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Jesus a lawyer was informing on her clients? That’s unbelievable. In the US, all that evidence she provided and anything that resulted from it would be thrown out.
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article on the history of black Mounties in Canada

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The first time Hartley Gosline spotted a Mountie, he immediately knew he wanted to be one.
In 1959, his mother took him to see Queen Elizabeth who was visiting the veteran’s hospital just up the street from their home in Saint John, N.B., during her Canadian tour.
Gosline, almost 10, watched as the Mounties in red serge escorted the Queen.
His was not, on the face of it, an unreasonable career ambition; men become Mounties all the time.
But at that moment, the force had yet to welcome a black member.
There had been attempts over the years: Leslie Bryan and Alfred Coward put their names in for consideration in 1941 and were found eligible on paper. However, they never became Mounties.
While the RCMP did not provide confirmation to Global News that the pair applied, Mountie correspondence discussing how to handle their application was published in Sgt. Craig Smith’s book on the history of black people in the RCMP.
RCMP Commissioner S.T. Wood wanted the black men to “be afforded the opportunity of writing the educational test with hope that we shall find that they have not successfully passed as to definitely refuse them the opportunity of applying on account of their colour would raise the question of policy,” according to a letter written by the officer in charge of Nova Scotia.
When Gosline applied in 1968, he either was not subjected to or aware of such hoops. He officially became a Mountie in 1969. Perhaps, he says, he was helped by the fact that the president of the local legion endorsed him.
The man was friends with Gosline’s mother — a widowed white woman — and well-respected in the predominantly white community where Gosline was raised.
“It was almost as if I didn’t realize that I was black in that neighbourhood,” Gosline says.
During training in Regina, Gosline heard rumours about some black members before him who’d been kicked out, but that was it. Training was a doozy, he says. “They tried to break you.”
Once, a corporal chastised Gosline for sticking out.
“You had better be white by 6 a.m.,” he told Gosline, a line that would later be used as the title of a book on the African-Canadian RCMP experience.
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Sgt. Craig Smith wrote You Had Better Be White By Six A.M. because he says there wasn’t a single black person on the walls of the force’s training depot in Regina when he joined in 1997.
Smith was surprised at this, given that the preceding decade had seen incredible movement nationwide towards diversifying police organizations. Surely, he thought, they would put up the images of people of colour who had excelled through the RCMP ranks in a bid to encourage others to follow suit. The RCMP did not respond to a request about the images on the wall.
The book — which often causes people’s mouths to gape when Smith says he wrote and published it while still employed by the force — explores the black Mountie experience.
It isn’t a story that’s front and centre in the annals of Canada’s national police force. The RCMP’s official first black Mountie is Gosline. And yet in recent years, Smith unearthed a 1967 graduation photo that shows another before him. That man, who neither Smith nor Global News could find, is David Harding. From what Smith can tell, Harding lasted less than two years in the force. He was gone by the time Gosline arrived in Regina for training. A spokesperson for the RCMP did not respond to questions about Harding and said Gosline is “the first reported black member.”
That was 50 years ago.
The Mounties that welcomed him into the RCMP “didn’t see colour,” he says. This was about policing and “the attitude when I grew up was, the policeman is your friend.”
As a teenager, Gosline hadn’t thought much of race. In fact, it wasn’t until the early 1970s, when someone called the cops to report a boy, maybe eight or nine, wandering home, kicking and hitting at the mailboxes as he went, that Gosline started to realize the momentousness of his acceptance to the RCMP.
A rookie cop barely in his 20s, Gosline turned his patrol car in the direction of North Preston, a predominantly black community in Halifax. Gosline parked in front of the boy’s home and knocked on the door.
The boy’s mother answered. She brought her son to the door, told him to tell the Mountie the truth, and after he admitted to bending a mailbox, Gosline let him off with a warning.
When he got back to the car, Gosline says 20-some black community members surrounded it. An old man, eyes milky with age, reached for him. The man was crying as he hugged Gosline.
“I never thought I’d live to see the day,” he recalls the man saying.
It likely would have been a surprise for the community to see Gosline in uniform, says Isaac Saney, who teaches black history at Dalhousie University.
