jba6511 said:

if you are growing indoors and plan on using the poop, yes. and you pasturerize (sp?) instead of sterilizing

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If it is the old,dried,aged poop,you need to do nothing but soak it in water for 24 hour and then drain it until no more water drains out-You do not have to do anything else-use it just like that!!

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If it is the old,dried,aged poop,you need to do nothing but soak it in water for 24 hour and then drain it until no more water drains out-You do not have to do anything else-use it just like that!! 

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While you may personally have had success with this method, pasteurisation is recommended for a reason. It dramitically reduces the likelyhood of contamination. Beware.

-Odium

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fee said:
I usually see mycilium or cobweb mold on moist horse poo before the pastuerization process

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I'm speaking of cow poop but this is ok too!
If you see this in the poop - you dont use it!Unless you want to just put it in a jar and let it grow to see what you get like I did!



But I wouldn't recommend that cause it is like a guessing game-guess what I'm growing?-you never know what you get-unless you just know!lol

But you need the poop that is clean throughout it-break it open and if you see nothing but cow poop its good,but if you see any white fuzzy stuff then the pile is already occupied by something other than what you want it to be

And for you people who have downed every post I have made concerning cow shit-well I have pics for you all!!

And its just not"it may work for you but that doesnt mean it will work for everyone"Thats bull-Doesnt that apply to the pf tek?Yes it does!!!!!For that matter it applies to every tek on this site-now call me out on that one!!!What works for some doesnt always work for others!
I have 10 casings done this way (all were done at different times and under different cicumstances)so doesnt that mean it has been proven to be correct 10 different times?

Its just that for the noobie to do what you all state(pf tek along with the other teks)you have to be sterile here and sterile there and pasteurise here and pasteurise there-when in all reality you only need to be completely sterile when you are preparing your jars and innoculating-after that you dont have to do anything as I have done!



BTW-For you contam freaks out there-

I took all of my contaminated jars and cut away all of the good mycelium(what I could see with the naked eye)and I put it in a container and sprinkled a little pure cow poop on top-I kept doing this until the container was full and when I woke up the other morning I decided to apply a casing layer-(seeing as it has 100% colonized the cow poop)and then I saw the pins-
4/7/04
4/8/04

4/9/04

Starter said:

Old, aged leached cow manure collected from a nearby farm.



Thats a little "older"than I use myself(in my opinion)-see the white stuff?
But if you want to you can use that-but I just dont like the idea of putting Animal Feces(crap)on my stove and pasteurizing it in my kitchen-Thats just down right nasty!!!IN MY OPINION!

So I get the stuff that is a little fresher than that-if you can pick it up its good-if you pick it up and it runs through your fingers and it smells like shit-well thats too fresh!

You can use what ever you want to!


BUT I REPEAT _ IF YOU ARE IN SEARCH OF THE "PERFECT CUBENSIS" PLEASE FOLLOW EVERYTHING YOU FIND IN THIS SITE TO THE EXACT LETTER!!!!THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE BEST OF THE BEST OF SHROOMS WHEN IT COMES TO GROWING THEM--------------------I'M NOT!!!!!!!

I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE SOMETHING TO TAKE EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
MY METHODS HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A LONG TIME-EVEN BEFORE THIS SITE WAS MADE AND BEFORE THESE PEOPLE WERE BORN-NATURE ROCKS!!

MY APPOLOGIES GO OUT TO EVERYONE THAT I MAY HAVE PISSED-OFF-DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE YOU GUYS MAD-JUST WANTED TO PROVE A POINT ABOUT GROWING.NOT EVERYONE HAS THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL ABILITIES TO PREFORM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE STATEING.
SO WHY NOT START UP A GROW LOG FOR DUMMIES?INSTEAD OF MAKEING FUN OF THEM WHEN THEY COME ON YOUR SITE ASKING FOR INFORMATION?
AND YES -I HAVE READ SOME PRETTY SNAPPY REMARKS FROM A FEW FELLOWS CONCERNING GROWING AND NEWBIES---SSSTTTOPPPPPPPPP!!VVV
VVVV
WERE'NT YOU GUYS NEWBIES ONCE?
SO BACK OFF PEOPLE(I KNOW ITS COMICAL AT TIMES)WE NEED THESE NEWBIES TO CARRY THIS SITE INTO ANOTHER GENERATION UNLESS YOU GUYS JUST WANT THIS SITE TO DIE OUT WHEN YOU GUYS DO.

