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Microdosing & Depression Treatment
    #25403478 - 08/21/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have any experience or information on using mushrooms for this purpose?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25424329 - 08/30/18 04:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a recent podcast that addresses the topic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswkdk

They talk about 'micro dosing' but suggested that treating depression and other mental illness required larger doses.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: BondVillain]
    #25424345 - 08/30/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a recent podcast that addresses the topic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswkdk

They talk about 'micro dosing' but suggested that treating depression and other mental illness required larger doses.






Thanks!!


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California] * 1
    #25424452 - 08/30/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I've been microdosing for three weeks now for that very reason (among others).  Incredibly enough, it's actually working.

I'm sharper.  I'm more present, mindful.  I'm great in conversations again.  My creativity is on fire right now.  My mood is WAY better.  That's probably the biggest thing.  I feel open, and not irritable af all the time.  I'm fucking LAUGHING again!  I feel amazing!

I'm eating well.  My appetite has completely stabilized.  I'm working out again.  I'm cleaning everything.  And it's not like I'm forcing myself to do it.  I'm just... doing it.  It's the craziest thing, like everything is falling into place.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25426467 - 08/31/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25426502 - 08/31/18 03:28 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I am currently dosing daily and it has changed my life is a short period of time and gotten me off of a prescription medication completely.
My journal outlines some of my experience through documentation.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25426738 - 08/31/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?




B+ cubensis currently, although I am interested in experimenting with Panaeolus cyansescens.  I've read reports of even greater results with those.

5 days on, 2 days off.  Dose range of .3 to .7 dried grams.

Keep in mind, however, it's only been three weeks.  I'm still testing the waters, so to speak.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25427776 - 09/01/18 04:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

2 to 3 weeks in that's good going and ur feeling results. .3 to .7 can u feel it effect u in any way? If I eat a small amount  lik .5 it would make me feel weird,  I'd take about a .2 not to have to feel all strange.

Do u micro dose in the morning or evening?  Also is the cyanescens really much better is that just because of potency or is the other compounds that's could help. Thank for the reply dude


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25428270 - 09/01/18 11:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

For now, I'm taking it in the morning.  And you are right about feeling weird.  There have been a few mornings, after dosing, where I feel uncomfortable, actually.  It's not terrible, but it does suck a little.  It's nothing trippy or psychedelic, just a weird, uncomfortable feeling.  I don't know whether or not this is a typical symptom of low doses, or if it's me.  I suspect it's me and the headspace I'm in on those mornings.  To combat it, I've been taking the microdoses with food.  It seems to help.  Then I just try to keep myself busy.

It's not the worst thing, though, and it's only been a few times.  It's absolutely still worth it.  I'm reminded of something Tim Ferriss always says: "There's no such thing as a biological free lunch."  You can't expect a perfect physiological solution to your every problem, and certainly not without possibly affecting some other shit.  You take the good with the bad, and it's not even really bad.

And as far as the cyanescens goes, it's because of the other compounds involved--not the potency.  But Idk.  I won't talk out of my ass on this one.  I'm still looking into it.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428403 - 09/01/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It might be more beneficial to look at "treating depression" instead as cultivating a better mind state.

Ingesting a chemical will not do that for you. It may work temporarily, but will require increasing doseages and will most likely fall to baseline when you stop ingesting the chemical.

Mushrooms can certainly help you to achieve a better mind state, but it may involve some creativity based upon your individual needs, and work on your part outside of simply eating some fungus.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428467 - 09/01/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, did even you read my posts?

Well, thanks anyway Dr. Drew, you presumptuous douche.  Go fuck yourself.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428496 - 09/01/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean, did even you read my posts?

Well, thanks anyway Dr. Drew, you presumptuous douche.  Go fuck yourself.



I wasn't referencing your posts, just generally replying to OP's question, as can be implied by the fact I didn't quote anyone. If anything, my post was agreeing with your previous one.

See you in the "Cure misplaced anger by eating magic mushrooms" thread. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428498 - 09/01/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I mean, why do you think they have antidepressants in the first place, you retard?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428499 - 09/01/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Think about what you actually said.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428514 - 09/01/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Consider why current research agrees that SSRI's work best when paired with psychotherapy or other therapeutic techniques, and my original post shouldn't be too hard to follow.

Not sure how or why it offends you.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428527 - 09/01/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It irritates me because people love to drop in threads or Tweets or whatever, and sling dick like they're trying to teach you something.  It's pretentious, self-important bullshit.

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feevers said:Ingesting a chemical will not do that for you. It may work temporarily, but will require increasing doseages and will most likely fall to baseline when you stop ingesting the chemical.