In one case, after denying residents in Africville — a black community on the outskirts of Halifax — basic amenities, the City of Halifax voted in 1964 to forcibly relocate them and raze their homes. It would take until 2010 for a settlement to be reached and a public apology made. Even now, Saney says, black people in Nova Scotia face racial profiling and are disproportionately stopped by police.
In the early 1970s, however, Saney says, with police very much “enforcing inequities” and becoming “a symbol of black oppression,” to see a black man in uniform would have been startling. Indeed, it was the first time Gosline remembers recognizing that there is a divide between white people and black people in Canada. Still, during his nine years in the RCMP, Gosline didn’t dwell much on the ways in which that divide impacted his job.
Gosline, who long since left the force and now lives in Edmonton, is rethinking what it meant to be a black man in red serge, to be a black man in an institution routinely tied to systemic racism.
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It didn’t matter that he said no, Gosline says, his RCMP bosses kept coming back and asking him to work in the drug squad.
“There was no such thing as a black Mountie,” he says, “so they figured it would be great for me to be in the drug squad… undercover.”
Gosline remembers his refusals turning into a negative note in his file, something to the effect of him wanting special treatment because of his colour when really he had no desire to work in the drug squad just because he was black. The RCMP did not respond to questions about this incident.
Gosline, who later ended up working for a few years in plainclothes as a member of the RCMP’s now-defunct Security Service, quit in 1979. His last year of work was in Edmonton in an all-white detachment where he says he caught two of his colleagues calling him the N-word (they got more discreet after that) and he got written up for wearing an older issue RCMP coat to a hockey game even though his white colleagues did the same without issue.
Tired of the animosity and feeling like he was being singled out for being black, Gosline left. The RCMP did not answer questions about Gosline’s concerns about racism that preceded his departure.
When Andrea Elaine Lawrence’s family travelled from Toronto to Regina for her graduation in 1987, they had no idea she was making history. What they did know is that Lawrence, the stubborn youngest daughter of a former police officer in Jamaica, had achieved her dream job.
“She loved it,” says Lawrence’s sister Charmaine.
Lawrence was this funny, generous, and gregarious person. Her laugh turned heads and made mouths curve unwittingly into smiles. Watching her put on the uniform was this incredible transformation, Charmaine recalls.
“Her voice changed, her stature changed,” she says. “She just changed into not my sister Andrea but Andrea, the RCMP officer.”
“Andrea, the RCMP officer” still had a wicked sense of humour, her older brother Bill says. Lawrence worked in Burnaby for a while, near where Bill worked. Once, he remembers being pulled over by the cops while driving home. Sirens flashing, Bill nervously pulled together his driver’s licence and registration only to realize it was Lawrence, heckling him.
“Payback,” he chuckles, for cutting her braids off with scissors as a little kid.
Lawrence’s problems in the force started when she joined the Musical Ride in 1991, Bill remembers.
She’d been a Mountie for four years by then. She wanted to join the ride, he says, because it “was the epitome of what the RCMP represented…. a huge iconic symbol of Canada.”
In winter 1992, Lawrence was sent for training in Ottawa. It was an icy day, Bill remembers her telling him, and the horses were skittish. The horse Lawrence was riding lost its footing and reared, sending Lawrence flying. She landed on her tailbone. It led to “a whole onset of problems with internal injuries,” Bill says, ending with a medical discharge in 2002.
On May 24, 2003, Bill came home to find Lawrence — who took a variety of medications to try to cope with the injuries from the accident — not breathing. She died that night at age 39.
As much as she loved the Mounties, Bill says it would have been a huge challenge for her as a black woman to navigate its rigid hierarchy and the ingrained culture and mentality of the “upper brass.”
He’s revisiting Lawrence’s files because he doesn’t want her achievements to fade.
“There are some things I’m starting to uncover,” he says, “slowly but surely.”
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At last count in 2017, Smith says there were approximately 300 black Mounties. That’s less than two per cent of over 18,000 sworn members. A spokesperson for the RCMP says it doesn’t have official figures on how many black Mounties there are, and can only say that 11.4 per cent of its members as of Feb. 1, 2019, voluntarily identified as visible minorities.
“We’ve made great progress, but it’s never about stopping and saying, ‘We made great progress,’” Smith says. “It’s about the fact that we always continuously have to keep moving.”
