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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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shivas.wisdom said: I plagiarized it from crimethinc.com, they have some quality production.
I don't think I could ever understand the police mindset, but I imagine getting pumped up on adrenaline and holding weapons while standing with your gang against the enemy is enough to inspire unprovoked attacks.
Self-righteous indignation, power tripping, and I think in bigger cities a lot of them are on steroids. Some cops are just fucking jacked man!
I loved that picture you showed of the people holding donuts on a stick lol!
I was talking to a former army special forces douchebag at the bar the other day. We almost got into a fight, actually. He kept bashing 'lazy socialists', and finally I told him I was a socialist, and half the bar jumped right up my asshole. As he got more drunk, he got belligerent about it.
Anyway, he kept referring to himself as an 'alpha male'. 'Alpha males punch eachother in the face as a sign of respect'... or some other nonsense like that. I think that police view themselves in a similar manor. They are 'alpha tough guys', and they like to dominate other people.
I find the concept of 'alpha males' troubling. I don't know that it has any basis in reality.
Hah, we had a Proud Boy come into our local antifascist punk bar a couple weeks ago who starter harping on socialism. Things turned out a little differently.
I think obsession with "the alpha" goes hand in hand with interest in authoritarianism. The concepts are clearly related.
I've also noticed that those who most readily dominate other people when able to, are the same type who most readily responds to authority when perceived to come from a stronger alpha. Obedience and cruelty makes for good police.
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Had a pennywise listening dude-bro tell me once, when pressed that he was being a dick to me because my flip-flops and long hair indicated to him that I'm not alpha enough to defend myself. I agreed that it could indicate that or it could just mean that I'm more that prepared to kick his ass barefoot. Then i pushed back from the bar and he folded like a little bitch. All of a sudden he wanted to be friends. So alpha  Most over the top macho dudes are actually pussies when it comes down to it
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Agreed, it's not the same. I'll give anyone 5 shrooms if they can show the number of people killed by Russian police each year. I'll bet it's less than 5/yr outside the Caucuses and less than 10/yr in total, as there are so few articles about Russian cop killings.
I think you should stop trying to shift the burden of proof. If you want to claim Russia has less than 10 police murders a year, you have to provide proof. We don't make believe in the politics forum.
I didn't state it as a fact, I think I was clear that this was my guess, and I offered 5 shrooms to anyone who could either prove OR disprove it. It should be easier to disprove than to prove, as you only need to find a handful of examples of police shootings to disprove it.
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shivas.wisdom said: Although no source is provided, that article appears to support the claim that Russian police rarely shoot people if we assume it to be true.
It'd be an easy statement do disprove - you'd only need to find one example of police shooting at a protest. Sure, it's possible people could be killed by other means.
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shivas.wisdom said: No protester getting shot in 23 years is not the equivalent to no police murder in 23 years.
I understand, and I wasn't trying to say that no police shootings at protests means no police shootings anywhere. It was just another interesting data point.
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shivas.wisdom said: Hah, we had a Proud Boy come into our local antifascist punk bar a couple weeks ago who starter harping on socialism. Things turned out a little differently.
I think obsession with "the alpha" goes hand in hand with interest in authoritarianism. The concepts are clearly related.
I've also noticed that those who most readily dominate other people when able to, are the same type who most readily responds to authority when perceived to come from a stronger alpha. Obedience and cruelty makes for good police.
You know, that's true. Authoritarians, and conservative bootlickers have a much higher regard for the 'pecking order'. They place a certain value on everyone based on a variety of factors. Maybe that's why they worship billionaires. Money is certainly a factor. I think I used to do this a lot when I was younger. I was raised quite conservative. Over the years, I've been shocked and amazed by so many people that I held in low regard, that I really try not to allow myself those preconceived notions. It takes all kinds.
When someone refers to themselves as an 'alpha', I literally cringe. The same when people refer to themselves in 3rd person, which unfortunately, Bernie does every so often
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
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The alpha mentality also manifests itself in the “soy boy” and cuck rhetoric. When authoritarian men see men who aren’t, it’s never a consideration of whether that person isn’t interested in being an authoritarian, it’s that the soy boy is a liberal/sjw/socialist because they aren’t able to be.