Based on this notion that YOU posited, the entire premise of the pharmaceutical industry is null and void.  What I'm saying is that it's fucking stupid and irresponsible to go around saying that shit to people who may actually need help.

All because you had to go open your mouth.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428742 - 09/01/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428749 - 09/01/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:



Microdosing, there is a lot less likely chance One will have to visit the mental hospital if One microdoses; compared to higher dosage/s of psychedelics.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428761 - 09/01/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:



Microdosing, there is a lot less likely chance One will have to visit the mental hospital if One microdoses; compared to higher dosage/s of psychedelics.




I never said anything against microdosing, and never mentioned higher doses.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25428777 - 09/01/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I never once suggested that treatment should not be supplemented with other wellness habits.  Yoga, meditation, long walks, whatever-the-fuck.  You're using a straw-man argument.

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feevers said:Essentially, that's all I'm saying.




No, dude.  You said a lot more than that.  Why not just correct yourself, or rephrase, instead of arguing?

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feevers said:You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:




Then, just say that.  Make the recommendation to supplement the chemical treatment with other wellness habits.  Don't go on about how the chemical is an inferior treatment.  I got hot about it because you see this shit all the time--people talking out of their asses, and missing the point entirely.

I'm sorry?  I got hot, yeah, but I'm not saying you're a shitty human being.  I will not hold it against you or anything, but damn.  That needed to be called out.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428806 - 09/01/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I know nothing of the subject on microdosing psilocybin.
I do, have a leisure for taking microdoses of LSD. :leocheers:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428816 - 09/01/18 03:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yeeeah…  The thing about that is, for me, I can't justify using some synthetic bullshit like LSD without feeling like I'm just on drugs.  People have incorporated psilocybin mushroom into their diets FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!  I can get onboard with that.

This is basically my philosophy towards all drugs.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428818 - 09/01/18 03:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Not hating or anything.  I don't like big pharma drugs either.  No judgement here.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428833 - 09/01/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeeeah…  The thing about that is, for me, I can't justify using some synthetic bullshit like LSD without feeling like I'm just on drugs.  People have incorporated psilocybin mushroom into their diets FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!  I can get onboard with that.

This is basically my philosophy towards all drugs.



Seeing as LSD isn't even 100 years old yet... It leaves One to question why it was discovered in one of the most important times in the world's history.

If LSD is freaking You out, Mate... Take a smaller dosage, by golly.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428845 - 09/01/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It's not about freaking out or anything like that.  It's just the shit like cannabis, mushrooms, cactus, etc. are ALL-NATURAL!  That simply makes sense to me.

lol "Freak out" xD…  Bro, I've held hands with the fucking Devil himself, and loved every second of it.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428873 - 09/01/18 04:16 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not about freaking out or anything like that.  It's just the shit like cannabis, mushrooms, cactus, etc. are ALL-NATURAL!  That simply makes sense to me.

lol "Freak out" xD…  Bro, I've held hands with the fucking Devil himself, and loved every second of it.



Ohhh!!! One of those "all-natural" bloaks, are Yeh?

If You ever decide to eat LSD, I will most certainly be seeing You on the other side, man.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428931 - 09/01/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good, my dude.  Cheers! :mushroom2:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25429128 - 09/01/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: mt cleverest]
    #25429184 - 09/01/18 06:42 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane



For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.

When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25430025 - 09/02/18 06:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply. Hmmm a debate got going sorry I mist it. I would just like to say nobody wants to be on medication lik ssri or any of the others anti depressant medication because they truly fuck your shit up causing much more than just depression.

If u want to trust a doctors opinion of how u can get better than ur happiness  is in his hands. Take bake ur life, educate ur self and treat yourself it's ur body.

If a little mushroom or what ever it is that make life easier and mabyhave  fun again is what u need then take it and don't worry. Help yourself


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25430353 - 09/02/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?




B+ cubensis currently, although I am interested in experimenting with Panaeolus cyansescens.  I've read reports of even greater results with those.

5 days on, 2 days off.  Dose range of .3 to .7 dried grams.

Keep in mind, however, it's only been three weeks.  I'm still testing the waters, so to speak.






Thank you for sharing!

So are you just taking the small dose in the morning prior to starting your day?  Are you redosing midday?

I personally have only taken mushrooms recreationally in college maybe 12 or so times and it was always fun ... but that was years ago.  Currently, I have microdised a few times but it has been with premade chocolates and I am unsure of the true dose content (allegedly the bar has 8g and I usually take 1/4 of the bar... then another 1/4)

I have noticed the next few days after I am much more appreciative of friends and family and much more patient in daily life.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25430361 - 09/02/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane



For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.

When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.