His nearly 23 years with the RCMP included six years as a diversity policing analyst, a job that entailed educating more senior Mounties –– the “decision makers” –– about the realities of being black in Nova Scotia.
But, Smith says, ultimately, black Mounties need to be in positions of power, not just educating people in those positions. The force is currently conducting “a fairness review” to root out any potential selection bias, RCMP Staff-Sgt. Tania Vaughan said in a statement.
“People sometimes think that things are that much better, that we don’t have to make some of the overtures or do some of the things that we’ve done in the past, but we still need to,” he says.
Gosline wonders now, 50 years later, if how he chose to respond to racism in the force then has coloured his memories.
“I left the force and tried to maintain my pride and the good memories,” he says.
Gosline’s planning to request his file now.
“I want to see what other comments were made,” Gosline says. “If nothing else, I just want to get a little clarity, a little closure on just what my career was that I let go.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4985100/black-mounties/
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Yes and the same is likely to happen here koods. There are so many ramifications it's mind boggling.
If she's still alive this Christmas I'd be surprised, I really hope her kids aren't killed along with her.
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Remember the POS Houston police union guy who said the police were tired of dirtbags putting targets on their backs after five officers were shot during a raid?
Well, turns out the raid was totally illegal and it was a no knock warrant against a house that was wrongly accused by a corrupt officer and the people inside were defending themselves against what they thought was a home invasion.
The federal government has launched a civil rights investigation against th police department and one officer has been charged.
The police in this country are corrupt beyond belief.
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#25852422 - 03/04/19 04:03 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a police appreciation song:
Thank you, Mr. Officer Great For all the things you've said to me For all the good that you have ever done Without you, what would I be? You're the gas upon my flames My love and rage all rolled up into one For every time your gun goes off A new rebel is born So when there's 41 bullets It's 41,000 thorns in your side We'll take a ride down to Precinct 29 And we'll sing and dance and break the code of silence
Thank you Governor, thank you Governor To the Mayor and the commissioner Your monster is alive now She's taking to the streets Crashing through your operahouse And tearing out the seats For every time you've signed your name Someone out there dies Found a wallet, not a gun And mother's wiping tears from her eyes We despise your hollow truths and honest lies Now you can't sing the monster into slumber
Thanks, bastards! You made me what I am Thanks, bastards! I took the goods and ran
Homeland security vs. civil liberty I'm studying in the shadows of our state I've seen the bones they try to hide Cutthroat living's other side The flood of U.S. bathwater displaced The funeral march of all the victims Of your power war Rob the rights and steal the nights And rebels shall be born Forevermore You're the storm We shall play after it pours And joy is sure to come after your silence
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Also, Montréal based anarchist media collective, sub.Media, have an ongoing documentary series. The first one of 2019 is:
TROUBLE 18: ACAB
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Cops are the front-line of the state, tasked with defending and reinforcing all illegitimate hierarchies of power. They are the armed enforcers of white supremacy who catch paid vacations for murdering Black children in the streets. They are the knock on the door to evict you from your home. They are the no-knock SWAT Team raid that shoots your dog. They are the corrupt overseers of the ghetto, the barrio, the favela. They are the unmarked cruiser that slows down to harass a sex worker. They are the vicious interrogators of rape survivors. They are the protectors of bulldozers and pipelines. They are the batons, flash bangs and rubber bullets used to break up our demonstrations, and put down our riots. They are the guardians of capital. They are the oppressor. And without exception… they’re all bastards.
As the overlapping and reinforcing internal crises of capitalism continue to pose an existential threat to the very foundations of state power, governments around the world are doubling-down on their internal security. In many cases, this has come in the form of intense militarization and counterinsurgency training… a process that blurs the traditional line between domestic policing and military forces. But further equipping the police does nothing to address the root causes of oppression, exploitation and ecological destruction fuelling social revolt… if anything, it just ups the stakes.
Check it out!
