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Microdosing & Depression Treatment
    #25403478 - 08/21/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have any experience or information on using mushrooms for this purpose?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25424329 - 08/30/18 04:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a recent podcast that addresses the topic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswkdk

They talk about 'micro dosing' but suggested that treating depression and other mental illness required larger doses.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: BondVillain]
    #25424345 - 08/30/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a recent podcast that addresses the topic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswkdk

They talk about 'micro dosing' but suggested that treating depression and other mental illness required larger doses.






Thanks!!


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California] * 1
    #25424452 - 08/30/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I've been microdosing for three weeks now for that very reason (among others).  Incredibly enough, it's actually working.

I'm sharper.  I'm more present, mindful.  I'm great in conversations again.  My creativity is on fire right now.  My mood is WAY better.  That's probably the biggest thing.  I feel open, and not irritable af all the time.  I'm fucking LAUGHING again!  I feel amazing!

I'm eating well.  My appetite has completely stabilized.  I'm working out again.  I'm cleaning everything.  And it's not like I'm forcing myself to do it.  I'm just... doing it.  It's the craziest thing, like everything is falling into place.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25426467 - 08/31/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25426502 - 08/31/18 03:28 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I am currently dosing daily and it has changed my life is a short period of time and gotten me off of a prescription medication completely.
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25426738 - 08/31/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?




B+ cubensis currently, although I am interested in experimenting with Panaeolus cyansescens.  I've read reports of even greater results with those.

5 days on, 2 days off.  Dose range of .3 to .7 dried grams.

Keep in mind, however, it's only been three weeks.  I'm still testing the waters, so to speak.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25427776 - 09/01/18 04:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

2 to 3 weeks in that's good going and ur feeling results. .3 to .7 can u feel it effect u in any way? If I eat a small amount  lik .5 it would make me feel weird,  I'd take about a .2 not to have to feel all strange.

Do u micro dose in the morning or evening?  Also is the cyanescens really much better is that just because of potency or is the other compounds that's could help. Thank for the reply dude


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25428270 - 09/01/18 11:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

For now, I'm taking it in the morning.  And you are right about feeling weird.  There have been a few mornings, after dosing, where I feel uncomfortable, actually.  It's not terrible, but it does suck a little.  It's nothing trippy or psychedelic, just a weird, uncomfortable feeling.  I don't know whether or not this is a typical symptom of low doses, or if it's me.  I suspect it's me and the headspace I'm in on those mornings.  To combat it, I've been taking the microdoses with food.  It seems to help.  Then I just try to keep myself busy.

It's not the worst thing, though, and it's only been a few times.  It's absolutely still worth it.  I'm reminded of something Tim Ferriss always says: "There's no such thing as a biological free lunch."  You can't expect a perfect physiological solution to your every problem, and certainly not without possibly affecting some other shit.  You take the good with the bad, and it's not even really bad.

And as far as the cyanescens goes, it's because of the other compounds involved--not the potency.  But Idk.  I won't talk out of my ass on this one.  I'm still looking into it.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428403 - 09/01/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It might be more beneficial to look at "treating depression" instead as cultivating a better mind state.

Ingesting a chemical will not do that for you. It may work temporarily, but will require increasing doseages and will most likely fall to baseline when you stop ingesting the chemical.

Mushrooms can certainly help you to achieve a better mind state, but it may involve some creativity based upon your individual needs, and work on your part outside of simply eating some fungus.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428467 - 09/01/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, did even you read my posts?

Well, thanks anyway Dr. Drew, you presumptuous douche.  Go fuck yourself.


Edited by Lion of Ragnarok (09/01/18 01:12 PM)


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428496 - 09/01/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean, did even you read my posts?

Well, thanks anyway Dr. Drew, you presumptuous douche.  Go fuck yourself.



I wasn't referencing your posts, just generally replying to OP's question, as can be implied by the fact I didn't quote anyone. If anything, my post was agreeing with your previous one.

See you in the "Cure misplaced anger by eating magic mushrooms" thread. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428498 - 09/01/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, why do you think they have antidepressants in the first place, you retard?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428499 - 09/01/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Think about what you actually said.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428514 - 09/01/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Consider why current research agrees that SSRI's work best when paired with psychotherapy or other therapeutic techniques, and my original post shouldn't be too hard to follow.

Not sure how or why it offends you.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428527 - 09/01/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It irritates me because people love to drop in threads or Tweets or whatever, and sling dick like they're trying to teach you something.  It's pretentious, self-important bullshit.

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feevers said:Ingesting a chemical will not do that for you. It may work temporarily, but will require increasing doseages and will most likely fall to baseline when you stop ingesting the chemical.




Based on this notion that YOU posited, the entire premise of the pharmaceutical industry is null and void.  What I'm saying is that it's fucking stupid and irresponsible to go around saying that shit to people who may actually need help.

All because you had to go open your mouth.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428742 - 09/01/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428749 - 09/01/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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feevers said:
Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:



Microdosing, there is a lot less likely chance One will have to visit the mental hospital if One microdoses; compared to higher dosage/s of psychedelics.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428761 - 09/01/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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feevers said:
Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:



Microdosing, there is a lot less likely chance One will have to visit the mental hospital if One microdoses; compared to higher dosage/s of psychedelics.




I never said anything against microdosing, and never mentioned higher doses.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428777 - 09/01/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I never once suggested that treatment should not be supplemented with other wellness habits.  Yoga, meditation, long walks, whatever-the-fuck.  You're using a straw-man argument.

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feevers said:Essentially, that's all I'm saying.




No, dude.  You said a lot more than that.  Why not just correct yourself, or rephrase, instead of arguing?

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feevers said:You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:




Then, just say that.  Make the recommendation to supplement the chemical treatment with other wellness habits.  Don't go on about how the chemical is an inferior treatment.  I got hot about it because you see this shit all the time--people talking out of their asses, and missing the point entirely.

I'm sorry?  I got hot, yeah, but I'm not saying you're a shitty human being.  I will not hold it against you or anything, but damn.  That needed to be called out.


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