Thats my understanding as well ...


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25430601 - 09/02/18 11:57 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I've had severe treatment-resistand for 40 years. Tried over 30 meds, nothing worked. I recently started using psilocybin and it changed everything. I do 5g once a week, after trying various doses and frequency.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25430632 - 09/02/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had severe treatment-resistand for 40 years. Tried over 30 meds, nothing worked. I recently started using psilocybin and it changed everything. I do 5g once a week, after trying various doses and frequency.




Thanks for sharing.

How long have you been using this system?

What kind of changes have you seen within yourself?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25430909 - 09/02/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Just started this year, about 4 months ago. I started off micro/mini dosing, I found it was good for fixing problems with your life, analyzing relationships and behavior, etc. Most of the improvements were actually life improvements I was just able to see more easily.

I slowly went up in dose, experimented with various doses at various intervals. I found on 4g+, my depression would go into remission, but only for a week or so.

Sometimes, I take a smaller dose halfway through the week, and then bump up the next dose due to tolerance.

I still have seen sympts, it's not 100% gone, but considering I got no relief from 30+ medications, it's something.

I also tried ketamine, it didn't cure my depression, but it enabled me to write again (for about three days afterwards) for the first time in many years, which the mushrooms haven't done yet.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25431025 - 09/02/18 03:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm.  I'm a little confused.  Would you mind elaborating on your dosing schedule (and also anything else in general)?


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    #25431060 - 09/02/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

4-5g once a week, let's say on Sunday. Rarely, I dose 2-3g on, say Wednesday. If I do this, I add another gram onto my next dose to make up for tolerance.

I am hoping that someday, the depression won't come back, and I won't need any, or I can just microdose, but this is the regimen I've found works for me. But again, I have had extremely severe treatment-resistant depression my whole life.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25431122 - 09/02/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I was kinda doing the same for a while, but ultimately came to microdosing.  Why'd you switch?

This is something I'm highly interested in, obviously.  I could sit here and ask questions all day, but I'll try not to. lol


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25431145 - 09/02/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I would honestly be typing way more if I wasn't on my phone, haha.

I honestly just kept messing around with dosages and schedules until I found one that worked. I find it's more "continuous therapy" than the research MAPS has done where it's one large dose.

What I'm hoping happens is that I will reach a point where I can just microdose.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25431152 - 09/02/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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cognitivebias said:I find it's more "continuous therapy" than the research MAPS has done where it's one large dose.




Yes, dude!  Exactly!  This notion that you have this one, breakthrough trip, then everything is magically healed, is folley.  I'm not saying people don't have these experiences to some extent, but you have to continually make trips back to the well.  It's like therapy.  It takes time and effort to work through shit.

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cognitivebias said:What I'm hoping happens is that I will reach a point where I can just microdose.




Well, perhaps we are both on the right track.  Maybe it doesn't have to be one way or the other, black and white.  Maybe a fusion of these approaches is ideal.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25431162 - 09/02/18 05:13 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

In my honest opinion you can get more ling term results from larger doses.

I micro dosed for a few months about 4-5 years ago and I felt great, excess energy I was very social and felt like a ninja all day but as soon as I stopped so did the positive effects, so in essence to me it just felt like I was taking some natural antidepressant but like Zoloft has never got rid of anyone's depression it's used to treat a symptom.
That's what micro dosing felt like after the fact.

You can never completely rid yourself of depression, everyone gets sad and everyone let's some things bother them more than they should.
It's the crippling depression and anxiety that keep you from doing things that should not bring depression or anxiety.
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: bishlap]
    #25431238 - 09/02/18 05:58 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I have severe depression and have taken shrooms everyday many times. microdosing worked to lift my mood when I was relatively new to the drug however microdosing doesnt work anymore even at zero tolerance. I have to have at least 3 grams. I am very physically able and creative on shrooms however the difficulty lies in becoming very childlike and at the same time totally fearless. If we had a free loving society that wouldnt be an issue but as it stands the world is a danger to me regardless of the fact that I am in no way a danger to it.:sad:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Love_spirit]
    #25431501 - 09/02/18 08:13 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Mushies from My experience have quite the tolerance loss compared to LSD.

Microdosing on LSD 2 -3 days in a row is always possible.
But mcirodosing psilocybin mushrooms 2 -3 days in a row,
now this is simply impossible and a waste of precious, sacred product.

Administering approximately 0.3 - 0.4 grams of psilocybin, with no tolerance will absolutely work. But after the come down, administering another 0.4 gram dose will barely bring back the effects. If One waits 2-3 days, the psilocybin's half life will regain Itself and One will get Their microdosing effects back. Be weary though, taking consecutive doses of psilocybin after coming down, One may exhibit strong - heavy hang over like effects. The molecules simply won't let You use enough of Your own brain chemistry to get the desired effects.