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shivas.wisdom said: Also, Montréal based anarchist media collective, sub.Media, have an ongoing documentary series. The first one of 2019 is:
TROUBLE 18: ACAB
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Cops are the front-line of the state, tasked with defending and reinforcing all illegitimate hierarchies of power. They are the armed enforcers of white supremacy who catch paid vacations for murdering Black children in the streets. They are the knock on the door to evict you from your home. They are the no-knock SWAT Team raid that shoots your dog. They are the corrupt overseers of the ghetto, the barrio, the favela. They are the unmarked cruiser that slows down to harass a sex worker. They are the vicious interrogators of rape survivors. They are the protectors of bulldozers and pipelines. They are the batons, flash bangs and rubber bullets used to break up our demonstrations, and put down our riots. They are the guardians of capital. They are the oppressor. And without exception… they’re all bastards.
As the overlapping and reinforcing internal crises of capitalism continue to pose an existential threat to the very foundations of state power, governments around the world are doubling-down on their internal security. In many cases, this has come in the form of intense militarization and counterinsurgency training… a process that blurs the traditional line between domestic policing and military forces. But further equipping the police does nothing to address the root causes of oppression, exploitation and ecological destruction fuelling social revolt… if anything, it just ups the stakes.
Check it out!
Thanks for posting that, a docu worth watching.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Asante]
#25859479 - 03/07/19 09:05 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a short article about two police officers who had 'relations' with an 18 year old girl that they had in custody. She accused them of rape, but it ended up having been consensual (possibly in exchange for letting her go, which it seems they did).
It turns out, that in New York, there weren't any laws on the books, preventing police from having sex with someone in their custody, but that has since changed, because of this incident.
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#25861702 - 03/08/19 07:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that the law in that state was written so that sex with a cop is automatically consensual if it happens after they arrest you. If we clap loud enough then we might get to hear Enlil explain how it's not actually rape. 
Anyway, here's a couple of the boys in blue sticking it to those delinquents over in hospice.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: chibiabos]
#25861855 - 03/08/19 08:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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chibiabos said: I think that the law in that state was written so that sex with a cop is automatically consensual if it happens after they arrest you. If we clap loud enough then we might get to hear Enlil explain how it's not actually rape. 
That was in New York. As far as I'm aware, the law just didn't prohibit consensual sex with someone under police custody. The law didn't say that sexual encounters with a police officer, while in their custody, were automatically consensual. That would essentially be legalizing rape for police officers. The police officers went to court over it. It wasn't clear that they were operating within the law. I believe they both lost their jobs over it.
In my mind, it may not be rape, but it must have been something in the vein of prostitution. I don't know if money has to be exchanged for it to count as prostitution, or if favors also count. I think drugs for sex counts as prostitution, so I don't know why other trades wouldn't. It sounds like the officers let her off, if she would have sex with them.
It seems to me that there has got to be some kind of charge that could be brought against them, and the girl could very well win a civil suit against them.
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Anyway, here's a couple of the boys in blue sticking it to those delinquents over in hospice.
That video was probably one of the most atrocious things I've seen on this thread thus far.
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You're right. It looks like they were just able to deny her credibility on account of the fact that they arrested her. Losing their jobs doesn't mean that anybody was really trying to punish them though. People usually go to prison for using a police badge to tie a girl up and raping her in the back of a van.
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Bigbadwooof said: That video was probably one of the most atrocious things I've seen on this thread thus far.
I hear that Missouri has pretty rivers.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: chibiabos]
#25861937 - 03/08/19 09:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently black cop was going to strangle this guy until he shat nugs. 
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chibiabos said: Apparently black cop was going to strangle this guy until he shat nugs. 
Holy shit, that was fucked up. That cop fuckin body slammed him on the pavement, over weed.
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#25863278 - 03/09/19 01:59 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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This video shows a stark contrast between American cops and foreign cops.
It's a tradition in Russia for cops to honor women on International Women's Day (8 Mar).
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When my mom was in Russia, she said the police were corrupt as fuck. I could see police giving flowers to ladies having the potential to lead to some very inappropriate situations.
All I want from our police is for them to stop going after minorities, stop murdering people, and know when to back down. I want American police to stop harassing people. That's it. Hold the flowers.
I want the drug war to end too.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: When my mom was in Russia, she said the police were corrupt as fuck.
They too need the latest iPhone.
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Re: Police appreciation thread [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#25863627 - 03/09/19 04:19 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: When my mom was in Russia, she said the police were corrupt as fuck.
I can't speak to police corruption in Russia. I was citing the differences in attitudes towards people. When was she in Russia?
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