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heatlessbbq
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I know nothing of the subject on microdosing psilocybin. I do, have a leisure for taking microdoses of LSD.
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
#25428816 - 09/01/18 03:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeeeah… The thing about that is, for me, I can't justify using some synthetic bullshit like LSD without feeling like I'm just on drugs. People have incorporated psilocybin mushroom into their diets FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS! I can get onboard with that.
This is basically my philosophy towards all drugs.
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Not hating or anything. I don't like big pharma drugs either. No judgement here.
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heatlessbbq
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Lion of Ragnarok said: Yeeeah… The thing about that is, for me, I can't justify using some synthetic bullshit like LSD without feeling like I'm just on drugs. People have incorporated psilocybin mushroom into their diets FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS! I can get onboard with that.
This is basically my philosophy towards all drugs.
Seeing as LSD isn't even 100 years old yet... It leaves One to question why it was discovered in one of the most important times in the world's history.
If LSD is freaking You out, Mate... Take a smaller dosage, by golly.
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
#25428845 - 09/01/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not about freaking out or anything like that. It's just the shit like cannabis, mushrooms, cactus, etc. are ALL-NATURAL! That simply makes sense to me.
lol "Freak out" xD… Bro, I've held hands with the fucking Devil himself, and loved every second of it.
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heatlessbbq
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Lion of Ragnarok said: It's not about freaking out or anything like that. It's just the shit like cannabis, mushrooms, cactus, etc. are ALL-NATURAL! That simply makes sense to me.
lol "Freak out" xD… Bro, I've held hands with the fucking Devil himself, and loved every second of it.
Ohhh!!! One of those "all-natural" bloaks, are Yeh?
If You ever decide to eat LSD, I will most certainly be seeing You on the other side, man.
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
#25428931 - 09/01/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds good, my dude. Cheers!
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mt cleverest
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Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: mt cleverest]
#25429184 - 09/01/18 06:42 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane
For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.
When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.
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Mr.spores
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Thanks for the reply. Hmmm a debate got going sorry I mist it. I would just like to say nobody wants to be on medication lik ssri or any of the others anti depressant medication because they truly fuck your shit up causing much more than just depression.
If u want to trust a doctors opinion of how u can get better than ur happiness is in his hands. Take bake ur life, educate ur self and treat yourself it's ur body.
If a little mushroom or what ever it is that make life easier and mabyhave fun again is what u need then take it and don't worry. Help yourself
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Proton_California
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Mr.spores said: Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?
B+ cubensis currently, although I am interested in experimenting with Panaeolus cyansescens. I've read reports of even greater results with those.
5 days on, 2 days off. Dose range of .3 to .7 dried grams.
Keep in mind, however, it's only been three weeks. I'm still testing the waters, so to speak.
Thank you for sharing!
So are you just taking the small dose in the morning prior to starting your day? Are you redosing midday?
I personally have only taken mushrooms recreationally in college maybe 12 or so times and it was always fun ... but that was years ago. Currently, I have microdised a few times but it has been with premade chocolates and I am unsure of the true dose content (allegedly the bar has 8g and I usually take 1/4 of the bar... then another 1/4)
I have noticed the next few days after I am much more appreciative of friends and family and much more patient in daily life.
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Proton_California
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
#25430361 - 09/02/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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feevers said:
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mt cleverest said: Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane
For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.
When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.
Thats my understanding as well ...
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cognitivebias
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I've had severe treatment-resistand for 40 years. Tried over 30 meds, nothing worked. I recently started using psilocybin and it changed everything. I do 5g once a week, after trying various doses and frequency.
-------------------- "Freud thought that a psychosis was a waking dream, and that poets were daydreamers too, but I wonder if the reverse is not as often true, and that madness is a fiction lived in like a rented house" — William H. Gass
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
#25430632 - 09/02/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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cognitivebias said: I've had severe treatment-resistand for 40 years. Tried over 30 meds, nothing worked. I recently started using psilocybin and it changed everything. I do 5g once a week, after trying various doses and frequency.
Thanks for sharing.
How long have you been using this system?
What kind of changes have you seen within yourself?
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cognitivebias
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Just started this year, about 4 months ago. I started off micro/mini dosing, I found it was good for fixing problems with your life, analyzing relationships and behavior, etc. Most of the improvements were actually life improvements I was just able to see more easily.
I slowly went up in dose, experimented with various doses at various intervals. I found on 4g+, my depression would go into remission, but only for a week or so.
Sometimes, I take a smaller dose halfway through the week, and then bump up the next dose due to tolerance.
I still have seen sympts, it's not 100% gone, but considering I got no relief from 30+ medications, it's something.
I also tried ketamine, it didn't cure my depression, but it enabled me to write again (for about three days afterwards) for the first time in many years, which the mushrooms haven't done yet.
-------------------- "Freud thought that a psychosis was a waking dream, and that poets were daydreamers too, but I wonder if the reverse is not as often true, and that madness is a fiction lived in like a rented house" — William H. Gass
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
#25431025 - 09/02/18 03:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm. I'm a little confused. Would you mind elaborating on your dosing schedule (and also anything else in general)?
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cognitivebias
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4-5g once a week, let's say on Sunday. Rarely, I dose 2-3g on, say Wednesday. If I do this, I add another gram onto my next dose to make up for tolerance.
I am hoping that someday, the depression won't come back, and I won't need any, or I can just microdose, but this is the regimen I've found works for me. But again, I have had extremely severe treatment-resistant depression my whole life.
-------------------- "Freud thought that a psychosis was a waking dream, and that poets were daydreamers too, but I wonder if the reverse is not as often true, and that madness is a fiction lived in like a rented house" — William H. Gass
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
#25431122 - 09/02/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was kinda doing the same for a while, but ultimately came to microdosing. Why'd you switch?
This is something I'm highly interested in, obviously. I could sit here and ask questions all day, but I'll try not to. lol
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cognitivebias
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I would honestly be typing way more if I wasn't on my phone, haha.
I honestly just kept messing around with dosages and schedules until I found one that worked. I find it's more "continuous therapy" than the research MAPS has done where it's one large dose.
What I'm hoping happens is that I will reach a point where I can just microdose.
-------------------- "Freud thought that a psychosis was a waking dream, and that poets were daydreamers too, but I wonder if the reverse is not as often true, and that madness is a fiction lived in like a rented house" — William H. Gass
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Lion of Ragnarok
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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
#25431152 - 09/02/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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cognitivebias said:I find it's more "continuous therapy" than the research MAPS has done where it's one large dose.
Yes, dude! Exactly! This notion that you have this one, breakthrough trip, then everything is magically healed, is folley. I'm not saying people don't have these experiences to some extent, but you have to continually make trips back to the well. It's like therapy. It takes time and effort to work through shit.
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cognitivebias said:What I'm hoping happens is that I will reach a point where I can just microdose.
Well, perhaps we are both on the right track. Maybe it doesn't have to be one way or the other, black and white. Maybe a fusion of these approaches is ideal.
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