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Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes * 20
    #25339094 - 07/21/18 11:57 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

:sailboat: THE HUMIDITY CHAMBER :fishing:



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No matter which FC you use and which substrate you're fruiting, you are
ultimately just managing evaporation rates off the substrate.
You accomplish this by adjusting FAE and by misting.


Misting will be sporadic throughout the fruiting cycle because we only mist when
It's time to replenish the lost moisture on the substrate surface.
Sometimes you will need to mist 3 times a day and sometimes
you wont even need to mist more than 3 times per week.
How fast a sub evaporates off moisture will depend
on the rate of FAE and RH in you grow area.


Dry grow area + high rate of FAE = fast evaporation off the substrate = more misting
Humid grow area + low rate of FAE = slow evaporation off the substrate = less misting


FAE is adjustable and you have a spray bottle.
That means you can speed evaporation up and mist more or slow it down and mist less.
There is no right and wrong as long as you don't choke or bruise your substrates from too little/too much FAE.


So, about the Humidity Chamber.

I personally use a plastic tub filled with coir
that is way over field capacity but in no way slushy.
Zoom in on this pic and observe the coir surface.
It's completely saturated but hasn't sunk or lost
it's huge moisture emitting surface area at all.

DO NOT put your cakes directly on the coir, place them on a piece of aluminum foil or on a lid :thumbup:





Size of HC doesn't matter



I flip the lid upside down and sliglty offset it to create 2-4 small openings for FAE.
I like to adjust FAE so that I get away with misting every other day or so.
Even then it's a pretty gentle mist, it's not necessary to create rain every day.
I give them rain once a week or so after I let them evaporate for a bit first.
And I really don't have clear answers for this, I'm still learning to grow mushrooms so see what works for you I'm sure there are different ways this can be done.


This oatmeal cake was not misted even once between dunking and this flush.
No verm layer either.


These two BRF cakes were misted only once between dunking and this flsuh


These were totally neglected and never misted once and went several flushes.


This was just an experiment I did to test what minimal FAE rates could offer.
I wouldn't advise constricting FAE this much throuout fruiting but it can be useful
to know that closing the lid shut when going out of town for
a few days won't hurt the organism in any noticeable way.

Anyway.

Stay classy peeps and politely wave goodbye to dry and bruising cakes :hi:

:greatjob:


Edited by Mateah (07/06/19 04:52 AM)


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah] * 1
    #25339101 - 07/21/18 12:02 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Ya dude.
:fonz:

Cant wait to see more results. I bought a pack of half pints myself:awedance:

Does myc ever 'leap off' the cake and grow into the coir?


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #25339105 - 07/21/18 12:04 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Bravo! :rockon:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah] * 2
    #25339107 - 07/21/18 12:05 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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Let me introduce the Humidity Chamber! It is simply a plastic tub filled with something wet. Let me repeat. It is a plastic tub filled with something wet!





:trippy:

Was just thinking how terrible SGFCs are. Nice TEK


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Tormato] * 1
    #25339111 - 07/21/18 12:06 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Awesome the sgfc needs to be buried.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: mushboy]
    #25339115 - 07/21/18 12:10 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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Does myc ever 'leap off' the cake and grow into the coir?



It happened once when I used a small piece of aluminum foil and once when I acidentally dropped a cake into the chamber. But cakes inside upsidow lids works fine it seems.

Myc didn't get far on the soaking wet coir anyway lolz


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: kanemush]
    #25339118 - 07/21/18 12:17 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

This is awesome Mateah! :super:
This looks like a well needed update to that dusty old SGFC.
Also looks like a good solution for those who only have a few cakes at a time ready,and can't properly fill a SGFC.
I don't normally fruit cakes,but I may just have to give this tek a whirl.
Thanks for your time and research into this!
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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: mushroomnate] * 3
    #25339130 - 07/21/18 12:27 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

My personal SGFC has over 800 holes and it was built to specifics. I've had partial success with it, mostly when I started to get a grasp on what the substrates needed.  And this is the thing about the SGFC and growers who defend it, if you know how to grow you can make it work. But if youre a total noob (like most are fruiting cakes inside the SGFC) you're gonna see blue cakes that don't produce.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25339136 - 07/21/18 12:31 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

:thumbsup:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah] * 1
    #25339159 - 07/21/18 12:46 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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My personal SGFC has over 800 holes




Not having to drill these holes is good enough reason to use this tek


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: pixelpopper] * 2
    #25339473 - 07/21/18 04:53 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

So you don't crack the lid or do anything for FAE? Have you tried different containers?


