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Re: Coca growers [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25343901 - 07/24/18 07:53 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing strange with those Erythroxylum seedlings
Maybe little pale, should be more greener, little darker i think.
But otherwise just coca seedlings.
Maybe needs iron?

Why you ask, something wrong with them?


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25343977 - 07/24/18 08:54 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

They should be novo var truxillense but you are suspecting they are a different species or variety, ferrel? E. coca you think cause of how pointy a lot of leaves are (some almost seem weirdly ovate by the way), and also the false but conspicuous midrib would suggest coca or ipadu?

https://pubag.nal.usda.gov/download/48790/PDF

Confusingly tho, here coca is not depicted pointy at all.. also this says trux should have a pretty slim pointy petiole area making the leaf shape somewhat obovate??

They look good to me tho. :smile:

My 4 novo's are doing ok, I think it was a good move to top em some - now I get shoots from various places and my best growing plant was also going more bushy with success.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #25344251 - 07/24/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I have e.coca and the leaves look like that.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25344370 - 07/24/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think it looks like Truxillence, and im pretty sure it is.

Leafs should look similar to Novos but with more rounded top, same paler green color as novo leafs have.
They shouldn´t have the false midribs (the 2 parallell lines on each sides of the center midrib) on the underside of the leafs.
Truxillence is the only variety that lacks these false midribs (of the 4 varietys that contain cocaine alkaloids).

You have Truxillence variety Ferrel, im pretty sure.
They seem little pale though, maybe something that can be fixed.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25344529 - 07/24/18 02:28 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Lovely plants you have there, mrmazdarx9! Are you growing them as a house plant in front of a window all the time? Is it a sunny window or do they receive any additional lighting? Very interesting. Especially because you're apparently in the UK, so our climates are alike. My Erythroxylum spp. plants are directly under a 110W CFL grow light. I was wondering the other day if it's possibly a bit too intense for them. They look fine most of the time though, if the spider mites stay off. But growing these in front of a window as house plants is extremely awesome.


 

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25344583 - 07/24/18 03:03 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah mine have always been grown for the last 4 years under 2x 300w cfls in a grow tent until recently, i moved house and theres no room for a tent and seeing as its soo damn hot here upto 35°C this week, in the high 20s for a couple months now. I figured id save some cash on the electrics to run the bulbs and soak up some sun.
They werent happy at first every leaf one by one dropped off then it grew new spouts and leaves that love the sun. Dunno how theyll cope in winter but the radiator is just underneath them (not directly) so should be ok, if not ill just have to pop up the tent in the living room, the mrs will not be impressed haha.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25344732 - 07/24/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I find coca grows very well under CFL and LEDs inside.
The hard part for me is that they get spidermites so easily inside.
Many coca plants have died because of these mites :sad:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25344753 - 07/24/18 04:13 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah mine grew excellently under cfl and leds my led light set itself on fire and it was a good make, the cooling fan failed so ive stuck with bulbs ever since. It is nice though having them costing me nothing to grow soaking in the sun.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25344763 - 07/24/18 04:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I’m lucky, the hail wasn’t bad at my house. The top of the coca I pictured a few days ago got broken,  it otherwise things are OK except for some missing or damaged kratom and viridis leaves. I was at work 2 mikes away when it hit. It was bad there, my plants wouldn’t have done well with golf ball sized hail. I was happy when I got home, I was fearing the worst.
This brings up a point. That broken top is going to be fucked up. I’ve noticed these plants don’t do so well when pruned. It seems like another shoot never takes over as the top. I cut the tops off of one last year and it didn’t do so good.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25344892 - 07/24/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah mine grew excellently under cfl and leds my led light set itself on fire and it was a good make, the cooling fan failed so ive stuck with bulbs ever since. It is nice though having them costing me nothing to grow soaking in the sun.



