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MagicTruffleDude
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Bacillus thuringiensis
#25338421 - 07/21/18 06:09 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried using Bacillus thuringiensis in your bulk grow? I live in the south and it doesnt matter if I grow indoors or outdoors they get infested with gnats. I've tried everything. Cant keep them away. Im putting off fruiting 20 jars because idk how to keep these fuckers out. At one time they laid maggots and i was able to kill all the maggots in the jar by suffocating them. Decided to bulk grow that jar downstairs and BAM the flies are back again.
I decided to try Bacillus thuringiensis which is a natural growing bacterium that kills those fuckers. Will it also hurt the mycelium? Has anyone tried this? I haven't been able to find much information on it.
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TheMadHatter420
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Bacteria compete with the mycelium. Intentionally introducing bacteria is counter productive.
You say you have used everything, I assume you used a thin layer of diatomatious earth on your subs surface.
ALSO if you have gnat larva in your jars, you got real problems with your jars. The gnats shouldn't be able to get in there, and if there is larva in there then they are getting in the jar and how is a jar that shitty supposed to keep mold out. NEVER spawn a jar that has bugs in it.
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I would fix the problem rather than trying to put a overcomplicated bandaid on it
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TheMadHatter420 said: Bacteria compete with the mycelium. Intentionally introducing bacteria is counter productive.
You say you have used everything, I assume you used a thin layer of diatomatious earth on your subs surface.
ALSO if you have gnat larva in your jars, you got real problems with your jars. The gnats shouldn't be able to get in there, and if there is larva in there then they are getting in the jar and how is a jar that shitty supposed to keep mold out. NEVER spawn a jar that has bugs in it.
They get through the tiny holes at the top and crawl through the dry layer of vermiculite. Its not the jars because ive even bought some really good jars premade online and they got in those too. They crawl through anything. Havent had problems with contamination. Im putting off birthing these jars because i know the gnats will get in them again...
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MagicTruffleDude
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Re: Bacillus thuringiensis [Re: bodhisatta]
#25338940 - 07/21/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I would fix the problem rather than trying to put a overcomplicated bandaid on it
How do you fix it?
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TheMadHatter420
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TheMadHatter420 said: Bacteria compete with the mycelium. Intentionally introducing bacteria is counter productive.
You say you have used everything, I assume you used a thin layer of diatomatious earth on your subs surface.
ALSO if you have gnat larva in your jars, you got real problems with your jars. The gnats shouldn't be able to get in there, and if there is larva in there then they are getting in the jar and how is a jar that shitty supposed to keep mold out. NEVER spawn a jar that has bugs in it.
They get through the tiny holes at the top and crawl through the dry layer of vermiculite. Its not the jars because ive even bought some really good jars premade online and they got in those too. They crawl through anything. Havent had problems with contamination. Im putting off birthing these jars because i know the gnats will get in them again...
This still doesn't sound right unless your doing PF tek, in which case a single layer of paper Micro Pore tape will keep them out, and NO it will not fuck up GE as many of us use it as jar filters for grains. You could also buys some SFD's, synthetic filter disk, and put those under the lids. Bugs will NOT get through those.
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If you’re running tubs maybe try putting micropore tape on the holes and some backer rod or weather stripping in the lid to keep them out. The only beneficial bacteria in a bulk substrate is actinomyces (firefang) which keeps mold at bay in hpoo substrates, but it’s already in the poo. Bacillus species put out a lot of acid (hence the sour smell) which makes it hard for the myc to grow. I would try mechanical control over biological control in your case. However I’m going to defer to bod on his knowledge of bacillus and shit because as a brewer this is more up his alley.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Bacteria compete with the mycelium. Intentionally introducing bacteria is counter productive.
You say you have used everything, I assume you used a thin layer of diatomatious earth on your subs surface.
ALSO if you have gnat larva in your jars, you got real problems with your jars. The gnats shouldn't be able to get in there, and if there is larva in there then they are getting in the jar and how is a jar that shitty supposed to keep mold out. NEVER spawn a jar that has bugs in it.
They get through the tiny holes at the top and crawl through the dry layer of vermiculite. Its not the jars because ive even bought some really good jars premade online and they got in those too. They crawl through anything. Havent had problems with contamination. Im putting off birthing these jars because i know the gnats will get in them again...
This still doesn't sound right unless your doing PF tek, in which case a single layer of paper Micro Pore tape will keep them out, and NO it will not fuck up GE as many of us use it as jar filters for grains. You could also buys some SFD's, synthetic filter disk, and put those under the lids. Bugs will NOT get through those.
I used micropore tape on these jars that im about to birth. Im wondering how i can birth these jars though without gnats getting in them. I am using PF tek. I bulk grew the other one and its a long story.
Im trying to do a regular pf tek but idk how to keep the gnats out once i birth since i have to drill holes in the shotgun fruiting chamber. They can get in. My jars are good now im just worried when I birth the gnats will come back.
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TheMadHatter420
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Well look into gnat control. Like I think I remember something about bowls of vinegar or some shit attracting and drowning them.
There is always the option of strips of micropore tape over the rows of your holes.