Since psilocybe mushies are notorious for this tolerance loss.
It is suggested that microdosing LSD may potentially be a lot safer and efficient.
At VERY, and I mean VERY low doses.

Happy tripping and microdosing Everyone.

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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25432305 - 09/03/18 06:49 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores]
    #25432348 - 09/03/18 07:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.




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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores] * 1
    #25432422 - 09/03/18 08:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.



Here's my somewhat in-depth account of treating myself using psilocybin:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25157269

Everyone's different, some may benefit more from micro doses, some from large doses. Some people might benefit more from a "bad" trip than a good one.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25432540 - 09/03/18 09:26 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

For you guys who have been on anti-depressants, have you done micro dosing while still on or within a day or two?  I have mild depression at most but would have a hard time getting off the 10 mg celexa and mg ativan that I take daily.  So how do you get off them to the point where you can do the microdosing?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25432549 - 09/03/18 09:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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For you guys who have been on anti-depressants, have you done micro dosing while still on or within a day or two?  I have mild depression at most but would have a hard time getting off the 10 mg celexa and mg ativan that I take daily.  So how do you get off them to the point where you can do the microdosing?




I am not a doctor nor a medical professional, but I do know James Fadiman says that so far he only recommends that people on lithum carbonate not microdose.
His talks can be found on youtube and he has a website as well that may offer you further information or clarification on that specific question.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25432579 - 09/03/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.



Here's my somewhat in-depth account of treating myself using psilocybin:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25157269

Everyone's different, some may benefit more from micro doses, some from large doses. Some people might benefit more from a "bad" trip than a good one.






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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25432851 - 09/03/18 11:52 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Some say you get no effects from shrooms if on SSRIs or ativan (anti-anxiety).  Is that true for people here who have tried it?  How long have you been off SSRIs before shrooms worked?  Is there a risk of bad effects if you take shrooms while still on SSRIs?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25432875 - 09/03/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Some say you get no effects from shrooms if on SSRIs or ativan (anti-anxiety).  Is that true for people here who have tried it?  How long have you been off SSRIs before shrooms worked?  Is there a risk of bad effects if you take shrooms while still on SSRIs?




From the experiences I have seen people share here, if the medications did impact their overall experience or lack thereof, it took a few months to regain perceivable effects.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: gizmodo]
    #25432938 - 09/03/18 12:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Some say you get no effects from shrooms if on SSRIs or ativan (anti-anxiety).  Is that true for people here who have tried it?  How long have you been off SSRIs before shrooms worked?  Is there a risk of bad effects if you take shrooms while still on SSRIs?




From the experiences I have seen people share here, if the medications did impact their overall experience or lack thereof, it took a few months to regain perceivable effects.




You are saying a few moths off SSRIs before you get effects?  It would seem very strange that you would not get effects once they were out of your system.  After 4 days, only a small
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25432941 - 09/03/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Shrrrooms said:
Some say you get no effects from shrooms if on SSRIs or ativan (anti-anxiety).  Is that true for people here who have tried it?  How long have you been off SSRIs before shrooms worked?  Is there a risk of bad effects if you take shrooms while still on SSRIs?




From the experiences I have seen people share here, if the medications did impact their overall experience or lack thereof, it took a few months to regain perceivable effects.




You are saying a few moths off SSRIs before you get effects?  It would seem very strange that you would not get effects once they were out of your system.  After 4 days, only a small
amount would remain.




Not me saying specifically, no. I have although seen people report that, yes.
If this is true, I imagine it is because of the potential neurological components that the medications have effects on.
Probably based on how long you have taken whatever it is and at what dose, IF that statement holds true to you specifically which you wouldn't know until you tried.
All that being said though even if it did the reasons behind why or why for how long reside in the realm of spoopy science we don't know... well you and I.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: gizmodo]
    #25433743 - 09/03/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want to be a loud mouth here
but I've come to assume that those who microdose mushies are frightened of microdosing LSD.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25433753 - 09/03/18 07:03 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Well... I mean unless you can synthesize LSD in your room?

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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq] * 1
    #25433795 - 09/03/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to be a loud mouth here
but I've come to assume that those who microdose mushies are frightened of microdosing LSD.




I've taken gargantuan amounts of LSD before.  Mushrooms are way scarier.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25434108 - 09/03/18 10:18 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to be a loud mouth here
but I've come to assume that those who microdose mushies are frightened of microdosing LSD.




