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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25925330 - 04/09/19 03:58 PM (10 days, 4 hours ago)

Glad I'm not the only one. Some people swear it doesn't happen.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: nube424]
    #25925337 - 04/09/19 04:04 PM (10 days, 4 hours ago)

yea, for most it's not an issue. Seems like once I pasteurize, it's fine for a really long time like most will describe. Over hydrated coir that i need to squeeze out, seems to have this problem less often for me.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25925526 - 04/09/19 05:54 PM (10 days, 3 hours ago)

Pasteurizing means to propagate certain organisms and to kill off others.
But there isn't anything to kill nor propagate inside coir bricks :shrug:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25925534 - 04/09/19 06:00 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

I don't fully understand it man. Maybe water is a factor idk. I just know it grew mold, same coir treated with heat longer didn't. It's my only link between them, my best guess after messing with it for a bit.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25925544 - 04/09/19 06:10 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

I just don't know what would be the difference between coir PC'd for 90min at 15 PSI,
coir hydrated with boiling water and pasteurized coir.
It's still gonna be just heat treated coir mixed in open air and full of contaminant spores :shrug:


So you always end up with field capacity hydrated coir thats full of contaminants spores.
But these spores can not germinate and colonize the coir because it is not nutritious enough
to cause spores to germinate nor does it have enough nutrients to sustain live cultures.


I have had organisms on my coir a few times but lately I'm beginning to think that it was just fragments of live myc crawling along trying to colonize or it was some other live shit that landed inside and 'tried' to colonize. But I've never seen the entire coir get colonized by anything, not even close. That's mostly cause it simply doesn't have enough nutes to sustain that kind of activity.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25925553 - 04/09/19 06:15 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

No, definitely not the whole thing. It usually stays localized. But once it's there... I mean, can u just scoop it out and the rest is fine?


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: nube424]
    #25925574 - 04/09/19 06:25 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

My opinion is that coir contaminates to rarely that it's really no point in even discussing it in the HC thread.


But.. If coir did contaminate then it would be the easiest problem to fix when it comes to the HC setup.
It would just require to add something to the coir that will make it inhabitable to any organism and problem solved :thumbup:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: nube424]
    #25925584 - 04/09/19 06:29 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

i actually tried it. i scooped the mold out and tried using the coir well below it, it molded out. Same spawn(mixed some jars and split into 2 tubs) put into same "scooped" coir batch but with pasteurizing first, came out fine.

I know one direct like that is not a great test, but it was enough to convince me to keep pasteurizing it and i stopped losing tubs like i was for a minute there.

/e sorry, you're right not a biggy as it relates to the HC. Can keep removing or use a substitute for holding water.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25925598 - 04/09/19 06:37 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

I've found seeds, flower buds, wooden sticks, grass, hay, and what not inside coir bricks.
Molds can definitely germinate on these organic stuffs and might give them enough energy to do some colonization and sporulation.
But coir contaminating on 'it's own' is considered highly unlikely.
It's an interesting discussion and I've heard many arguments on both sides :popcorn:
So far I'm going with my own theory about the 'occasional' nutritious organic content like seeds and sticks.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25925606 - 04/09/19 06:42 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

Totally plausible and could just be a coincidence I'm gettin batches with enough extras to give me head aches.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25927120 - 04/10/19 03:33 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)
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Question about flushes.
I've harvested 1 flush from 2 different cakes, they all seem to have different stages of mushrooms growing on them at 1 time. Is it necessary to dunk the cakes again or can I just mist them a couple of times a day. Also the cakes appeared a little dry so I heavily misted on the cake directly and not the mushrooms. I would love a breakdown of how some of y'all designate a "flush" because as of now I feel that it would kill several mushrooms since they are on different growth cycles.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Darqnyght]
    #25927124 - 04/10/19 03:35 PM (9 days, 5 hours ago)

A flush ends when there is no more pins growing on the cake and the cake is barren so to speak. If your cake is drying up too fast, maybe consider bottom watering.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25927157 - 04/10/19 03:55 PM (9 days, 4 hours ago)

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A flush ends when there is no more pins growing on the cake and the cake is barren so to speak. If your cake is drying up too fast, maybe consider bottom watering.




Oh okay, I guess the cakes are fine then, it was just the tops of them that appeared to be dry, I checked the middle/bottom and they were still very wet. I just misted the tops of the cakes.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Darqnyght] * 1
    #25928048 - 04/11/19 03:28 AM (8 days, 17 hours ago)

first pins coming in



getting bigger by the hour, they look alright from what I can see, not sure if some of those might be aborts though. There's a few around with slightly darker caps, dunno if you guys can see any in the pics

liking the look of that one cluster in the three cake box eh

very excited noob here :mushroom2:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Nef]
    #25928054 - 04/11/19 03:34 AM (8 days, 17 hours ago)

Looking good!

I would recommend trimming the foil back to just around the cake bottoms for even better performance. :wink:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25928099 - 04/11/19 05:01 AM (8 days, 15 hours ago)

don't wanna mess with them and break something right now, with all the pins around them and my butcher's hands

but yes definitely gonna make sure the foil is more cut to shape after I take them out to harvest and dunk before the second flush

thanks logical chaos


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Nef]
    #25928130 - 04/11/19 05:44 AM (8 days, 15 hours ago)

No, thank u for the picture post dawg :douchewink:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25928295 - 04/11/19 08:26 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

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Looking good Nef, keep em coming :super:


Here are the 'total neglect cakes' on flush two. 4 weeks in mini HC with no misting.
You can see the HC walls have dried out and the coir surface is slowly drying out as well.
For the sake of the experiment I'll let these HC's and cakes continue to do their thing, I'll mind my own business.
So far evaporation rates and humidity seem to be 'decent enough' to produce pins at least.
Mini HC 1, the white pins are cute but not so easy to spot


Mini HC 2



These cakes are kind of oxygen deprived and not as happy as they could be and I'm just observing. :takingnotes:
I feel I've learned a lot about oxygen rates needed for healthy development.
I notice that some cultures need more oxygen and some less.
The indicators I'm going by so far is thin elongated stems with tiny caps.

Edit: I'm not necessarily talking about these fruits when I mention oxygen depravation characteristics (even tho they probably are), but these are AA+ and they are kind of tall and lanky by default.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25928298 - 04/11/19 08:28 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

Very cool!

:takingnotes:

4 weeks is awesome. Perfect for taking vacations away from home.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25928305 - 04/11/19 08:33 AM (8 days, 12 hours ago)

They have been dunked after first flush and placed back inside so I guess it's not total neglect :lol:


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