My girlfriend has a friend who’s married to the most stereotypical (former) cop you can imagine. He’s an outgoing, funny, good looking dude. But he’s the most insecure alpha male type. Doesn’t allow his wife to have male friends (and lots of female friends). I added him on facebook a while back, and he found a podcast I shared that I did with a friend where at like the 50 minute mark I start getting critical of the police. He showed up at my girlfriend’s place (before we moved in together) drunk and in tears, and literally sobbed to her about how people don’t understand how hard cops have it. Since then, he got fired from the force for habitual use of excessive force (which is quite the feat in the South), and has joined the Army.
It’s the most pathological shit I’ve ever seen.
Edit: oh, and he and his group of friends are all anti trans, anti immigrant, racist Ben Shapiro fans.
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The Ecstatic said: The alpha mentality also manifests itself in the “soy boy” and cuck rhetoric. When authoritarian men see men who aren’t, it’s never a consideration of whether that person isn’t interested in being an authoritarian, it’s that the soy boy is a liberal/sjw/socialist because they aren’t able to be.
My girlfriend has a friend who’s married to the most stereotypical (former) cop you can imagine. He’s an outgoing, funny, good looking dude. But he’s the most insecure alpha male type. Doesn’t allow his wife to have male friends (and lots of female friends). I added him on facebook a while back, and he found a podcast I shared that I did with a friend where at like the 50 minute mark I start getting critical of the police. He showed up at my girlfriend’s place (before we moved in together) drunk and in tears, and literally sobbed to her about how people don’t understand how hard cops have it. Since then, he got fired from the force for habitual use of excessive force (which is quite the feat in the South), and has joined the Army.
It’s the most pathological shit I’ve ever seen.
Edit: oh, and he and his group of friends are all anti trans, anti immigrant, racist Ben Shapiro fans.
Yes, but are they Jordan Peterson fans? 
I think you've summed it up quite well, although, I don't think they are always insecure deep down. I guess I wouldn't know, I don't really make friends with those types of people. I have to wonder what causes people to be like that. I know that it is often the result of being insecure when you're younger, and overcompensating as you grow older. Maybe that's all it is.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof] 3
#25878326 - 03/16/19 04:31 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: ... I find the concept of 'alpha males' troubling. I don't know that it has any basis in reality.
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Eric Trump recently suggested that when his father, Donald Trump, bragged about grabbing women's genitals without consent, it was an example of "two alpha guys in a thing."
In addition to shedding some light on how Trump's son views his father and manhood, it's also interesting because "alpha males" aren't actually a thing.
As the writer Saladin Ahmed pointed out, the concept of "alpha male" wolves that assert dominance over their pack through aggression comes from a debunked model of lupine social groups.
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David Mech introduced the idea of the alpha to describe behavior observed in captive animals. Alphas, he wrote in his 1970 book "The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species," win control of their packs in violent fights with other males.
But, as he outlined in a 1999 paper, he's since rejected that idea in light of research into the behavior of wolves in the wild.
In nature, Mech writes, wolves split off from their packs when they mature, and seek out opposite-sex companions with whom to form new packs. The male and female co-dominate the new pack for a much simpler, more peaceful reason: They're the parents of all the pups.
Mech writes on his website (with the lovely title Wolf News and Info) that his original book is "currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it."
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Another Twitter user, Mike Westphal, pointed out another paper on the misuse of the phrase "alpha males" to describe breeding roosters.
In the 2003 book "Sexual Selections: What We Can and Can't Learn about Sex from Animals," the biologist Marlene Zuk points out that social groups of hens do have "pecking orders." That is, hierarchies among the females with dominance asserted through pecking.
But roosters are not part of those social groups, Zuk writes, and the idea that the top hen is somehow an "alpha male" bizarrely misgenders the dominant bird.
