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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428403 - 09/01/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It might be more beneficial to look at "treating depression" instead as cultivating a better mind state.

Ingesting a chemical will not do that for you. It may work temporarily, but will require increasing doseages and will most likely fall to baseline when you stop ingesting the chemical.

Mushrooms can certainly help you to achieve a better mind state, but it may involve some creativity based upon your individual needs, and work on your part outside of simply eating some fungus.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428496 - 09/01/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Lion of Ragnarok said:
I mean, did even you read my posts?

Well, thanks anyway Dr. Drew, you presumptuous douche.  Go fuck yourself.



I wasn't referencing your posts, just generally replying to OP's question, as can be implied by the fact I didn't quote anyone. If anything, my post was agreeing with your previous one.

See you in the "Cure misplaced anger by eating magic mushrooms" thread. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428514 - 09/01/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Consider why current research agrees that SSRI's work best when paired with psychotherapy or other therapeutic techniques, and my original post shouldn't be too hard to follow.

Not sure how or why it offends you.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25428742 - 09/01/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: heatlessbbq]
    #25428761 - 09/01/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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feevers said:
Suggesting to someone who is likely suffering from mental illness that ingesting a psychedelic drug will not cure them is "stupid and irresponsible"? 

Psychedelics + some form of individualized self improvement or therapy has the potential to be the best treatment available for various mental health ailments.

Taking a micro dose of psychedelics and going about your day might help someone who's got "the blues", but someone with serious problems would likely be better served taking the problem seriously, and implementing psychedelics as a tool instead of a stand-alone treatment. Essentially, that's all I'm saying.

You say microdosing has led you to improvements in openness and irritability, all I'm suggesting is that a proper hollistic and targeted form of working with psychedelics for three weeks could likely leave someone past the point where they resort to internet rage and name calling. :shrug:



Microdosing, there is a lot less likely chance One will have to visit the mental hospital if One microdoses; compared to higher dosage/s of psychedelics.




I never said anything against microdosing, and never mentioned higher doses.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: mt cleverest]
    #25429184 - 09/01/18 06:42 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane



For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.

When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Mr.spores] * 1
    #25432422 - 09/03/18 08:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.



Here's my somewhat in-depth account of treating myself using psilocybin:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25157269

Everyone's different, some may benefit more from micro doses, some from large doses. Some people might benefit more from a "bad" trip than a good one.


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