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Microdosing & Depression Treatment
    #25403478 - 08/21/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone have any experience or information on using mushrooms for this purpose?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: BondVillain]
    #25424345 - 08/30/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a recent podcast that addresses the topic:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswkdk

They talk about 'micro dosing' but suggested that treating depression and other mental illness required larger doses.






Thanks!!


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Lion of Ragnarok]
    #25430353 - 09/02/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds great man I'm happy for you. What mushroom are u micro dossing? And how frequently every day or 2 3 times a week?




B+ cubensis currently, although I am interested in experimenting with Panaeolus cyansescens.  I've read reports of even greater results with those.

5 days on, 2 days off.  Dose range of .3 to .7 dried grams.

Keep in mind, however, it's only been three weeks.  I'm still testing the waters, so to speak.






Thank you for sharing!

So are you just taking the small dose in the morning prior to starting your day?  Are you redosing midday?

I personally have only taken mushrooms recreationally in college maybe 12 or so times and it was always fun ... but that was years ago.  Currently, I have microdised a few times but it has been with premade chocolates and I am unsure of the true dose content (allegedly the bar has 8g and I usually take 1/4 of the bar... then another 1/4)

I have noticed the next few days after I am much more appreciative of friends and family and much more patient in daily life.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25430361 - 09/02/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
Paul Stamets suggests 5 days on 2 days off .1g w/ lions mane



For depression? I thought the "stamets stack", which also includes niacin, was more for neurogenesis, both PNS and CNS.

When it comes to neurogenesis, I don't see the need for off days with psilocybin as it's not shown that tolerance decreases the BDNF effect. If anything I'd take a light MAOI, such as passion flower, with it multiple days a week to extend the effective time. Also wouldn't have off days with the lions mane, previous studies with it used daily doses with a tremendous increase in re-myelination, I believe even in the brain which is extremely rare.




Thats my understanding as well ...


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: cognitivebias]
    #25430632 - 09/02/18 12:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had severe treatment-resistand for 40 years. Tried over 30 meds, nothing worked. I recently started using psilocybin and it changed everything. I do 5g once a week, after trying various doses and frequency.




Thanks for sharing.

How long have you been using this system?

What kind of changes have you seen within yourself?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: feevers]
    #25432579 - 09/03/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So do ya think a large dose would treat depression symptoms just as good or better than micro dossing??

Lik in a depressed state feeling shit as shit can be, I'm sour a lot of people here have experience with depression, would u still at a low point ingest 4 to 5 grams of shrooms and actually have a magical trip? I couldn't build the courage even dow it would be some way to break that feeling.

Very interesting posts thanks for sharing dudes.



Here's my somewhat in-depth account of treating myself using psilocybin:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25157269

Everyone's different, some may benefit more from micro doses, some from large doses. Some people might benefit more from a "bad" trip than a good one.






Thanks for sharing

Appreciate all the responses


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Maldozer]
    #25465100 - 09/16/18 05:09 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't speak for mushrooms but I have a good amount of experience with microdosing mescaline for depression/general & social anxiety starting in 2015. I've tried different frequency patterns and dosages (at one point I microdosed ~40mg white HCL extract everyday for around 4 weeks straight - don't do this) with all sorts of positive and negative effects. At the peak of experience I felt absolutely amazing everyday and like a totally different person - literally the happiest i've been in my entire life. But I've also over indulged and felt sick/poisoned and on the verge of insanity at my low points. Overall, if done correctly the results can be enormous. The effects are only temporary though which should be expected - just like if you stop taking any other anti-depressant. These days I just occasionally eat some good bridgesii because its easy and can feel just as good as an HCL extract. SS02 is a very good material at 30-40g fresh which I found out last week :smile:

Edit: I forgot to mention that regular physical exercise greatly increases the positive effects of microdosing.






Great info!

So if you were to construct a protocol what would it look like?

I am interested in learning more about your dose / freq / and other factors during the phase when you felt like the microdose was very effective


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: audiosnipez]
    #25485965 - 09/24/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I was thinking there would be a tolerance issue but I guess not. I really wish there was professional research on this because every source says something different.  Personally I think I am going to start with .2 grams twice a week for 2 months.





same here


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: fluorescent]
    #25486234 - 09/24/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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My initial foray into mushrooms was for the express purpose of alleviating severe, persistent depression. It worked amazingly well. I have been able to go several months before feeling like it was time for another reset. I didn't play around with the doses; first time and lowest dose was 35g wet, largest was 7g dry. The first time produced only happiness and relief, while the larger doses were very cathartic.

My last serious dose (5g dry) was back in July. For a few weeks now, I've been microdosing twice a week. I started out with approx 250mg capsules, but quickly discovered it was more than I wanted for a microdose. I moved to a smaller capsule, and now take right at 100mg. It's enough to feel, but completely manageable. I'm also stacking Lion's Mane and C. militaris.

My plan is to continue microdosing, and to also take large doses intermittently.





i was hoping someone would discuss the benefits of lions mane... is it that beneficial?

also - in regards to your intial dosage... are you taking that at once or taking the (for example 7 g) over a few hours ?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: fluorescent]
    #25486451 - 09/24/18 07:34 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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For me the lion's mane has been worth it. I can't quantify it, but I perceive that my thoughts are generally clearer and my brain seems to be a little quicker -- both welcome things in a brain that has been abused by depression, migraines, and sleep apnea!

When I take a serious dose, it's all at once. On my very first trip, I did part lemon tekked and ate the rest over a period of just a few minutes. The rest of the times have been all at once (lemon tekked, chugged).