All of which is to say: Humans who enjoy the idea of "alpha males" might want to keep in mind that there isn't really any such thing. And to the extent the term has any meaning at all, it describes the behavior of captive, lonely creatures.
https://www.businessinsider.com/no-such-thing-alpha-male-2016-10
don't worry tho the science once seemed to imply that alpha males are a thing so even if the science has since been shown through additional data to be wrong it's prolly still a real thing and the mainstream media is just trying to cover it up now to feminize alpha men
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Tantrika] 4
#25878367 - 03/16/19 04:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: don't worry tho the science once seemed to imply that alpha males are a thing so even if the science has since been shown through additional data to be wrong it's prolly still a real thing and the mainstream media is just trying to cover it up now to feminize alpha men

I'm fairly certain that primates, such as baboons, have alphas, and also other animals that live in groups, such as lions. There was this documentary about baboons, where the alphas hoarded some meat they stumbled upon, and prevented the lower ranking males from eating it. The meat turned out to be poisoned.
All of the alphas died. The troop had been incredibly violent, bullying and harassing one another quite brutally. After all of the violent alphas were killed, the baboons no longer fought, and became a lot more communal. I believe even a decade later, the dynamics remained completely changed.
My point is, we need to kill the authoritarian bootlickers so we can do communism.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: ...and also other animals that live in groups, such as lions. ....
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There is no such thing as an alpha male lion. In lion society there are 2 social groups. Prides and coalitions. Prides consists of adult females, sub-adults and cubs. Coalitions consists of adult males. Typically a coalition consists of 1–4 males, but coalitions of up to 9 males have been recorded. Prides and coalitions defend territories which can be similar, but it often happens that the territory of the coalition cover the territory of several prides. In such a case the same male lion coalition might breed with females of multiple prides.
Often the term dominant is used with reference to male lions. And, confusingly, it is used in two different ways. One to identify a male lion which is holding a territory and breeding with females of a pride within that territory. And secondly, erroneously, to identify a dominance hierarchy within a coalition. In fact, there is no such thing within a coalition. All adult males are bigger then adult females, and will mate with them. Males might sometimes fight to get access to a female, but there is no dominance hierarchy within a coalition, all will mate with females. I put this in here as this is often misunderstood.
If a male is beaten by a male from the same coalition, not much will happen. He will back off, and fight again with the other male on a next round, whether it’s for food or for females. If there was a fight about mating, the winner will mate. This often lasts 3–4 days, in which the pair will mate often (sometimes even every 15 minutes), and do little else. After such a mating period the male will not likely win a next fight about mating with a coalition partner, he will want to eat.
If a male is beaten by a male from another coalition things are different. He will be lucky to survive the fight. What regularly happens is is that they try to get away, and the chasing males will slash at him from the back, with a good chance that the claws cut veins or arteries on the inside of the hind legs and he might bleed to death. If he survives, he will leave the territory, and once he comes across other females he will try to stick around there and mate with them, until he meets the territorial males with which he will either fight, or flee for. The transition from one pride to another is pretty quick, but depends a bit on the lion density. The higher the density, the easier it is to find other females.
Bigger coalitions will hold larger territories, but also will be more able to hold the territory longer, and thus have a higher chance of raising cubs to an age that they’re safe from new incoming males (when they’re about 18 months old). The whole process from getting a new territory, mating with females, raising cubs to a safe age takes about 2–2,5 years, and it is not unusual at that time to see males shift their attention from one pride in which they have reared cubs, to another pride, without being chased out by other males.
https://www.quora.com/What-happens-to-an-alpha-male-Lion-if-he-is-beaten
not going to say Quora is automatically factually accurate by any measure but find this a lot more interesting -- groups of lions have an alpha female and then hire out male gigolo lions for mating purposes using food
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The Ecstatic said: The alpha mentality also manifests itself in the “soy boy” and cuck rhetoric. When authoritarian men see men who aren’t, it’s never a consideration of whether that person isn’t interested in being an authoritarian, it’s that the soy boy is a liberal/sjw/socialist because they aren’t able to be.
