entity because the reporter works for both outlets.



That's not how things work, unless you can show OAN is controlled by Russia.

Ed Schultz also worked for RT and MSNBC, but said he preferred working for RT because MSNBC wouldn't let him cover Bernie favorably, and they even censored Ed's coverage of Bernie's presidential announcement at Bernie's house.  Does that mean Ed Schultz is spreading American propaganda on RT?

Chris Hedges, Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Lee Camp, Ed Schultz, and Abby Martin also work/worked for RT.

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For some reason, you seem intent on raising doubt on what is not just an already settled question, but also a morally unambiguous one.



Source, or make believe?  You don't think I can find dozens of outlets that say police had a right to push they guy away?



Media doesn't get to decide what cops can and can't do.... You're not really that dense.

That wasn't reasonable force to anyone but a police apologist

Even if he had a weapon their post shove response didn't really lead anyone to believe the cops felt that way.
Even if he was antagonizing and provoking. It wasn't a reasonable or justified.



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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #26733648 - 06/10/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And their lack of reaction when he hit the ground and had blood running out of his ear tells us that the old man falling was exactly the intention of the shove.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #26733769 - 06/10/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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My wife thinks he may have wanted to grab a weapon






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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26733776 - 06/10/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I can't get over all the people repeating that "he fell harder than he was shoved" or whatever.  Like, so what?  What's the implication here?  That the guy bashed his own head on the ground and put himself in the hospital to make the cops look bad?  That's some serious dedication to the cause.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26733838 - 06/10/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s meant to prime the brain by suggesting mental imagery that changes the way you perceive the world. If you tell someone “he was reaching for the gub”  then show the video people are more likely to interpret his moves as trying to grab the gun.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] * 3
    #26734013 - 06/10/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If the cop believed he was reaching for the gun, he would have been arrested once he went down.  The cops wouldn't have been casually walking by as the old man lay there bleeding.

As to the "he fell harder than the shove" nonsense, he's an old man.  It doesn't take much to throw him off balance. Anyone can see that, and the cop was in a better position to see it than any of us.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26734101 - 06/10/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anybody making excuses for their behavior, assaulting an old man like that, is a prime example of a scumbags. Plain and simple. And I hope anyone makong those excuses gets their teeth atomped in when theyre in their 80s and have at least ten people there to tell them that their teeth over reacted to the boot.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26734167 - 06/10/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Again, which hand was he going to hold the weapon in? The mystical 3rd hand that your
wife was trained to see in these situations to help justify police brutality?



She watched videos where people killed cops after it appeared they had everything under control.  IF he wanted a weapon, he could have dropped his phone while his hand was next to it.  I don't think that's what he was doing, but the question remains weather citizens are entitled to swipe their hands across a cop without getting pushed away.  Enlil refused to answer that question for some strange reason.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26734184 - 06/10/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's a stupid question.  It has nothing to do with him being a cop.  You can use reasonable force to defend yourself against a threat of imminent harm.  There's no threat of imminent harm, and certainly nothing to suddenly make it "reasonable" to push an old man to the ground and crack his skull open.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
    #26734215 - 06/10/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Source, or make believe?  You don't think I can find dozens of outlets that say police had a right to push they guy away?



And the only one that really matters is the opinion of the prosecutors who arrested them for assault.



The only opinion that really matters is the opinion of the jury or the judge who looks at this case.

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The Sputnik article said the president tweet was presented without evidence. That’s not true.



No, it didn't say he had no evidence.  It said he had no evidence in his Tweet.  Quit make believing.

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He cited the OAN story, reported by someone who also works for Sputnik. The fact that the president was basing his tweet on something he heard from a reporter who works for Sputnik should have been clearly highlighted in the Sputnik article.

As someone who professes to value journalistic integrity, I’m sure you agree.



Trump didn't say where he got the story.  And the author of the Sputnik story may not have known about the OAN story.

You like to make believe that Putin and Sputnik have magical superpowers that allow them to know absolutely everything that goes on in the world.  I won't make believe with you.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26734224 - 06/10/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Media doesn't get to decide what cops can and can't do.... You're not really that dense.



Nope.  A court decides.  And it hasn't gone there yet, so koods was make believing when he said this is an already settled question.

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That wasn't reasonable force to anyone but a police apologist



Perhaps.  We'll see what the courts decide...


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26734235 - 06/10/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't get over all the people repeating that "he fell harder than he was shoved" or whatever.  Like, so what?  What's the implication here?  That the guy bashed his own head on the ground and put himself in the hospital to make the cops look bad?  That's some serious dedication to the cause.



Answering for myself, the guy got pushed, and 99% of people pushed like that would have stepped backwards and that would have been the end of it.  But he was 75 and he fell over, and that's the reason it became such a big issue.  :shrug:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26734248 - 06/10/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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...the question remains weather citizens are entitled to swipe their hands across a cop without getting pushed away.  Enlil refused to answer that question for some strange reason.



It's a stupid question.  It has nothing to do with him being a cop.  You can use reasonable force to defend yourself against a threat of imminent harm.  There's no threat of imminent harm, and certainly nothing to suddenly make it "reasonable" to push an old man to the ground and crack his skull open.



It may be a stupid question for a group of lawyers, but most of us here aren't lawyers.

So you're saying the cops WERE justified for pushing the guy away!  Sure, the end result was bad, but I don't think the push was intended to crack the guy's skull open.  And I KNOW there are many others who would agree that wasn't the cops' intent.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26734251 - 06/10/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Source, or make believe?  You don't think I can find dozens of outlets that say police had a right to push they guy away?



And the only one that really matters is the opinion of the prosecutors who arrested them for assault.



The only opinion that really matters is the opinion of the jury or the judge who looks at this case.



No the prosecutor says it’s a crime. The jury decides if the they are guilty of that crime.
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The Sputnik article said the president tweet was presented without evidence. That’s not true.



No, it didn't say he had no evidence.  It said he had no evidence in his Tweet.  Quit make believing.



Jesus you have to argue for the sake of arguing. My wording is an accurate representation of what the article said.

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He cited the OAN story, reported by someone who also works for Sputnik. The fact that the president was basing his tweet on something he heard from a reporter who works for Sputnik should have been clearly highlighted in the Sputnik article.

As someone who professes to value journalistic integrity, I’m sure you agree.



Trump didn't say where he got the story.  And the author of the Sputnik story may not have known about the OAN story.

You like to make believe that Putin and Sputnik have magical superpowers that allow them to know absolutely everything that goes on in the world.  I won't make believe with you.



Yes trump cited OAN in his tweet..


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26734257 - 06/10/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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...the question remains weather citizens are entitled to swipe their hands across a cop without getting pushed away.  Enlil refused to answer that question for some strange reason.



It's a stupid question.  It has nothing to do with him being a cop.  You can use reasonable force to defend yourself against a threat of imminent harm.  There's no threat of imminent harm, and certainly nothing to suddenly make it "reasonable" to push an old man to the ground and crack his skull open.



It may be a stupid question for a group of lawyers, but most of us here aren't lawyers.

So you're saying the cops WERE justified for pushing the guy away!  Sure, the end result was bad, but I don't think the push was intended to crack the guy's skull open.  And I KNOW there are many others who would agree that wasn't the cops' intent.




Pushing him is assault. It doesn’t depend on him falling.

Now, here’s a question: is the trump tweet libelous


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