What are your lion doses and frequency?

I had a sleep disorder that was undiagnosed for years and i am still adjusting to "normal" sleep cycles but i believe that chronic isses with sleep quality over years and years for sure affected my neurotransmitters and overall mood

also - whats lemon tekk?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: BoVine]
    #25487365 - 09/25/18 07:14 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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BoVine said:
I find this thread fascinating because I am working on something similar. 

My history is that I have been on fluoxetine, an SSRI for 25 years now.  It has been effective at treating my depression and OCD symptoms.  But I have never been happy with the side effects.  Over the years I have weaned myself down at times, trying to get off of it.  But the depression always came back and negatively impacted my life. Then I would go back to my regular dose of 80mg, which is pretty high for this drug.

After reading a lot about the positive effects that psilocybin can have on depression, I have been interested to give it a try.  So, I am back to weaning myself down off of the fluoxetine.  So far I am feeling fine.  I am closely monitoring my moods with a phone app so that I don't slip slowly into depression without noticing.

Just knowing that I may have an all natural substitute for the fluoxetine has been keeping me pretty upbeat and inspired.  I am holding out hope that I will finally be able to be free of that drug once and for all.  My depression tends to be episodic and not chronic.  So I hope that I will be able to go months without anything, and then just occasionally microdose for a while or take a trip a couple times a year.

If my first grow bears fruit, then I will likely have mushrooms available before I have completely weaned myself off of the fluoxetine.  I will probably experiment with small microdoses even if I am not completely off of the fluoxetine.  If I notice nothing, then I will save the rest for when I am completely weaned.

So that is where I am at.  I will let you all know how things go.





Thats great news!  Keep us posted.  Sending positive vibes your way! 

Thanks for sharing


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: BondVillain]
    #25491627 - 09/26/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone had experience using the "third wave" microdosing protocol? A mushroom guide just recommended this site to me.

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/






Have you looked into this?  It seems they charge 150 to download their microdosing schedule


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Enkidu]
    #25492655 - 09/27/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Also I've done it as frequently as everyday for a month with big doses mixed in and no tolerance noticable.

Also you don't need any studies...

You rely too much on others if you do.

Everyone is different for starters, we all need something different and at different times.

There is no "do it this way and your depression is cured"

You need to eat the mushrooms and listen ymto yourself.

Do what you feel is right, when you feel it is right. Trust yourself and the mushrooms. Just eat them and listen.

Also lemon tek is grinding your cubes and then squeezing fresh lemon juice on top and storing for 15 min then downing.

I wouldn't recommend it.

I did it back when I couldn't get mushrooms when I wanted and was trying to get the most bang from what I had.

Imo there's no reason to do it besides of you have less than your desired dose and want to try to intensify it.

But then imo tea is better for that anyway




How would lemon juice intensity this?  Doesnt sound logical

Also - what is the micro dosage for wet mushrooms?


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: motifaded]
    #25494104 - 09/27/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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motifaded said:
+++ This post is excellent material. Something i have been researching for a long time, but always skeptical about who i listen too... But so many people sharing the same positive results is inspiring !





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Same here ... the response has been amazing


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: fluorescent]
    #25497758 - 09/29/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I would recommend you dry before microdosing.

The lemon breaks down the mushrooms before it enters your stomach so your stomach doesn't have as much work to do.

Some say it converts psilocin to pscilocybin or the other way around, idr.

Ime it does intensify it, I just don't like it myself




I agree about drying. I guess you could microdose with fresh, but it's so much more convenient to dry them, grind them into a fine powder, then put the powder into capsules. Furthermore, if you dry it and powder it, your active dosage is going to be more consistent.

I'm not sure there's what you'd call settled science on what the lemon does, but I will tell you it intensifies it.




I figured this to be the case.  Thank you


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25548047 - 10/18/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Shrrrooms said:
Fantastic thread!  I'm sorry to see it has died out since longer term results would be great to hear.  Can the prior participants give us updates on whether this is still working for them?  I would also be very curious whether anyone has transitioned to microdosing after just a few day off antidepressants or Ativan.




Just my 2 cents but i would assume the transition off of Ativan would be fairly quick since its  a short-acting drug in terms of half life?  Although i will say i had a family member that was put on Klonopin daily and took it for 7 years and then had another physician take them off of it (cold turkey .. BRILLIANT) and it caused a huge crash with her mentally - it was tough to see how bad taking a benzo long term can be for you ... i have experienced this as well but i took xanax as prescribe for about three days straight then said "eff this i feel like a zombie" and the next few days after my baseline for anxiety had been heightening by the drug .. so i was always on edge (even though that state lasted only for a few days it was a shitty edgy feeling) ...

Kind of off topic to your post but kinda not ...  Anyway I agree with you and would like to hear more from others.  I think its really great to see all the feedback and how some have tried macro vs micro and the benefits they have gained from each.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25549845 - 10/19/18 10:27 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I highly recommend the youtube videoby James Fedimen that someone referenced earlier.  Exactly what is being discussed here but with results from a study.  Haven't finished yet but have not heard a single negative which seems to be the case with posts here as well.





Good to know.  I must have missed the reference to him earlier but will look for him today on youtube.


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Re: Microdosing & Depression Treatment [Re: Shrrrooms]
    #25555295 - 10/21/18 11:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I highly recommend the youtube videoby James Fedimen that someone referenced earlier.  Exactly what is being discussed here but with results from a study.  Haven't finished yet but have not heard a single negative which seems to be the case with posts here as well.




tuned into a few podcasts hes on on Youtube :thumbup:


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