I've heard some don't like the chemical feeling it gives you.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Apocalyptic]
    #25434460 - 09/04/18 07:12 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to be a loud mouth here
but I've come to assume that those who microdose mushies are frightened of microdosing LSD.




I've heard some don't like the chemical feeling it gives you.



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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25437991 - 09/05/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

This was a cool thread to read but it left me even more confused.  I guess I am going to give it a try for myself.  If I am micro dosing during the work week II wouldn’t be able to have a 5 gram trip on the weekend, correct?


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    #25438106 - 09/05/18 05:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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This was a cool thread to read but it left me even more confused.  I guess I am going to give it a try for myself.  If I am micro dosing during the work week II wouldn’t be able to have a 5 gram trip on the weekend, correct?




You would be able to trip on the weekend.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: audiosnipez]
    #25438223 - 09/05/18 06:02 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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This was a cool thread to read but it left me even more confused.  I guess I am going to give it a try for myself.  If I am micro dosing during the work week II wouldn’t be able to have a 5 gram trip on the weekend, correct?



It's still up in the air for exactly what works with micro dos, all we know is from people's home experiments with them, and there all difrent in some way. U must do it yourself. Also why wouldn't u be able to trip on the weekend?


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    #25439731 - 09/06/18 10:28 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking there would be a tolerance issue but I guess not. I really wish there was professional research on this because every source says something different.  Personally I think I am going to start with .2 grams twice a week for 2 months.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: audiosnipez]
    #25440442 - 09/06/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I was thinking there would be a tolerance issue but I guess not. I really wish there was professional research on this because every source says something different.  Personally I think I am going to start with .2 grams twice a week for 2 months.



That's a fine and dandy place to stay, man.

I believe it is also possible to eat a high dose on a good weekend out of that month.

It's just when One starts eating mushies every single day, is when They will lose magic, quickly.
It takes 2-3 days to regain One's tolerance to psilocybin/psilocin.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25440678 - 09/06/18 05:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

When microdosing I do not sense a tolerance or loss of effects, some people do though.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: gizmodo]
    #25440806 - 09/06/18 06:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I can't speak for mushrooms but I have a good amount of experience with microdosing mescaline for depression/general & social anxiety starting in 2015. I've tried different frequency patterns and dosages (at one point I microdosed ~40mg white HCL extract everyday for around 4 weeks straight - don't do this) with all sorts of positive and negative effects. At the peak of experience I felt absolutely amazing everyday and like a totally different person - literally the happiest i've been in my entire life. But I've also over indulged and felt sick/poisoned and on the verge of insanity at my low points. Overall, if done correctly the results can be enormous. The effects are only temporary though which should be expected - just like if you stop taking any other anti-depressant. These days I just occasionally eat some good bridgesii because its easy and can feel just as good as an HCL extract. SS02 is a very good material at 30-40g fresh which I found out last week :smile:

Edit: I forgot to mention that regular physical exercise greatly increases the positive effects of microdosing.


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    #25442476 - 09/07/18 11:35 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't speak for mushrooms but I have a good amount of experience with microdosing mescaline for depression/general & social anxiety starting in 2015. I've tried different frequency patterns and dosages (at one point I microdosed ~40mg white HCL extract everyday for around 4 weeks straight - don't do this) with all sorts of positive and negative effects. At the peak of experience I felt absolutely amazing everyday and like a totally different person - literally the happiest i've been in my entire life. But I've also over indulged and felt sick/poisoned and on the verge of insanity at my low points. Overall, if done correctly the results can be enormous. The effects are only temporary though which should be expected - just like if you stop taking any other anti-depressant. These days I just occasionally eat some good bridgesii because its easy and can feel just as good as an HCL extract. SS02 is a very good material at 30-40g fresh which I found out last week :smile:

Edit: I forgot to mention that regular physical exercise greatly increases the positive effects of microdosing.



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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Maldozer]
    #25465100 - 09/16/18 05:09 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't speak for mushrooms but I have a good amount of experience with microdosing mescaline for depression/general & social anxiety starting in 2015. I've tried different frequency patterns and dosages (at one point I microdosed ~40mg white HCL extract everyday for around 4 weeks straight - don't do this) with all sorts of positive and negative effects. At the peak of experience I felt absolutely amazing everyday and like a totally different person - literally the happiest i've been in my entire life. But I've also over indulged and felt sick/poisoned and on the verge of insanity at my low points. Overall, if done correctly the results can be enormous. The effects are only temporary though which should be expected - just like if you stop taking any other anti-depressant. These days I just occasionally eat some good bridgesii because its easy and can feel just as good as an HCL extract. SS02 is a very good material at 30-40g fresh which I found out last week :smile:

Edit: I forgot to mention that regular physical exercise greatly increases the positive effects of microdosing.






