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Sildara
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Living off the Grid
#25416291 - 08/27/18 07:45 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone here ever just taken a dip from greater society and decided to live in the wilds?
How'd it go?
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: Sildara]
#25416315 - 08/27/18 08:01 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like, I gotta do my laundry by hand?
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ds442
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I thought about it around 8 years ago when I got fired from my job. I was just going to go with my dog and live in the mountains. I was thinking either CA or TN. Then my buddy wanted to move to CA and grow weed. He bailed on me and left me renting a house by myself when I already had 1 in IL. I never talked to him again.
I then almost became a Buddhist monk but the dude told me I would have to get rid of my dog. Fuck that.
Now I could easily go live off the land or deal with this bullshit society that I don't agree with.
If you want to live in the wilderness find a place with lots of oak trees. You can easily live off of acorns. There are tons and can be stored for long periods.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: ds442]
#25416800 - 08/27/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think a 100 pound dog would need something like 8 ounces of fish per day, or it's equivalent.
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ds442
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It would definitely make it harder with a dog. She eats almost anything though and only weighs 45 lbs. I was going to bring my shotgun and a ton of shells to start. I have studied survival techniques a bit. How to make a bow and start fires. I was going to get a book with the edible plants in the area I would go. Much rather have some meat though. I hate fish but would eat it if I had to. I am a pretty good fisherman.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: ds442]
#25447837 - 09/09/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would either hunt and gather or make a small homestead. Chickens, corn, potatoes, onions, and huntable game. Maybe goats or pigs too. Something like that.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25452373 - 09/11/18 01:26 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would do a bunch of bushcrafting and overnights before you jump in. watch into the wild. going unprepared can end very badly
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Truth.
It's hard to go into the "wild" these days. Every plot of land is owned, unless in Canada or Alaska. One interesting bit is that buying large tracts if unrestricted land is relatively cheap. Of course it depends on the state and location.
I am trying to move on some land in the Appalachian mountains. In a way, you can buy your own unrestricted "frontier."
Am just going to drop a 5,000 dollar trailer on the edge near the road. Eventually clear farmland and make way to the ridge to drop a second trailer. Rent the last one out.
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Been meaning to check it out for a while - watching in now (just heard Pearl Jam so i'm a happy human) looks pretty dope so far.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25454125 - 09/12/18 05:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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XUL said:
I am trying to move on some land in the Appalachian mountains.
We did that; Bulldozed a road to the building site near a spring, rocked it, then built a log cabin from a kit. The people we sold it to ran in the electric, drilled the well and installed the septic.
At the moment I'm purchasing some remote land in Florida and am considering building a Cob structure from 1 part cement to 4 parts sand (stucco mix) using barbwire as the longitudinal stabilizer, only it is labor intensive.
I did the foundation for the log cabin the same way by mixing clay with cement (without the barbwire) into 2' square forms fabricated from used roofing tin; when tapped with a hammer the foundation rang like a bell.
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How was your experience building a cabin from a kit? I have been looking at them, but I know nothing about constructing houses.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25454470 - 09/12/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was wonderfully easy. Using a generator we drilled a few holes in the light 8x8 pine logs and nailed them into the preceding log. Windows came with it but the sub floor was extra, we had to buy that and the roofing material, and we modified the roof to achieve an upper level.
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What cabin kit company did you use?
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25454837 - 09/12/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I forget, we traded a houseboat for it, I believe they were out of Arkansas.
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Saving up for a homestead in Oregon, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, or Nevada.
Still a long ways away but it's a must for my family.
I'd love to move up to the App mountains. Especially the family land in Tennessee. It's just too crowded on the East Coast. But the Ga & Tn mountains will forever have a place in my heart. And I'll always come back to hunt and fish.
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As far as I know the wildlife is better in Oregon
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Deer, bear, and trout is all I'm after.