SHOW THEM HOW TO GET ONE SHROOM UNTIL THEY GET THE HANG OF IT!
YOU KNOW THE OLD TRICK-HOOK,LINE,AND SINKER?
MY FIRST ATTEMPT WENT COMPLETELY TO HELL!!!!ALONG WITH A FEW 20 DOLLAR BILLS!!LISTENING TO THE "HOMESTEAD KIT"18 YEARS AGO!!!I DIDNT PICK UP A SPORE PRINT AGAIN UNTIL 2/14/04 JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THEY SAID TO GROW IS(WAS)BEYOND MY MEANS-TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED.

IT DOESNT COST ANYTHING TO INNOCULATE A PILE OF COW SHIT (EXCEPT THE PRINT AND SYRINGE).AND A LITTLE OF YOUR TIME IN DOING SO. 

NOW THAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WOULD HAVE COST ME ALMOST A $100.00 IN SUPPLIES(I HAD NOTHING IN THIS EXCEPT TIME IN DOING IT) I CAN NOW MOVE ON TO  "THE SEARCH FOR THE PERFECT MUSHROOM!" DOING IT YOUR WAY!!
MY WAY WORKS ! IT MAY NOT PRODUCE THE FATTEST AND FASTEST GROWING SHROOMS OUT THERE-BUT IT DOES PRODUCE SOME POTENT "LIL"MUSHIES!

I'M NOT A DEALER AND I DONT GROW IN BULK(WHO CAN EAT ALL OF THOSE?)CAUSE I WILL NEVER USE THAT MANY.
I JUST DONT LIKE TO THROW AWAY MONEY-I KNOW YOU STATE THAT,IF YOU FOLLOW THE PF TEK TO THE LETTER YOU WILL SUCCEED!!!!!!!!

BBBUUULLLSSSHHHIIITTT!!!!

RESTATE THAT-YOU "MIGHT" SUCCEED(DEPENDING ON HOW CLEAN YOU ARE AND HOW WELL YOU FOLLOW DIRECTIONS AND BLAH,BLAH,BLAH!

HAHAHA-I LOST 24 JARS TO CONTAMS MY FIRST ATTEMPT!BUT I HAVENT FAILED ONCE SINCE I BEEN DOING IT MY WAY(NATURES WAY).

I THOUGHT THIS SITE WAS TO INFORM PEOPLE ABOUT MUSHROOMS?

WHO WAS IT THAT GREW SOME ON A BIBLE?WHO WAS IT THAT GREW SOME IN A SEA SPONGE?WHO WAS IT THAT GREW SOME ON A QUARTER POUND OF WHITE WIDOW?
SCREW THIS -I'M SICK OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY REASONS OF DOING THIS!

PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS IS NOT HARD TO GROW AT ALL!!!

USE YOUR OWN IMMAGINATION AND HAVE FUN DOING IT!!

GROW THEM OUT YOUR ASS IF YOU WANT TOO I DONT CARE- I CAME ON HERE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCES WITH YOU GUYS AND ALL I EVER GET IS "OH GOD YOU CANT DO THAT CAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THIS OR YOU WILL GET COANTAMS THIS AND CONTAMS THAT-WELL CONTAM THIS-

MESCALATO said:

>Ever seen trich ona a pile of cow shit?

yes. and no i dont have a pic.



like I said-if you see anything growing on the manure you DO NOT use it!!!!!!

was there a psilocybe mushroom growing from it?
And the sun and mother nature has a way with dealing with these contaminates-uv rays and such.

I WILL NEVER TAKE AND EAT ANOTHER PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS MUSHROOM FROM THE WILD DUE TO THE CONTAMINATES THEY CONTAIN AND I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME!!!!based on the information that I am receiving from the people on this site!!!lol                NOT!!!

All I'm saying is -Dont,tell me it cant be done!!Dont,tell me I havent done it and dont,advise me against doing it-because it can be done-it has been done--and it will be done again!! everyday in nature


Can anyone give a little credit where credit is due?

If it were not for a PILE of COW SHIT -----------------------------------------you would not have a PSILOCYBE CUBENSIS MUSHROOM

are they not a "dung loving species"? 
WHY is cow shit such an OMEN?
Why is it so forbidden to be used on this site!