Great info!

So if you were to construct a protocol what would it look like?

I am interested in learning more about your dose / freq / and other factors during the phase when you felt like the microdose was very effective


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    #25485965 - 09/24/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I was thinking there would be a tolerance issue but I guess not. I really wish there was professional research on this because every source says something different.  Personally I think I am going to start with .2 grams twice a week for 2 months.





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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Proton_California]
    #25486138 - 09/24/18 06:05 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

My initial foray into mushrooms was for the express purpose of alleviating severe, persistent depression. It worked amazingly well. I have been able to go several months before feeling like it was time for another reset. I didn't play around with the doses; first time and lowest dose was 35g wet, largest was 7g dry. The first time produced only happiness and relief, while the larger doses were very cathartic.

My last serious dose (5g dry) was back in July. For a few weeks now, I've been microdosing twice a week. I started out with approx 250mg capsules, but quickly discovered it was more than I wanted for a microdose. I moved to a smaller capsule, and now take right at 100mg. It's enough to feel, but completely manageable. I'm also stacking Lion's Mane and C. militaris.

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    #25486234 - 09/24/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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My initial foray into mushrooms was for the express purpose of alleviating severe, persistent depression. It worked amazingly well. I have been able to go several months before feeling like it was time for another reset. I didn't play around with the doses; first time and lowest dose was 35g wet, largest was 7g dry. The first time produced only happiness and relief, while the larger doses were very cathartic.

My last serious dose (5g dry) was back in July. For a few weeks now, I've been microdosing twice a week. I started out with approx 250mg capsules, but quickly discovered it was more than I wanted for a microdose. I moved to a smaller capsule, and now take right at 100mg. It's enough to feel, but completely manageable. I'm also stacking Lion's Mane and C. militaris.

My plan is to continue microdosing, and to also take large doses intermittently.





i was hoping someone would discuss the benefits of lions mane... is it that beneficial?

also - in regards to your intial dosage... are you taking that at once or taking the (for example 7 g) over a few hours ?


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    #25486384 - 09/24/18 07:18 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

For me the lion's mane has been worth it. I can't quantify it, but I perceive that my thoughts are generally clearer and my brain seems to be a little quicker -- both welcome things in a brain that has been abused by depression, migraines, and sleep apnea!

When I take a serious dose, it's all at once. On my very first trip, I did part lemon tekked and ate the rest over a period of just a few minutes. The rest of the times have been all at once (lemon tekked, chugged).


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For me the lion's mane has been worth it. I can't quantify it, but I perceive that my thoughts are generally clearer and my brain seems to be a little quicker -- both welcome things in a brain that has been abused by depression, migraines, and sleep apnea!

When I take a serious dose, it's all at once. On my very first trip, I did part lemon tekked and ate the rest over a period of just a few minutes. The rest of the times have been all at once (lemon tekked, chugged).





What are your lion doses and frequency?

I had a sleep disorder that was undiagnosed for years and i am still adjusting to "normal" sleep cycles but i believe that chronic isses with sleep quality over years and years for sure affected my neurotransmitters and overall mood

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Yeah,do it.

I found my ideal microdose dose (.2) and did it whenever I felt the need.

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    #25486844 - 09/24/18 10:12 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Also I've done it as frequently as everyday for a month with big doses mixed in and no tolerance noticable.

Also you don't need any studies...

You rely too much on others if you do.

Everyone is different for starters, we all need something different and at different times.

There is no "do it this way and your depression is cured"

You need to eat the mushrooms and listen ymto yourself.

Do what you feel is right, when you feel it is right. Trust yourself and the mushrooms. Just eat them and listen.

Also lemon tek is grinding your cubes and then squeezing fresh lemon juice on top and storing for 15 min then downing.

I wouldn't recommend it.

I did it back when I couldn't get mushrooms when I wanted and was trying to get the most bang from what I had.

Imo there's no reason to do it besides of you have less than your desired dose and want to try to intensify it.

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    #25487081 - 09/25/18 02:11 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I find this thread fascinating because I am working on something similar. 

My history is that I have been on fluoxetine, an SSRI for 25 years now.  It has been effective at treating my depression and OCD symptoms.  But I have never been happy with the side effects.  Over the years I have weaned myself down at times, trying to get off of it.  But the depression always came back and negatively impacted my life. Then I would go back to my regular dose of 80mg, which is pretty high for this drug.

After reading a lot about the positive effects that psilocybin can have on depression, I have been interested to give it a try.  So, I am back to weaning myself down off of the fluoxetine.  So far I am feeling fine.  I am closely monitoring my moods with a phone app so that I don't slip slowly into depression without noticing.

