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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26732887 - 06/09/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Bad call by the cops, that guy did not lay a finger on them...



Watch 1:06-1:07:

https://twitter.com/lispower1/status/1270336679501594624?s=21

It looks to me like he touched them with his phone.

I agree, bad reaction by the cops.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26732888 - 06/09/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Who gives a fuck what it appears to you to be?  Even if he did, which he clearly didn't, does that change the fact that the cops did the wrong thing?  Absolutely not.  It is simply not alright for you, me, tucker Carlson, or Donald Trump to start victim blaming a 75 year old man who got knocked onto the concrete so that blood ran out of his ear because a young cop in paramilitary gear pushed him.

What is wrong with your reason, dude?  If it were anyone other than Putin or Trump saying this shit, you'd be all over it.




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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 8
    #26732890 - 06/09/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't matter if he touched the cop.  You seriously can't tell me that you don't see the true evil in recasting that video from being a 75 year old man unlawfully knocked down to a video about some man that might have touched a cop.

You really know better.

It's like saying, "Hitler was innovative as fuck the way he was able to efficiently dispose of all of those people with so little of his own manpower at use."

Evil occurred in that video.  It occurred under the volition of police.  Shifting focus away from that and looking at the dude's phone, his haircut, his shoe size, or any other bullshit irrelevant fact is being an apologist for the evil in that video.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26732892 - 06/09/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Who gives a fuck what it appears to you to be?  Even if he did, which he clearly didn't, does that change the fact that the cops did the wrong thing?  Absolutely not.  It is simply not alright for you, me, tucker Carlson, or Donald Trump to start victim blaming a 75 year old man who got knocked onto the concrete so that blood ran out of his ear because a young cop in paramilitary gear pushed him.

What is wrong with your reason, dude?  If it were anyone other than Putin or Trump saying this shit, you'd be all over it.



Where did I say the cops did the right thing???  This started when I pointed out that koods was make believing again by saying it was a rebroadcast from Sputnik.

Then for some unknown reason (probably to deflect from his lie) koods asked if I watched the video.  To show that I did, I simply asked koods what the guy was doing.  I didn't say the cops behaved appropriately, I didn't say I thought the guy was with antifa.  I don't know why you guys are make believing I did.  :shrug:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26732896 - 06/09/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly dude it really doesnt look like he touched him at all. He was waiving
his phone back and forth gesturing towards his riot gear


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26732911 - 06/09/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, we're not.  I specifically asked you why it mattered what he was doing, and you said because Trump had a guess, and then you invited me to guess.  This misses the entire point, which is that Trump is deflecting from the evil in that video and making it about something else.  He's minimizing what the cop did.  And you, by engaging in the exact same speculation, are doing the same thing.

It's like if I show you a video of a reporter being beheaded by Al Qaeda, and you say, "did you notice that cool rug in the shot.  I wonder where they got that rug."  It completely diminishes the importance of what the video shows.

That's what Trump did, and now that's what you're doing.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26732917 - 06/09/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Look at this little propaganda coup

1. A Russian national who writes for Sputnik and reports for OAN does a story saying the elderly protester might be an antifa provocateur.

2. Trump tweets about the story he saw on OAN

3. Sputnik writes a story saying “Trump Says Elderly Buffalo Protester Shoved by Police 'Could Be Antifa Provocateur'”

https://sputniknews.com/us/202006091079568000-trump-says-elderly-buffalo-protester-shoved-by-police-could-be-antifa-provocateur/


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26732921 - 06/09/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Trump is just asking questions


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26732953 - 06/09/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm I watched it a few times, it's difficult to see if there was even an accidental bump?

I've been trying to work out the logic behind the robot voice asserting 'It's an old antifa trick used to gain the whereabouts of police"
Really?
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
    #26732984 - 06/09/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Look at this little propaganda coup

1. A Russian national who writes for Sputnik and reports for OAN does a story saying the elderly protester might be an antifa provocateur.

2. Trump tweets about the story he saw on OAN

3. Sputnik writes a story saying “Trump Says Elderly Buffalo Protester Shoved by Police 'Could Be Antifa Provocateur'”

https://sputniknews.com/us/202006091079568000-trump-says-elderly-buffalo-protester-shoved-by-police-could-be-antifa-provocateur/





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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Enlil]
    #26733005 - 06/09/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't say the cops behaved appropriately, I didn't say I thought the guy was with antifa.  I don't know why you guys are make believing I did.  :shrug:



No, we're not.  I specifically asked you why it mattered what he was doing, and you said because Trump had a guess, and then you invited me to guess.  This misses the entire point, which is that Trump is deflecting from the evil in that video and making it about something else.



Where was "the point" brought up before just now?  I don't disagree with you, but there were other points:

- Koods was make believing about OAN rebroadcasting this from Sputnik
- A 75 old man reached out and touched, or almost touched the police.  My wife thinks he may have wanted to grab a weapon
- I agree with MagicMush123 that it wasn't too much of a push, but unfortunately the guy was 75 and fell hard

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He's minimizing what the cop did.  And you, by engaging in the exact same speculation, are doing the same thing.



That's why I asked it was ok for the guy to reach out and touch or almost touch the cops.  Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion.  It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head, but that's my opinion.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
    #26733013 - 06/09/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Look at this little propaganda coup

1. A Russian national who writes for Sputnik and reports for OAN does a story saying the elderly protester might be an antifa provocateur.