OR maybe wrap it in a bug net? Like what you would use to keep bugs off you while you sleep in the jungle.
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Or fruit them in a monotub with micropore tape. Fuck SGFCs. Check out elasticaltiger’s tek on monotub fruiting chambers and modify it as needed to keep the bugs out
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TheMadHatter420 said: Well look into gnat control. Like I think I remember something about bowls of vinegar or some shit attracting and drowning them.
There is always the option of strips of micropore tape over the rows of your holes.
OR maybe wrap it in a bug net? Like what you would use to keep bugs off you while you sleep in the jungle.
I think that’s fruit flies. If you leave a glass of wine out they’ll all fly into it and drown. I don’t know about gnats though.
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Re: Bacillus thuringiensis [Re: NumeroEno]
#25339486 - 07/21/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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They might be fruit flies. I didnt know there was a difference.
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MagicTruffleDude
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TheMadHatter420 said: Well look into gnat control. Like I think I remember something about bowls of vinegar or some shit attracting and drowning them.
There is always the option of strips of micropore tape over the rows of your holes.
OR maybe wrap it in a bug net? Like what you would use to keep bugs off you while you sleep in the jungle.
Hell yeah im gonna try a mosquito net. I bet that will work.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Well look into gnat control. Like I think I remember something about bowls of vinegar or some shit attracting and drowning them.
There is always the option of strips of micropore tape over the rows of your holes.
OR maybe wrap it in a bug net? Like what you would use to keep bugs off you while you sleep in the jungle.
Hell yeah im gonna try a mosquito net. I bet that will work.
Your thinking to hard my friend.
Get fly traps, set them up everywhere in your room that isn’t inconveniencing, use diatomaceous earth to line your windowsills and doorways to try and help keep some small bugs out, introduce an AC to control humidity. Your doing something wrong, if that doesn’t work.
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TheMadHatter420
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Also if you have a sink some where that isn't used, the standing water will attract them. Same goes with sump pump pits. SO if you have a bathroom that isn't used, run some water down the trap. Make sure trash goes out ASAP, and over ripe fruit can attract them.
Personally I still sat try protecting them with a bug net for now. This is a simple way to combat them while you work on changing the big picture that makes them like your home/get into your home.
I was some what close. Just googled this up.
"For this method, you will need some apple cider vinegar, sugar, dish soap, water, and a container. In the container, mix two tablespoons of vinegar, 1 tablespoon of sugar, a few drops of soap, and 1 liter of water. Mix it well then place the container around the area where you see the most gnats.Feb 26, 2018"
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If it is fruit flies - i'm also in the south. I've always used straight up apple cider vinegar with some dawn in it. throw a cup of the stuff out on a counter and watch them go for it and drown like little fools.
Steps i have tried with success (do all of it, and maybe more - go nuclear option here): 1. get rid of any standing water. Period. dump boiling water down your sinks and close the darn drains if you can. Shut toilet lids (bleach cleaning tablets also can work to keep them out so i've heard, but, i havent tried that one). Got a cat box? yeah, make sure that thing stays spotless while you deal with this.
Steps i haven't had to take but apply - If you have a dishwasher that hasn't run in a while- run it with cleaning tabs. If you have a washing machine that hasn't run in a while run it on hot with bleach and some whites.
2. get rid of any trash - open air food - especially fruit. I've even had the little assholes go for not over ripe onions (not even a friggen fruit for crying out loud) though so i temporarily got rid of my bowl i keep near the stove for cooking. 3. Set the above traps, several in a big room at least one in a small room that has had any get in there.
If it's gnats I dont know what to tell you but i've never seen those go indoors heavily, maybe i'm in the wrong parts of the south but i kinda suspect it's fruit flies not gnats.
Not to be preachy, and usually after you've dealt with them you don't have to be quite so paranoid about things.
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I've recently battled an infestation of fruit flies. If your getting fruit from the grocery store immediately wash it off. I've noticed they come from pineapples and especially bananas. I also got this spray with all natural ingredients that really fucks their day up. But if they are getting into your jars something is deff wrong. What do you lids look like?
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Re: Bacillus thuringiensis [Re: scab eater]
#25340058 - 07/22/18 05:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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He is running PF tek lids with the 4 holes in the top.
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Just went and bought two huge mosquito nets and i wish i had opened them in the store because theres no way these fruit flies cant get through these huge holes. Ive tried keeping everything spotless and it doesnt work. As soon as one get in the mycelium its like they call their friends and hundreds appear the next day. I have no idea what to do now. Ive kept the house super spotless but that doesnt fix it...
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Re: Bacillus thuringiensis [Re: scab eater]
#25340463 - 07/22/18 11:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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scab eater said: I've recently battled an infestation of fruit flies. If your getting fruit from the grocery store immediately wash it off. I've noticed they come from pineapples and especially bananas. I also got this spray with all natural ingredients that really fucks their day up. But if they are getting into your jars something is deff wrong. What do you lids look like?
They arent getting in the jars anymore i use micropore tape. My fear is as soon as I spawn the jars they will be back. Theyve ruined my first 3 batches and I'm still on my first grow..
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