Just knowing that I may have an all natural substitute for the fluoxetine has been keeping me pretty upbeat and inspired.  I am holding out hope that I will finally be able to be free of that drug once and for all.  My depression tends to be episodic and not chronic.  So I hope that I will be able to go months without anything, and then just occasionally microdose for a while or take a trip a couple times a year.

If my first grow bears fruit, then I will likely have mushrooms available before I have completely weaned myself off of the fluoxetine.  I will probably experiment with small microdoses even if I am not completely off of the fluoxetine.  If I notice nothing, then I will save the rest for when I am completely weaned.

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I find this thread fascinating because I am working on something similar. 

My history is that I have been on fluoxetine, an SSRI for 25 years now.  It has been effective at treating my depression and OCD symptoms.  But I have never been happy with the side effects.  Over the years I have weaned myself down at times, trying to get off of it.  But the depression always came back and negatively impacted my life. Then I would go back to my regular dose of 80mg, which is pretty high for this drug.

After reading a lot about the positive effects that psilocybin can have on depression, I have been interested to give it a try.  So, I am back to weaning myself down off of the fluoxetine.  So far I am feeling fine.  I am closely monitoring my moods with a phone app so that I don't slip slowly into depression without noticing.

Just knowing that I may have an all natural substitute for the fluoxetine has been keeping me pretty upbeat and inspired.  I am holding out hope that I will finally be able to be free of that drug once and for all.  My depression tends to be episodic and not chronic.  So I hope that I will be able to go months without anything, and then just occasionally microdose for a while or take a trip a couple times a year.

If my first grow bears fruit, then I will likely have mushrooms available before I have completely weaned myself off of the fluoxetine.  I will probably experiment with small microdoses even if I am not completely off of the fluoxetine.  If I notice nothing, then I will save the rest for when I am completely weaned.

So that is where I am at.  I will let you all know how things go.





Thats great news!  Keep us posted.  Sending positive vibes your way! 

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    #25488860 - 09/25/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone had experience using the "third wave" microdosing protocol? A mushroom guide just recommended this site to me.

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Has anyone had experience using the "third wave" microdosing protocol? A mushroom guide just recommended this site to me.

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/






Have you looked into this?  It seems they charge 150 to download their microdosing schedule


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Thank you all that have shared experiences microdosing. I haven't done it but I'm very interested in it.


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    #25492655 - 09/27/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Also I've done it as frequently as everyday for a month with big doses mixed in and no tolerance noticable.

Also you don't need any studies...

You rely too much on others if you do.

Everyone is different for starters, we all need something different and at different times.

There is no "do it this way and your depression is cured"

You need to eat the mushrooms and listen ymto yourself.

Do what you feel is right, when you feel it is right. Trust yourself and the mushrooms. Just eat them and listen.

Also lemon tek is grinding your cubes and then squeezing fresh lemon juice on top and storing for 15 min then downing.

I wouldn't recommend it.

I did it back when I couldn't get mushrooms when I wanted and was trying to get the most bang from what I had.

Imo there's no reason to do it besides of you have less than your desired dose and want to try to intensify it.

But then imo tea is better for that anyway




How would lemon juice intensity this?  Doesnt sound logical

Also - what is the micro dosage for wet mushrooms?


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    #25493261 - 09/27/18 02:36 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself


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    #25494086 - 09/27/18 08:17 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

+++ This post is excellent material. Something i have been researching for a long time, but always skeptical about who i listen too... But so many people sharing the same positive results is inspiring !


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+++ This post is excellent material. Something i have been researching for a long time, but always skeptical about who i listen too... But so many people sharing the same positive results is inspiring !





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I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself




I agree about drying. I guess you could microdose with fresh, but it's so much more convenient to dry them, grind them into a fine powder, then put the powder into capsules. Furthermore, if you dry it and powder it, your active dosage is going to be more consistent.

I'm not sure there's what you'd call settled science on what the lemon does, but I will tell you it intensifies it.


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For me the lion's mane has been worth it. I can't quantify it, but I perceive that my thoughts are generally clearer and my brain seems to be a little quicker -- both welcome things in a brain that has been abused by depression, migraines, and sleep apnea!

When I take a serious dose, it's all at once. On my very first trip, I did part lemon tekked and ate the rest over a period of just a few minutes. The rest of the times have been all at once (lemon tekked, chugged).





What are your lion doses and frequency?

I had a sleep disorder that was undiagnosed for years and i am still adjusting to "normal" sleep cycles but i believe that chronic isses with sleep quality over years and years for sure affected my neurotransmitters and overall mood

also - whats lemon tekk?