2. Trump tweets about the story he saw on OAN

3. Sputnik writes a story saying “Trump Says Elderly Buffalo Protester Shoved by Police 'Could Be Antifa Provocateur'”

https://sputniknews.com/us/202006091079568000-trump-says-elderly-buffalo-protester-shoved-by-police-could-be-antifa-provocateur/



Ah, so you WERE make believing about OAN rebroadcasting from Sputnik.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26733045 - 06/09/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's a terrible response from Trump. Parroting gossip, sharing his brain farts in the same way he announces foreign policy. What an ordinary display of leadership :thumbdown:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26733046 - 06/09/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:snoopyes:


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26733069 - 06/10/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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- A 75 old man reached out and touched, or almost touched the police.  My wife thinks he may have wanted to grab a weapon
- I agree with MagicMush123 that it wasn't too much of a push, but unfortunately the guy was 75 and fell hard

Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion. 
It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head, but that's my opinion.




Still a bad call by the cops but they're all valid points too, especially going anywhere near their guns, that'd be an almost automatic reaction.

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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26733076 - 06/10/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't say the cops behaved appropriately, I didn't say I thought the guy was with antifa.  I don't know why you guys are make believing I did.  :shrug:



No, we're not.  I specifically asked you why it mattered what he was doing, and you said because Trump had a guess, and then you invited me to guess.  This misses the entire point, which is that Trump is deflecting from the evil in that video and making it about something else.



Where was "the point" brought up before just now?  I don't disagree with you, but there were other points:

- Koods was make believing about OAN rebroadcasting this from Sputnik
- A 75 old man reached out and touched, or almost touched the police.  My wife thinks he may have wanted to grab a weapon
- I agree with MagicMush123 that it wasn't too much of a push, but unfortunately the guy was 75 and fell hard

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He's minimizing what the cop did.  And you, by engaging in the exact same speculation, are doing the same thing.



That's why I asked it was ok for the guy to reach out and touch or almost touch the cops.  Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion.  It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head, but that's my opinion.



Is your wife blind? How anybody can interpret tbat as him reaching for a weapon
is beyond me :facepalm:

Is he supposed to hold the gun he stole in the hand holding the cell phone
or the hand holding the motorcycle helmet? Did your wife see a 3rd hand reaching for the gun?

Maybe tell your wife to leave the speculating to people who can actually see and
also comprehend what theyre seeing.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26733085 - 06/10/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't say the cops behaved appropriately, I didn't say I thought the guy was with antifa.  I don't know why you guys are make believing I did.  :shrug:



No, we're not.  I specifically asked you why it mattered what he was doing, and you said because Trump had a guess, and then you invited me to guess.  This misses the entire point, which is that Trump is deflecting from the evil in that video and making it about something else.



Where was "the point" brought up before just now?  I don't disagree with you, but there were other points:

- Koods was make believing about OAN rebroadcasting this from Sputnik
- A 75 old man reached out and touched, or almost touched the police.  My wife thinks he may have wanted to grab a weapon
- I agree with MagicMush123 that it wasn't too much of a push, but unfortunately the guy was 75 and fell hard

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He's minimizing what the cop did.  And you, by engaging in the exact same speculation, are doing the same thing.



That's why I asked it was ok for the guy to reach out and touch or almost touch the cops.  Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion.  It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head, but that's my opinion.




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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26733088 - 06/10/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Look at this little propaganda coup

1. A Russian national who writes for Sputnik and reports for OAN does a story saying the elderly protester might be an antifa provocateur.

2. Trump tweets about the story he saw on OAN

3. Sputnik writes a story saying “Trump Says Elderly Buffalo Protester Shoved by Police 'Could Be Antifa Provocateur'”

https://sputniknews.com/us/202006091079568000-trump-says-elderly-buffalo-protester-shoved-by-police-could-be-antifa-provocateur/



Ah, so you WERE make believing about OAN rebroadcasting from Sputnik.




I think I’ve demonstraed how this was used by the Russians as propaganda. In this case OAN and
Sputnik were the same entity because the reporter works for both outlets.

Just in case you don’t get it. Russian working for Sputnik invents a conspiracy theory which he pushes on an American news network that the president watches. The president sees the story and pushes the conspiracy theory. Sputnik reports on the conspiracy theory coming from the president. 

Remember when Cheney/Libby “leaked” info to the New York Times about WMDs, the times published it, then Cheney went on TV and cited the Times article as evidence of WMD? This is the same kinda shit, except it was Russian media using the president to legitimize their theory.


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    #26733096 - 06/10/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is your wife blind? How anybody can interpret tbat as him reaching for a weapon
is beyond me :facepalm:



No, she's not blind.  She recently attended a citizen police academy (I forgot the exact name) where she drove around with local cops and watched real videos of how police activity that looked routine turned deadly for police in an instant.  Hence, she's seen things that most people haven't, and has much more of an appreciation for why many police can be nervous.


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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
    #26733100 - 06/10/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Whether or not they were justified to push him away impacts my opinion.  It was pretty clear to me they didn't intend for the guy to fall on his head...



Just asking (stupid) questions.



Got an answer on whether cops can push someone away who touches or almost touches them, or can you only do insults?


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