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I ran from the law for 5 years in the 90's. I lived in the wilderness for months at a time. I learned how to flyfish, eat mushrooms, gather berries, and learned the plants. I had no real shelter though so I spent the winters in eugene staying on couches and sometimes renting a room. It was rough but I wouldn't trade it.
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25466875 - 09/17/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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XUL said: Truth.
It's hard to go into the "wild" these days. Every plot of land is owned, unless in Canada or Alaska. One interesting bit is that buying large tracts if unrestricted land is relatively cheap. Of course it depends on the state and location.
I am trying to move on some land in the Appalachian mountains. In a way, you can buy your own unrestricted "frontier."
Am just going to drop a 5,000 dollar trailer on the edge near the road. Eventually clear farmland and make way to the ridge to drop a second trailer. Rent the last one out.
False. Almost every state has land you can live on, especially here in the west. I can literally drive away if I wanted to, and live at the most beautiful primitive campsites the world has to offer. BLM and Nat forest allows 14 day stay then you have to move and repeat if you want indefinitely. I could do this the rest of my life and not even see all of oregon, much less california, nevada, and arizona.
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Did you carry a rifle for game? An ax?
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Re: Living off the Grid [Re: XUL]
#25467219 - 09/17/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not then. But now I have seen bigfoot a few times and am scared to death of the off trail old growth. I still go out to my old spots and pick mushrooms, but I don't fish anymore or camp there. I was so happy when I finally learned to pull those cutthroat trout out of the water. There is nothing like frying up a trout that you caught a few minutes earlier when you're starving and have been living off of salmonberry stalk and blackberry stalk soup with oyster mushrooms for the previous month. I tried to stay out of the public as much as possible and would only move for food, weed, mushroom sales, or winter. I was running because of a marijuana manufacture charge that I picked up in '94.
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I owned an off grid berry farm about ten years later with my ex until we divorced. It was hell keeping the system functioning optimally. I was a slave to the system. I couldn't leave the farm for more than a day.
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It's so hard for me to organize papers. I doubt I'm up for that. It's my biggest problem. A movie with me cast by Mathew Mconehay(or sean penn!) would be pretty cool though.
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I couldn't live out in the bush but I could definitely settle down in one of these.
https://inhabitat.com/7-charming-off-grid-homes-for-a-rent-free-life/
Slow rolling through the AT or PCT would be a pretty cool way to live off the grid for awhile too.
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If u are really wanting to move off grid and be self sufficient after ur land purchase .the next thing should be to either build or buy a sawmill . They supply u with so many valuable resources from job, money, home, etc... it is the most useful thing i have ever built . I even save the sawdust. I traded enough lumber for solar panels .next was chickens, goats, and pigs which i also traded for lumber .they provide so many duties from food to land clearing to just plain ol entertainment. i havent bought any groceries(minus ketchup and mustard )in the last 7 years .Where i live in the Appalachians(far east tn)u dont really need a garden cause there so many edibles growing everywhere just take a walk and a basket.
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How do you move a log? and how do you lift it when it arrives at your mill?
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With cant hooks and come alongs when i first started now i have a tractor with pallet forks its alor easier but the manual way worked. Also most of the timber i cut comes from my land we have close to 376 acre. Also u wouldnt believe how many logs u can get for free just for removing them
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I had a small woodmizer sawmill and still do. I have a small 27 horse john deer that I use to lift the log onto the mill with chokers. You can also use a tool called a sweed which is a big swinging hook hanging from a handle with enough room fro 4 people to grab the end of the log and maneuver it to the mill or end of your truck bed heavy end first. Then you do the same with the small end and lift onto mill or slide into truck pile. I used to pirate logs almost every single night when I lived off grid surrounded by always clearcut BLM We also had this outdoor wood burning furnace that pumped low voltage pumped hot water to the greenhouses, chinchilla barn, our hot water heater, and house furnace. It was the best heat source ever and could heat up our house in a few minutes with the blower and heat exchange copper coils in back. very simple design. Weyerhauser left old growth stump rounds that they cut from the base of every tree after felling it, so they were perfect for a sledge hammer and wedges. There was always unlimited firewood. Once we had a place we were actually allowed in during the day called maple mountain. It was a mountain made of maple, alder, and hemlock trees. I attached as many chokers as possible to pull out usable sawmill timber, and cut away for firewood rounds. One morning the entire place had been burnt to a pile of ash by the company. There were at least 40 of us using that source. They gave no warning that it was going to be burnt. Back to piracy after that...