I'm dosing 500mg 8:1 extract once daily. Recommended (from that particular supplier, at least) 2 capsules per day. I've not done 2 capsules in the morning, but I have done one in the morning and one before bed. My experience wasn't great with that regimen because my sleep was even worse than normal. I also struggle to get good sleep, so that was the primary reason I switched to once per day.


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    #25497758 - 09/29/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself




I agree about drying. I guess you could microdose with fresh, but it's so much more convenient to dry them, grind them into a fine powder, then put the powder into capsules. Furthermore, if you dry it and powder it, your active dosage is going to be more consistent.

I'm not sure there's what you'd call settled science on what the lemon does, but I will tell you it intensifies it.




I figured this to be the case.  Thank you


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    #25497780 - 09/29/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

The science is that it breaks down the mushrooms like I said so your stomach doesn't have to.

Lemons are acidic. They begin to break down the mushrooms same way your stomach does and this means you don't habe to and it's already broken down when you ingest it, meaning it enters your system much quicker and more st once, meaning it feels more intense .....

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    #25498843 - 09/29/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Lemons are acidic. They begin to break down the mushrooms same way your stomach does...




That reminds me of something that happened a couple weeks ago.  I take niacin as a supplement.  And as anyone who has taken niacin knows, it can make your skin flush and get itchy.  Normally, I have no problem ignoring the itchiness and don't scratch.  But that one day, I had a large glass of orange juice with my niacin and within minutes, the itchiness was so bad I couldn't stand it.  Fortunately, I was alone at home. I was scratching hard everywhere and could not get relief for a good half hour.  Clearly the acid from the orange juice caused the niacin to absorb much faster.  It was a few weeks ago and I am still covered with scratches.  Acids will definitely make some things break down and absorb faster!


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    #25547633 - 10/18/18 02:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Fantastic thread!  I'm sorry to see it has died out since longer term results would be great to hear.  Can the prior participants give us updates on whether this is still working for them?  I would also be very curious whether anyone has transitioned to microdosing after just a few day off antidepressants or ativan.


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Fantastic thread!  I'm sorry to see it has died out since longer term results would be great to hear.  Can the prior participants give us updates on whether this is still working for them?  I would also be very curious whether anyone has transitioned to microdosing after just a few day off antidepressants or Ativan.




Just my 2 cents but i would assume the transition off of Ativan would be fairly quick since its  a short-acting drug in terms of half life?  Although i will say i had a family member that was put on Klonopin daily and took it for 7 years and then had another physician take them off of it (cold turkey .. BRILLIANT) and it caused a huge crash with her mentally - it was tough to see how bad taking a benzo long term can be for you ... i have experienced this as well but i took xanax as prescribe for about three days straight then said "eff this i feel like a zombie" and the next few days after my baseline for anxiety had been heightening by the drug .. so i was always on edge (even though that state lasted only for a few days it was a shitty edgy feeling) ...

Kind of off topic to your post but kinda not ...  Anyway I agree with you and would like to hear more from others.  I think its really great to see all the feedback and how some have tried macro vs micro and the benefits they have gained from each.


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I highly recommend the youtube videoby James Fedimen that someone referenced earlier.  Exactly what is being discussed here but with results from a study.  Haven't finished yet but have not heard a single negative which seems to be the case with posts here as well.


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I highly recommend the youtube videoby James Fedimen that someone referenced earlier.  Exactly what is being discussed here but with results from a study.  Haven't finished yet but have not heard a single negative which seems to be the case with posts here as well.





Good to know.  I must have missed the reference to him earlier but will look for him today on youtube.


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I highly recommend the youtube videoby James Fedimen that someone referenced earlier.  Exactly what is being discussed here but with results from a study.  Haven't finished yet but have not heard a single negative which seems to be the case with posts here as well.




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I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself




Find this interesting considering I've used orange juice to bring me back to "normal" 4 many years.

Lemon brings u up
Orange down??

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I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself




Find this interesting considering I've used orange juice to bring me back to "normal" 4 many years.

Lemon brings u up
Orange down??

Both citrus?! Go figure x



I’ve stopped using l3mon recently because of a spate of intense unenjoyble trips. But when the going was good, once had run out of lemon juice so used orange juice instead in the tea; I still tripped as per with lemon juice, but the come up was completely different to the come up with orange. Can’t explain it any other way than it was different. But I still “come up”, big time.


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    #26709743 - 05/31/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Woah crazy

When i first started with mushrooms i had nothing but fabulous trips

Some very powerful and intense but always magical

One day i smoked some dmt and was never the same

Had my first bad and difficult ezperience then had a bad one with mushrooms after that and then ever since mushrooms can be a bit hit or miss on how i feel afterward

No going back though eh

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