My girlfriend has a friend who’s married to the most stereotypical (former) cop you can imagine. He’s an outgoing, funny, good looking dude. But he’s the most insecure alpha male type. Doesn’t allow his wife to have male friends (and lots of female friends). I added him on facebook a while back, and he found a podcast I shared that I did with a friend where at like the 50 minute mark I start getting critical of the police. He showed up at my girlfriend’s place (before we moved in together) drunk and in tears, and literally sobbed to her about how people don’t understand how hard cops have it. Since then, he got fired from the force for habitual use of excessive force (which is quite the feat in the South), and has joined the Army.
It’s the most pathological shit I’ve ever seen.
Edit: oh, and he and his group of friends are all anti trans, anti immigrant, racist Ben Shapiro fans.
Yes, but are they Jordan Peterson fans? 
I think you've summed it up quite well, although, I don't think they are always insecure deep down. I guess I wouldn't know, I don't really make friends with those types of people. I have to wonder what causes people to be like that. I know that it is often the result of being insecure when you're younger, and overcompensating as you grow older. Maybe that's all it is.
I try to stay away from doling out psychological diagnoses but yeah I think that’s the underlying mechanism, for the most part.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Tantrika said: don't worry tho the science once seemed to imply that alpha males are a thing so even if the science has since been shown through additional data to be wrong it's prolly still a real thing and the mainstream media is just trying to cover it up now to feminize alpha men

I'm fairly certain that primates, such as baboons, have alphas, and also other animals that live in groups, such as lions. There was this documentary about baboons, where the alphas hoarded some meat they stumbled upon, and prevented the lower ranking males from eating it. The meat turned out to be poisoned.
All of the alphas died. The troop had been incredibly violent, bullying and harassing one another quite brutally. After all of the violent alphas were killed, the baboons no longer fought, and became a lot more communal. I believe even a decade later, the dynamics remained completely changed.
My point is, we need to kill the authoritarian bootlickers so we can do communism.
Which are even worse "authoritarian bootlickers".
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: qman]
#25891522 - 03/23/19 05:52 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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After more than three days of testimony and more than three hours of deliberations by an out-of-town jury, (former East Pittsburgh Police Officer) Michael Rosfeld was found not guilty on all four possible charges — first-degree murder, third-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter – (of Antwon Rose II) at around 9:15 p.m. on Friday. https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/03/23/michael-rosfeld-antwon-rose-pittsburgh-on-edge/ "Rosfeld had pulled over an unlicensed taxicab suspected to have been used in a drive-by shooting minutes before shooting Rose in the back, arm and side of the face as he ran from a traffic stop. Rose had been riding in the front seat of the taxi when Zaijuan Hester, in the back seat, rolled down a window and shot at two men on the street."
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: vinsue]
#25891533 - 03/23/19 06:19 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I kinda feel like citizens may need to start taking justice into their own hands. It’s clear the justice system is not capable of holding these dirt bags accountable. If these cops who get away with murder Start dying at the hands of vigilantes they might stop treating others like target practice.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods] 2
#25891579 - 03/23/19 07:28 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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that's a fairly inconsistant position to take, given your feelings about public ownership of firearms.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I find the concept of 'alpha males' troubling. I don't know that it has any basis in reality.
From a biological perspective, this type of dominant male primate maintains social control by fostering strong alliances and grooming those he wants to keep under his command. Sometimes aggression is used to promote coalitions. Such an individual also takes on duties such as patrolling territory and breaking up fights. There are perks, such as preferential access to food and also mates. Such a position of power is strongly defended, as some subordinate males are always waiting for an opportunity to overthrow the leader and take his position. Other individuals in the same social group often show deference or other subordinate behaviors towards the dominant male.
In humans, dominate leaders often create enemies and cultivate a culture of fear and hatred in order to maintain power.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#25891842 - 03/23/19 10:29 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: that's a fairly inconsistent position to take, given your feelings about public ownership of firearms.
Who said anything about killing them with guns?   . . .
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: that's a fairly inconsistant position to take, given your feelings about public ownership of firearms.
Shockingly inconsistent, actually.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: vinsue]
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: koods]
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: ballsalsa]
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