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ZippoZ
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panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence
#2537719 - 04/08/04 12:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is a theory that has been brewing for quite some time. suppose youre sitting in your house and the police knock down your door about to raid your grow room. in 20 seconds they'll be in your grow room and seising your grow.
now consider this option. wire your growroom with a remotely activated torching system that sets fire to your grow at a touch of a button, from live and healthy to dead and un saveable in a matter of seconds. Note: in the U.S. for you to be busted for cult of mushroms, they have to prove that whatever was seised( i.e. jars of substrate casings whatever) can and will grow mushrooms. to prove this they actually take what they seised and fruit it and extract the illegal chemicals. ( this was the case with the psilocybe fanaticus trial ) and thermal death limits are at 106. i might also add that these high temps will destroy any illegal psiloc(yb)in.
this it isnt too far fetched. remote controlled fireplaces allready exist, some with remotes that operate on a raido frequencys, not infared which can transmit between walls allthrough the house. these could easily be modified
you would have to insulate so that the rest of the house wasn't burned down and provide a constant air exchange so that the fire dosent run out of oxygen
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2537945 - 04/08/04 01:19 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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is arsen worse then mush cult? I think in home incerators would not be cool in the cops eye's
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Dreamer987
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: baraka]
#2537955 - 04/08/04 01:24 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can't arson your own property. Unless you are fucking around with insurance companys. You can burn whatever you want. Since when was an incenerator illeagle?
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2538307 - 04/08/04 06:18 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im sure they would take pictures of the burned up pot plants and burned up shrooms, show that to the jury and judge and tack on 5 years for tampering with evidence
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2538388 - 04/08/04 07:27 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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> you can't arson your own property
Not what the police told one of my college buddys when he burned a couch in his front yard, as they led him away in handcuffs. Of course, was in the city; violated some city law... probably safe if you are in the country.
It is illegal in the US to booby trap your own property. They are worried that emergency responders might be called while you are away (or down) and set off the traps.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: Seuss]
#2538554 - 04/08/04 09:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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*nod* The most common form of arson involves insurance fraud wherein people burn their own property down to collect insurance money.
However, if you had a gas fireplace that you normally didn't use and set up your stuff in there, you're two steps ahead already and decrease the fire risk considerably.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: valour]
#2538669 - 04/08/04 09:57 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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This topic comes up from time to time....
One of the best, less dangerous, yet most expensive ideas I heard was....
Have a room where you grow and setup a sprinkler system in the celling of that room.
But instead of water, it sprays down liquid nitrogen!
The room fills up, everything becomes too fragile to handle and it breaks.
I have NO IDEA if it would work, but its a little safer than setting your place a blaze!
Lana
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2539814 - 04/08/04 03:11 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, assuming that they would have to prove that the substance would have produced salable mushroom tissue, one could destroy the ability of the substrate to do so by the heavy application of a highly acidic/basic colution. All you'd have to do is rig a sprinkler system in the trays/growchamber/whatever, and set that to your radio remote. It'd be my guess that drowning, acid/base burned mycellium would NOT fruit. Then, you warn them about the caustic nature of the substances, and you may be in the clear. Might not work so well for LARGE grows, but hell, it's an idea, and it'd be cheap. Coupla gallons of muratic acid, diluted bout half, then set into a pvc piping sprikler system would do it.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2539864 - 04/08/04 03:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be prepared to dish out some money.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: TinMan]
#2539939 - 04/08/04 03:38 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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check it out. If you really wanted to be safe. All you gotta do is have a growroom attended 24-7 by a few different residents of the house, taking shifts. Attach hidden cameras to the front door, and door outside growroom. Have motion sensors set to beep, and alert growroom attendant to possible policia. If the doors are heavily fortified, that should give attendant enouph time to throw all evidence into some sourt of homeade incenerator. It can't be that hard. Just build it out in a field and use trial and error untill you get something safe, and effective. Like a strong bbq pit type of thing, with the bottom lined with magnesium/gunpowder. While they would know exactly what was going on they couldn't bust you for an empty growroom, and an ashfilled incenerator right?