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Quote:
passifloracaerulea said: I had a small woodmizer sawmill and still do. I have a small 27 horse john deer that I use to lift the log onto the mill with chokers. You can also use a tool called a sweed which is a big swinging hook hanging from a handle with enough room fro 4 people to grab the end of the log and maneuver it to the mill or end of your truck bed heavy end first. Then you do the same with the small end and lift onto mill or slide into truck pile. I used to pirate logs almost every single night when I lived off grid surrounded by always clearcut BLM We also had this outdoor wood burning furnace that pumped low voltage pumped hot water to the greenhouses, chinchilla barn, our hot water heater, and house furnace. It was the best heat source ever and could heat up our house in a few minutes with the blower and heat exchange copper coils in back. very simple design. Weyerhauser left old growth stump rounds that they cut from the base of every tree after felling it, so they were perfect for a sledge hammer and wedges. There was always unlimited firewood. Once we had a place we were actually allowed in during the day called maple mountain. It was a mountain made of maple, alder, and hemlock trees. I attached as many chokers as possible to pull out usable sawmill timber, and cut away for firewood rounds. One morning the entire place had been burnt to a pile of ash by the company. There were at least 40 of us using that source. They gave no warning that it was going to be burnt. Back to piracy after that...
I about wore myself out sledging and wedging old growth rounds last autumn that the mill was glad to be rid of. Then this spring I split a 17' Hemlock log and drug it across the face of a ravine, almost losing myself. I've got old hemlock and cherry on the face of this ravine and about the only way I figure I'll get it out of there is to fell it into the creek then winch it back up to the paved road. I cant figure if the cherry is worth more by the 16" round log or if I'd be better making it into firewood.
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Or set up a spar.
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No, it's the dream tho.
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I don't know why I said Hemlock when I meant Locust.
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passifloracaerulea said: Or set up a spar.

Yeah uh huh.
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So this boiler u had was it just one of the premade outdoor wood stove boilers or was it something u built cause ive really bn thanking about investing in one of these cause propane is eating me out of house and home . We do have quite a large home 3600 sqft on one level but our monthly propane payment is 298 a month every month it is the only bill we have but damn that over3000 a year just to heat November through march gotta figure so.ething out any ideas on best way to heat
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It was the smaller central boiler brand and unit at the time which was in 2005 when we got it. It could be made if you were a really good welder and had all the parts that cost essentially what the entire unit is... It was fucking sweet though, in how much exchange heat it really put off. You'd think the exchange to your normal hot water heater would be minimal, but our water was too hot without adding some cool water to it. The one heater we used for the whole house took a few minutes to heat up the entire house, even during freezing weather after being gone for days. I built the whole 30'x40' greenhouse with lumber i made with my sawmill pirated from the clearcuts by moonlight. That greenhouse was tropical. It was like walking into and breathing a rainforest. I had around a dozen different passiflora species, benches of giant salvias, and around 200 of around a dozen trichocereus species I grew from seed and were 7 years old. I built the greenhouse the last summer I was married, then had to give it up the next year. I've built some awesome shit and had just about everything taken from me over the years, even a rainbow obsidian claim that was worth millions to the chinese, and the assholes who stole it actually made those millions. I'm not exaggerating. Life will eat you.
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why the fuck did this go on this thread
YO internet u be trippin
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