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 foragedfungus
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 Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi 
#25355776 - 07/30/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cicada infecting fungal parasites in the genus Massospora found to contain psilocybin, norbaeocystin, baeocystin and cathinone.
Research paper- https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/07/24/375105.full.pdf+html
https://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/2013/02/19/flying-salt-shakers-of-death/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/07/massospora-parasite-drugs-its-hosts/566324/?utm_source=twb
"....And a year later, a colleague supplemented this collection with infected banger-wing cicadas—a different species that emerges annually.
Greg Boyce, a member of Kasson’s team, looked at all the chemicals found in the white fungal plugs of the various cicadas. And to his shock, he found that the banger-wings were loaded with psilocybin—the potent hallucinogen found in magic mushrooms. “At first, I thought: There’s absolutely no way,” he says. “It seemed impossible.” After all, no one has ever detected psilocybin in anything other than mushrooms, and those fungi have been evolving separately from Massospora for around 900 million years.
The surprises didn’t stop there. “I remember looking over at Greg one night and he had a strange look on his face,” Kasson recalls. “He said, ‘Have you ever heard of cathinone?’” Kasson hadn’t, but a quick search revealed that it’s an amphetamine. It had never been found in a fungus before. Indeed, it was known only from the khat plant that has long been chewed by people from the Middle East and the Horn of Africa. But apparently, cathinone is also produced by Massaspora....."
"...I asked Kasson if it’s possible to get high by eating Massospora-infected cicadas. Surprisingly, he didn’t say no. “Based on the ones we looked at, it would probably take a dozen or more,” he said. But it’s possible that earlier in the infections, before the conspicuous saltshaker stage, the fungus might pump out higher concentrations of these chemicals.... "
Edited by foragedfungus (07/30/18 11:50 AM)
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 Thesunbeam
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: foragedfungus]
#25355812 - 07/30/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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That’s is truly an amazing discovery! I just thinking about how incredible the world realy is.
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Thesunbeam
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Thesunbeam]
#25355817 - 07/30/18 12:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn I fuckin love science
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Thesunbeam]
#25378755 - 08/10/18 02:46 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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After reading this, I have no doubt that someone, somewhere is gonna try getting high of those Cicadas
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Thesunbeam
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Hell if someone would send me some I’ll do it....FOR SCIENCE
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Freedom4all
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Thesunbeam]
#25383797 - 08/12/18 02:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Finds like this remind us of how little we know and how much more we truly have to learn. We will never everything because everything is ever-changing. I love nature and find it so interesting. If only I would of majored in some sort of biology. 
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Solipsis
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Freedom4all]
#25446711 - 09/09/18 05:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amazing! next discovery: cicadas surface every 17 years in order to tweak & trip balls (and die)
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Entersandman
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Solipsis]
#25447736 - 09/09/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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anyone found this fungus by "accident"? 
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Solipsis
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Entersandman]
#25459625 - 09/14/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder if this suggests parallel evolution or more like a common ancestor?
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proxzy
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Solipsis]
#25481857 - 09/22/18 10:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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My question would be what role does psilocybin play in the role of this parasitic fungi's evolution and why do some fungi in general contain the compound. I can only draw the conclusion that it somehow aided in the survival of the organism in one way shape or form currently or previously in it's evolution. Unfortunately there is no solid answer to that yet. Perhaps that will answer both of our questions Solipsis one day.
Stoner tinfoil hat moment: What if the aliens designed them to produce psilocybin to get us to propagate the species to force feed us knowledge and turn the tides because aliens are actually us from the future trying to improve their current reality
My above statement obviously belongs nowhere near advanced mycology lol
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: proxzy]
#25482355 - 09/23/18 06:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would guess cicadas have some sort of serotonin receptor in their gut/intestine.
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Kizzle
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: bodhisatta]
#25489531 - 09/26/18 12:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said:
I would guess cicadas have some sort of serotonin receptor in their gut/intestine.
Seems most animals do. I've long wondered if that's part of the advantage psilocybin gives with all the dung loving mushroom species. Maybe it changes the digestion so the dung is more favorable to mushroom growth or so the spores are more likely to survive digestion.
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drake89
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Kizzle]
#25495104 - 09/28/18 07:57 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Idk where you're going with that idea as ruminants use microbes to digest grasses. ..
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Kizzle
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: drake89]
#25497267 - 09/29/18 01:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
drake89 said:
Idk where you're going with that idea as ruminants use microbes to digest grasses. ..
Question is, can that gobbled up mycelium in the mushroom or the mushroom spores survive with all those microbes in that hostile anaeorbic environment? Can the effect of psilocybin on the gut somehow change the conditions to help them do so?
It'd be quite an advantage if they could survive and start growing as soon as conditions turned favorable. Even if it just caused a slight change in pH or something, that might have a significant effect on survivability.
For what it's worth Psilocybe cubensis is listed as a coprophilous fungus here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilous_fungi
There's also been lots of claims about feeding spores to animals to find mushrooms on the manure but I have yet to see anyone demonstrate this.
Edited by Kizzle (09/29/18 02:35 AM)
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foragedfungus
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Kizzle]
#25497515 - 09/29/18 07:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said:
There's also been lots of claims about feeding spores to animals to find mushrooms on the manure but I have yet to see anyone demonstrate this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25493431#25493431
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Finally seeing cubes popping up about 2yrs after I sprayed a hay bale down with spores...cows ate it and are shittin em out for me
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drake89
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: Kizzle]
#25497729 - 09/29/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said:
Quote:
drake89 said:
Idk where you're going with that idea as ruminants use microbes to digest grasses. ..
Question is, can that gobbled up mycelium in the mushroom or the mushroom spores survive with all those microbes in that hostile anaeorbic environment? Can the effect of psilocybin on the gut somehow change the conditions to help them do so?
It'd be quite an advantage if they could survive and start growing as soon as conditions turned favorable. Even if it just caused a slight change in pH or something, that might have a significant effect on survivability.
For what it's worth Psilocybe cubensis is listed as a coprophilous fungus here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilous_fungi
There's also been lots of claims about feeding spores to animals to find mushrooms on the manure but I have yet to see anyone demonstrate this.
There's evidence that all kinds of things surviving rumination. I read last week about a new herbicide that was persistent enough to survive being sprayed on a field, eaten, shat out, and composted for a year before it damaged vegetable transplants in a garden amended with said compost.
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: drake89]
#25499403 - 09/29/18 09:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Microbes on soil are very good food, the nematodes tend to perplex the rich environment and feed on the food.
Mushrooms on the other hand crave certain organics I soon to discover on my adventure with Mycology.
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Kizzle
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Re: Psilocybin found in Entomopathogenic fungi [Re: foragedfungus]
#25499870 - 09/30/18 05:29 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
foragedfungus said:
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Kizzle said:
There's also been lots of claims about feeding spores to animals to find mushrooms on the manure but I have yet to see anyone demonstrate this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25493431#25493431
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Leftfield420 said:
Finally seeing cubes popping up about 2yrs after I sprayed a hay bale down with spores...cows ate it and are shittin em out for me
That's awesome. Someone should start a campaign, do the world a favor and spray every bale of hay you see with spores. Make cow shit great again!
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