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pixelpopper
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25344125 - 07/24/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushboy said: that sub is really thin. hope your around to babysit. thin open airs can dry out hella fast.
Ya I rushed mixing it using leftover coir from a previous prep... but was already in progress so That's why I added a coir casing after it colonized
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25344126 - 07/24/18 10:27 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushboy said: sure why not?? post pics
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25344127 - 07/24/18 10:28 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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i ment after it fruits with a coir casing. but that doesnt need it unless you are open air growing(no lid)
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 Doesn't need it... And upon reading, seems vermeculite would be better anyways... coir is more susceptible to contamination bc it's nutritious
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Caps McGee said: coir is more susceptible to contamination bc it's nutritious
What?
I know what ya mean mushboy, but I believe it did need the coir based on my experience in my specific conditions with this variety over the last month... it wouldn't have needed it if I had mixed in more coir at spawn
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Caps- Why are you thinking coir is susceptible to contams? The whole reason coir is the current go to for sub mixing is because the opposite is true
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Yeah Iβve always read casing should be non nutritious such as Verm/peat and that coir was nutritious hence why we use it for spawning but I donβt know I just mix it up with coir and fruit them
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Caps McGee said: coir is more susceptible to contamination bc it's nutritious
thats not true.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25344163 - 07/24/18 10:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coir is not nutritions, altho bodh says it is
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Coir works great for casing. I prefer it over fine grade verm.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25344181 - 07/24/18 11:03 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushboy said: sure why not?? post pics

So can I late case this PE shoebox (with coir) or would it not matter at this point since blobs are already forming?
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Whether it's nutritious or not, coir on its own will completely colonize by the mushroom mycelium and essentially just be more substrate. If it's ph adjusted up with lime or some other basic material, it will be less appealing to the myc and act as a casing should...partial colonization and more of a fruiting scaffold that maintains a microclimate. Jiffy, which is often used as casing, is a mix of coir and peat along with some other things like verm and perlite and is ph'd up with lime, chalk, or oyster shell (though it's debated if the oyster shell acts soon enough to do any real ph adjusting). Casings are the soil layer above the mycelial mass and as cubes grow above the soil surface, they have no need of a casing. Stone producers, Pans and edibles like Agaricus bisporus require casings as they are often found growing in sandy or grassy areas and not of off dung or some other decomposing matter above the surface. Just my
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Mycolorado said: Whether it's nutritious or not, coir on its own will completely colonize by the mushroom mycelium and essentially just be more substrate. If it's ph adjusted up with lime or some other basic material, it will be less appealing to the myc and act as a casing should...partial colonization and more of a fruiting scaffold that maintains a microclimate. Jiffy, which is often used as casing, is a mix of coir and peat along with some other things like verm and perlite and is ph'd up with lime, chalk, or oyster shell (though it's debated if the oyster shell acts soon enough to do any real ph adjusting). Casings are the soil layer above the mycelial mass and as cubes grow above the soil surface, they have no need of a casing. Stone producers, Pans and edibles like Agaricus bisporus require casings as they are often found growing in sandy or grassy areas and not of off dung or some other decomposing matter above the surface. Just my 
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How much lime do people usually add to jiffy? Iβve seen franks thread and it says the amount of gypsum I believe but noting about the amount of lime. Is that because like is already a part of jiffy mix?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25344204 - 07/24/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think"more susceptible to contaminant"was referring in comparison to verm and peat...here's the thread i read...Seems there's conflicting information available... I've used it with success...
It's fairly humid where I'm at right now, so not been casing at all
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25344215 - 07/24/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Legend21 said: How much lime do people usually add to jiffy? Iβve seen franks thread and it says the amount of gypsum I believe but noting about the amount of lime. Is that because like is already a part of jiffy mix?
Ph may not need adjusted... and with gypsum, probably not needed (ph buffer)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25344224 - 07/24/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I go a tsp of lime per cup of casing, which I gleaned off this site somewhere. I've read that jiffy is already ph balanced, but my guess is that it's balanced to 6-7 which is slightly acidic to neutral. Peat is acidic, so any lime already in Jiffy would likely be to bring it up to that 6-7 range for plants. IIRC, mycelium likes a ph on the acidic side so you'd want to get it up above 7.
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Poor shoebox got the trich, spawned it on 3rd and 3 days ago saw the nice pinset comming in and left the cover on. Yesterday I saw em getting a bit tall and lanky so I popped the top for more FAE and,,,,,,,  
Right on the side was a big old flush of fluffy white with some green starting.
Clipped all the mushies on the boarder then dug out the area. Not like it is gonna cure anything but wanted to give some time for the rest to get bigger before I toss it. I could even feel the unusually high heat through my glove as I dug the heart of the infestation out.
Put the poor fellas out in the garage and will harvest what I can tomorrow. Even after 24 hours the trich is recovering in the hole and fluffing out. Guess it is called, "The green monster", for a reason.  Kinda bummed because it was looking like one hell of a flush but then again the contam could have been why.
I'm figuring it came from two sources, got two other shoeboxes spawned on the same day, growing in the same area and they are ok. I have a unfinished deck and it has some green tinge on the railing. I'm thinking after putting my hand on the railing then going to my room to do some maintenance I got some spores from my hand on the towel I used to dab up the pooling water around the edges. Or when moving them to hide em from the repair men, a rouge spore flew in under the cover. It clearly appears it started on the side.
Moral of the story,,, Thankfully this was a shoebox and not a sizable tub. Loven the shoeboxes more now because of this indecent.
Guess it will be time to drown my sorrow in tea tomorrow.
Didn't get a picture before the excavation but here is two after.

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I don't think introduction after spawning, and especially after pins, would cause this type of infection... probably in your spawn
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Mycolorado said: Whether it's nutritious or not, coir on its own will completely colonize by the mushroom mycelium and essentially just be more substrate. If it's ph adjusted up with lime or some other basic material, it will be less appealing to the myc and act as a casing should...partial colonization and more of a fruiting scaffold that maintains a microclimate. Jiffy, which is often used as casing, is a mix of coir and peat along with some other things like verm and perlite and is ph'd up with lime, chalk, or oyster shell (though it's debated if the oyster shell acts soon enough to do any real ph adjusting). Casings are the soil layer above the mycelial mass and as cubes grow above the soil surface, they have no need of a casing. Stone producers, Pans and edibles like Agaricus bisporus require casings as they are often found growing in sandy or grassy areas and not of off dung or some other decomposing matter above the surface. Just my 
Would you recommend using a casing for Albino Penis Envy's, or do you think its not necessary?
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