WHICH CAME FIRST THE PILE OF COW SHIT OR THE MUSHROOM THAT GREW FROM IT!!??

MESCALATO said:

so my point is i once was where you are at


Just where am I?

Starter said:

Doc, the whitish discolouration of the manure is an indicator of actinomycete colonies, beneficial to the establishment of the mycelium -- mycelium simply consumes them. In addition, being old and leached the nitrates (ammonia) are washed out, so you're unlikely to get inky caps -- an aesthetic detraction in potted plants that happens using inadequately composted manure. It's a problem too in mushrooms. Hit the contam FAQ. http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23418

I know about "firefang" and how beneficial it is to the growth of mycelium.




Look,thank you both (mescalato & starter)for trying to understand my point-The original question was"does it have to be" and I responded to that question with a "no it doesnt" based on the FACT that it doesnt have to be!
You dont have to do a damn thing if you dont want to!

Just show me a cow with a pressure cooker or a pot of boiling water tied to its ASS and I'll shut my mouth PRONTO!!!

BTW what breed would that be?(All American Angus,Mirro brahma's or Presto Holsteins!!!!???????lol

But never state -MESCALATO-that you are above me, beyond me or better than me or where I'll be-You dont know me enough to make such a jester to my intelligence or knowledge in any given field or trade-- that was a no no no!!

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Starter said:
Doc, you can grow without pasteurisation, but only outside. Outdoors has checks & balances, indoors does not.

"But only outside"huh?






my way=



standard pf tek=




HMMMM!!!

This is based only on my experience-which I have none I guess!

Starter said:

>>>Just show me a cow with a pressure cooker or a pot of boiling water tied to its ASS and I'll shut my mouth PRONTO!!!

That logic makes no sense.

Show me a cow grazing in the living room, dumping on the carpet (umm, how it will leach/age/condition to paramaters required), with cubensis thriving?

Point is, outdoors is not indoors. Two very different regimes.

Sure, you can get mushrooms on untreated manure indoors (it would be a hit & miss result at best) nor would I eat them. Do you think for one minute they'd be able to sell Agaricus bisporus home grow kits without having pasteurised the compost? Do you think they'd sell mushroom produce grown so shabbily? They wouldn't risk the class action litigation. Industry standards are there for good reason, at least in my country.

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Fresh313 never said a damn thing about starting an Industrial size mushroom farm---if he did I would have said differently!

he asked a question and I answered truthfully and I still stand behind what I say !

As for the pressure cooker tied to a cows ass-that was a push in the pasteurization and sterilization area and also a joke in case you didnt notice.

Fresh313?
your question has been answered and I wish you the best in your attempts

fresh313 said:

Do you HAVE to sterilize the cow shit from a pasture, fresh or compost? they grow in the wild without being sterile.

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Odiumjunkie said:

The fact that one person cultivated indoors on unpasteurised dung means very little. If you tried enough times, you might eventually create one fruiting cake of unsterilised brf/verm, but that wouldn't mean that sterilisation should be done away with. It would mean that you had struck exceedingly lucky and happened upon a curiosity, dependent on chance and a wide range of environmental factors, not found the optimal method for cultivation mushrooms.

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Iamthewalrus said:

this summer I'm gonna let some dung colonize outside without pasteurization then I plan to bring it indoors for fruiting...not sure if it will work yet cause I have not tried it yet but I think if you have a good spawn rate the mycelium should take over before competitors have much of a chance... its my opinion that yes mold CAN grow on dung but if you've ever seen it it looks like its strugglin to grow on it...I don't think its too likely as long as you use shit that dosen't have any mold on it before soaking in water

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Thank you-but beware you are treading on thin ice-Ive allready fell in and now I'm drowning in it======= Damnit man throw me a rope or SOMETHING!!

MycoGlowFlow said:

"mushrooms have been growing in cow shit how long?since the first cow ate a spore-laden blade of grass and shit it out right?"

im pretty sure spores cannot handle the gatric/intestinal enzymes of the cows digestive system.

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you need to study a little more about that.I wont get started on it cause I(we)have already discussed this in another post.

but a good try none the less!

DNICEONER said:

listen doc these guys gotta have the last word, just patronize em cuz they are a bunch of clowns...

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I have realised this the hard way