Damn that's nuts, I'm checking my fans tomorrow then. Didn't even consider LEDs might catch on fire if the fan fails.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25344952 - 07/24/18 05:51 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Strange indeed. You would expect some built-in safety components like a thermal switch. The fan provides 'active cooling' for the heat sink. If the fan malfunctions, the dimensions of the heat sink will be too small to passively dissipate all the heat, with the above-mentioned consequences.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25347968 - 07/26/18 11:39 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Viparspectra they gave me a refund but could have been really bad as i had gone away for the weekend with my mrs, came home to find the light was off so i assumed the timer had broke thrn looked up at the light and saw it was all burnt.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25348660 - 07/26/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Damn.. potentially pretty dangerous. i also heard MH / HID can explode if you use it past it's lifetime.. fxk that
careful, dudes

Have LEDs now that don't get too hot and I believe nothing is a fire hazard in my setup..

Sorry ferrel, mateo is probably right and more experienced - I just thought you meant you were uncertain about the species / variety.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #25348775 - 07/26/18 07:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

A fire from my growlights would be total nighmare for me.
I have my growlights in the basement with me and my family living on the 2 floors above.
Also i use some cheap china LED growlights and i can assume that the cheaper end of growlights dont have advanced/costly safety features.
Maybe i should install some safety features of my own as a smoke detector that if triggered cuts the power to the grow lights and sound an alarm.
I too have read somewhere that MH / HID can explode but i think that is very rare and if used properly it shouldn´t happen.
I think the cheap LED growlights are more of a concern and as prices are so low the manufacturers do anything to lower production costs.
Skipping safety features probably saves a few bucks in production costs.
But what to do, i need the growlights.
Installing a own safety system is probably not a bad idea.

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Sorry ferrel, mateo is probably right and more experienced - I just thought you meant you were uncertain about the species / variety.




Im not a experienced Erythroxylum grower, i just own a few plants.
I also got the feeling Ferrel was worried that his seedlings were not the Truxillence variety.
If they lack the 2 parallell lines on each side of the center vein on the underside of the leaf, it´s got to be Truxillence coca.
No other variety lacks these lines.
And to check if its a coca plant, just chew some leafs :smile:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25348841 - 07/26/18 07:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe i should install some safety features of my own as a smoke detector that if triggered cuts the power to the grow lights and sound an alarm.





This doesn't really sound like a foolproof safety measure. Once smoke has been detected, it might already be too late to cut the power. Also, the alarm is a good idea to save your family in case of fire. But if nobody is at home when this happens, your house might burn to the ground.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25349988 - 07/27/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

When LEDs overheat I think the current draw can spiral out of control, what may be bad about cheap LEDs is bad efficiency causing more heat development that could cause enough overheating that it spirals out of control when the cooling malfunctions.

You are versed in microcontrollers, M, why not hook up a temperature sensor and an (optocoupled) relay to an Arduino that shuts the lighting down when it goes above temperatures that would occur when shit hits the fan, but before your shit is doomed?

Ah cool about the parallel lines, I had not read that yet

Well knowing more than one Erythroxylum species must help a lot :smile:

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #25350241 - 07/27/18 11:26 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yes a smokedetector is probably no good, then that triggers it´s probably to late to cut the power.
But putting a temp sensor on every growlight will be quite many microcontroller setups.
I have growlights on 3 different grow areas now and at least 2 more setups are planned.
Maybe it´s worth the effort, i dont want a fire happening.
If i do something like that i can maybe include some other nice features as sensor controlled fans/temp regulation and whatever cool ideas i might come up with.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25350702 - 07/27/18 04:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah luckily for me most of the light is metal just the plastic melted and circuit board burnt, and the tent is mylar lined dunno if thats very fire proof though.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #25351054 - 07/27/18 07:15 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Good thing no big fire started and no one got hurt.
Makes ones think a bit about firesafety and what can be done to avoid things like that happening.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #25351927 - 07/28/18 09:20 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yep definately


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