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: 36fuckin5] * 1
    #25339541 - 07/21/18 05:53 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

im assuming the lid is upside down ?


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #25339557 - 07/21/18 06:09 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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So you don't crack the lid or do anything for FAE? Have you tried different containers?



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im assuming the lid is upside down ?



I've done mostly 5L tubs like in the pics and also a few 11L tubs.

I've done both flipped lid and regular snapped on, didn't notice a difference really.

On early tries I did a few mistings here and there about 4-5 in total and progressively less and less misting until the last two grows were with no misting at all and with no verm on cakes. First flush always looks better than second flush, second flush fruits have some fuzzy feet. That still doesn't explain why first flush fruits don't have fuzz since they get exactly the same amount of FAE.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25339612 - 07/21/18 06:47 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

we need moar pics mateah :hehehe: death to the sgfc!


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25339627 - 07/21/18 06:59 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I like mine. I use mine to fruit just about anything in.I know - stupid newbie- but it work's for me- My dub tub's sucked as dub tubs- took the top off put them into "SGFC" saved there life man.Help's me rehydrate my coir tubs and provide FAE at the same time-I  like them-I feel it has helped me out lot's.
Then again I don't know much and just been using what is suggested to me from other's that know better.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: rockpup] * 2
    #25339669 - 07/21/18 07:32 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Also worth noting is that the Humidity Chamber works equally well in a grow area with 0%RH, during winter months my whole apartment was bone dry when I fruited all those cakes with no verm layer and no misting. Try to do that with a SGFC and youll see the blue cakes all day if you're not guarding the cakes with a spray bottle :shrug:

This setup is superior to the SGFC design on so many levels it's ridiculous.

As I said countless times before, SGFC can produce nice cakes if the conditions are right and if the grower isn't a total noob. But then again experienced growers don't suddenly get the idea to build a SGFC to fruit BRF cakes in, and those that suffer the inferior design of the SGFC are the very noobs I'm trying to protect. Moar shrooms for the people! :yesnod:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #25339694 - 07/21/18 07:46 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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we need moar pics mateah :hehehe: death to the sgfc!



Totally agree! This sample is small but nevertheless speaks for itself. I encourage others to see the simllplicity for themselves in as harsh environments as 0%RH, it works, my cakes were not made out of magic, on the contrary they were sub quality compared to standard BRF cakes used for fruiting as cakes.

These cakes were made for slurry originally and are about 20-30% smaller than 1/2 pint cakes and also had weird shapes and no verm layer.

I'm looking forward to see perfectly prepped BRF cakes with verm layer fruited inside these chambers in the future from other growers!


I was planning on using wet towel tubs and also tubs with a cm of plain water on the bottom just to see how the Humidity would hold, I still have plans for this if I find the time and effort.


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateah]
    #25339763 - 07/21/18 08:52 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

My first grow, I used a sgfc.  I swear that thing required more babysitting with a spray bottle and dialing in than anything I've used since.  Now, even in the driest months of the year my tubs and shoeboxes require very little attention once spawned.  I will say the pain in the ass SGFC was what pushed me to move onto bulk.  Never again SGFC!


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    #25339817 - 07/21/18 09:43 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I agree. SGFCs fuckin suck and always have. Good writeup :cool:


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Re: Humidity Chamber Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NumeroEno] * 4
    #25340154 - 07/22/18 07:12 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Idk i used a sgfc to start and it worked great. I actually overmisted my cakes despite a dry ass house. And that was back in my never home party days

Here's my only old sgfc pics but I managed to over do misting and that was with a morning and night mist schedule only


My only dislike was perlite coming out of the bottom holes but a boot mat fixed that problem

By all means a sgfc isn't my favorite but it takes like 0 skill IMO its foolproof. Maybe i sound rude by if your cake is healthy I don't see how its possible to fuck it up sgfc or not. Cakes are so easy they fruit on a table with a baggie.


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