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ZippoZ
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: Dreamer987]
#2540084 - 04/08/04 04:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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there are some very good ideas in this thread as to the destruction of evidence. perhaps one could have an incenerator rigged up on the end of ones grow room, and have some sort of motor push all of the evidence into the incenerator, which could be kept running constantly
as for this "It is illegal in the US to booby trap your own property. They are worried that emergency responders might be called while you are away (or down) and set off the traps. "
there is a law that involves this subject. somthing along the lines of Will to malice. basically if you intend for someone to get hurt in the process, or have knowledge that someone will be hurt then criminal charges can be filed against you for any harm caused by your contraption.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2540736 - 04/08/04 07:06 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to have a panic button on my comp before it crashed, for sensitive files. It was just a batch file I made, set up to delete everything incriminating in a matter of seconds. Always thought it was a cool idea, never bothered to make a new one after the great HD crash though. As for a panic button to destroy a whole room......I'd rather spend the money on a lawyer, it'll accomplish a lot more.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
#2540892 - 04/08/04 07:46 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Conspiracy to manufacture. I'm pretty sure it applies to any illicit drug.
In methamphetamine manufacture you don't actually have to have any of the drug synthed or have all the precursors to produce it. If they can prove you where planning on producing it they can get you with conspiracy to manufacture.
Perhaps a lesser sentence but still a felony.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: newuser1492]
#2540934 - 04/08/04 08:02 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, thats my point sort of. If they raid your house and find a torched or otherwise destroyed room.....your still getting in trouble. The money you spent setting up that panic system would be better off spent on a lawyer, in my opnion. Or a security system, cameras and the such.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
#2542638 - 04/09/04 08:01 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting thread...
I'm kind of "on the fence" with some of the ideas. I know that booby trapping your house can get you into trouble. Thats a known law in all states. And setting a room on fire or being prosecuted for conspiracy to manufacture, in my opinion, would get a lighter sentancing than actual manufacturing/distribution charges.
So I do agree that a good security system is great, but a good lawyer is possibly even better.
I've read some posts over at www.overgrow.com about some grow room setups. Many growers there use digital, remote setups.
If you have a few acres of land, growing underground is easy to do.
Lana
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2542888 - 04/09/04 09:33 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can do it ghetto without all the saftey stuff and just say it was an accident, burn the fuck out of the shit probably take the whole house with it to but i'd rather be homeless than in jail for 25years, that's what i would do in a running lab, say you were developing photos and smoking or something. dunno about mush grows though, it really is unnessary if you kept your fuckin mouth shut. i mean all you gotta do is be smart and no one will know and not be selling to everyone let a TRUSTED friend take care of it also don't have any traffic at you grow location. it's not like a lab where even if you tell no one you can still get caught by how you accurire the chemicals and also the smell. same with pot easier to get caught than mush cuz of the lighting required and also the smell with larger grows.
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: John]
#2549872 - 04/12/04 01:05 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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just read a thread at overgrow where this guy put a row of steel pipes parralel to his front door that had layers of wood and chain link fence behind it, it was removeable and built right into the foundation of his house and when he was home with drugs and money he simply slid it into place, so when the day came he was raided, it took the cops over an hour and a half to get in in which time he simply SMOKED all his remaining evidence!
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: beanchild]
#2549885 - 04/12/04 01:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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another thread at overgorw tells a story of a grower who had dug several tunnels from his base ment , most leading to no where and narrowed to a point where it was nearly impossible to turn around, he was raided due to neighbor complaints of smell{ over 1000 plants} and escaped through one of his many tunnels into the city's sewer dept avoiding a 20+ year sentence! i'll search for the link!
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ZippoZ
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2551829 - 04/12/04 04:00 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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awewsome!
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zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: panic button system: A controlled burn of evidence [Re: ZippoZ]
#2559636 - 04/14/04 02:14 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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why not just convert a fireplace into a crowchamber have one of those metal curtains in front with a steel plate for a door thats panted black to be less noticeable. Have a natural gas line ran to it riged it to fire by remote.
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