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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25328138 - 07/15/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

what I would do is mulch it with fresh plant material of whatever you can get your hands on. it'll slowly release moisture in the air as it decomposes and will feed your plant. I sprout mung beans and grow them till theyre about 6 inches and then I harvest the roots and use em as mulch.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: mmcc]
    #25328913 - 07/15/18 11:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. But I have some pots (other plants) where I got surface mold on top because I had them rooting under plastic bags for too long in this crazy heatwave. So I have mold spores in here. In the air...


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25330988 - 07/17/18 05:49 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Haircut!

I didn't mean to, but the internodes were getting rather long. Also I'm curious if I can get some double branching at those nodes where I have more buds. It's a test, more than anything.






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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25331423 - 07/17/18 11:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks to a very nice shroomerite i can now join this group ethobotanical growers.
I recieved 3 rooted Salvia D cuttings and even though they lost many leafs during shipment they look healthy.


I put 2 of them in my growtent beside the Mitragynas.
Sorry for the LED lights.

The last one i put in my seedling propagation tub where it´s humid, quite warm and have plenty of light.


I think they will recover from the shipping and start growing pretty fast.

Im so happy finally growing Salvia, it will be fun see how they developes.
Do they have any specific growing needs or just grow as usual?


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Mateo]
    #25331852 - 07/17/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Looking good, they should recover pretty quick. Did the leaves fall off because of damage during shipping or did they yellow/dry up? Just curious.

My advice is to grow it like any other plant, don't baby it. Salvia sort of thrives on neglect imo, and this particular clone is acclimated to dry air so they shouldn't struggle too much.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25331972 - 07/17/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I hear you guys like variegation's :grin:



this was part of a regular looking plant, so i'm not yet convinced it could be any different though. even on the mother plant it had small, bluish leaves. the node was much longer and displayed the same characteristics as in the picture but began dying after it took root.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25332283 - 07/17/18 07:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Looking good, they should recover pretty quick. Did the leaves fall off because of damage during shipping or did they yellow/dry up? Just curious.

My advice is to grow it like any other plant, don't baby it. Salvia sort of thrives on neglect imo, and this particular clone is acclimated to dry air so they shouldn't struggle too much.




It seem most of the leafs fell off by mechanical stress, most looked perfectly fine but just had came off.
2 leafs had turned black and none of the leafs were dry.
The growing tip was OK on all 3 salvias and they had the leafs closest to tip still attached.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Mateo]
    #25334786 - 07/19/18 12:44 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

So you were the lucky one! Three cuttings, quite a generous gift. Best of luck with them!

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25334878 - 07/19/18 04:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Perilla. Anyone ever considered attempting to cross Sally with a Perilla? I think the similarities are striking. Not to mention Perilla is edible so no concerns about possible thujone etc.









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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! *DELETED* [Re: purplegills]
    #25334891 - 07/19/18 04:34 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: JayWise]
    #25335114 - 07/19/18 08:42 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I'm aware of these limitations. Intergeneric hybridization is very rarely successful, although not unheard of.

However, my jaw still dropped when I saw the (probably, purely morphological) similarities :cool: To me, Perilla looks even more closely related to Sally D than Coleus.

I have some shiso seeds...


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25335165 - 07/19/18 09:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I have a bunch of salvia nemorosa growing near my outside divinorums. all of the salvia's seem to get pollinated each summer by hummingbirds but i've never seen any hybrids. lots of seeds though.


few more days on the possible variegation.


i really don't know whats going on with it, it gets fertilizer just like the other salvia divinorums but it just doesn't want to give me that typical dark green salvia color for whatever reason. it's also outside just like it's mother.

it's not as noticeable in these pictures but in sunlight the leaves have a blueish hue.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Oggy]
    #25335587 - 07/19/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Just reading about stuff..

A gorgeous Bolivian Salvia


"In addition to the fuzzy flowers, another unique characteristic of the Fuzzy Bolivian Salvia is it seedless state. No plant has been observed with seeds after flowering, either in the wild or in herbariums. It has been surmised that this may be due to the loss of a native pollinator, due to extinction or rarity. In North America, hummingbirds readily ‘pollinate’ flowers, but viable seed does not set. The plant is therefore at risk in the wild, despite commercial nurseries around the world having good stock levels. The brittle stem tips may play a role in helping distribute the plant vegetatively when they break and fall into streams, but the soil conditions downstream must also be right."


I'm having dejà-vu...

Perhaps this is the "problem" with Sally D too?...


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills]
    #25337983 - 07/20/18 09:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I've posted a lot of sally pics in this thread and I think finally this time they're done. I went away and the person who was meant to water them just let them die. I tried taking stem cuttings, no action yet. Every things looking awful. Bought the plant when I was 16 years old. Over a decade ago. And now that Canada banned it for no reason at all (it's not a drug of abuse, let's be real) I will have a hole in my heart unless by some miracle the stem cuttings take off.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #25338140 - 07/20/18 11:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Very sorry to hear. Stem cuttings will take off. Plant is unkillable. So, I wouldn't say goodbye just yet.

If they do come back, try "swell gel" once they're going strong. I can go away for over a week or even ten days once the pot is reasonably sized with swell gel in the soil.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #25338147 - 07/20/18 11:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I really want to share cuttings now that my plants are doing well but the Trudeau government banned selling salvia so now I'm scared. (...)




It would have helped if you had done this...

Hint for the future. "Hide" some growing in some Perilla or similar. I don't know how root competition would work out but I'm probably going to try next spring in a huge 50-80L bucket. I'm trying it on a small scale now when the top cuttings that came from the latest haircut I just stuck back into the soil of the already big plants with established roots (but not pot bound yet). I wonder how far those cuttings get; if they can grow in the same pot (I don't want to have more pots at the moment due to space). I'll share.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: purplegills] * 1
    #25338271 - 07/21/18 01:32 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Here's something I find rather shocking about this plant. It will never stop making new side shoots, even from under the soil, new shoots will emerge.

This used to be a rather weak baby, namely, a stem cutting I'd almost given up on, then if I remember right I potted it horizontally when it sent up a tiny weak side shoot from the last non-rotten node it had. I posted about it somewhere...

My first pic of her was from 30 June:



Observe the very, very thin stem.

4 July, still thin but taking off:



20 July (yesterday): she means business and is visibly thicker now.



The new stem higher up is thicker, but even the old part has thickened up significantly, it nearly doubled in thickness so far, so I'm not buying what I've read somewhere that if you start out with a thin cutting you can never get a monster plant because you'll be limited by the small stem size. [By the way Sangeeta, my now rather sad big plant also started out the same way, a cutting I'd almost given up on, and a last non-rotten node, just last November, eight months ago, and look how far she's gotten, and this should give you Jellyfish some hope, it's almost never too late. You can see the rotting stem here with the last node... and the side shoot. By the next photo, the stem rotted completely and I cut it away before it could spread to the side shoot so it almost looked like a seedling at that point. A really tiny seedling.]

Today I'm noticing this:



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And the experiment with the "haircut" cuttings which I put back into the big pots to root there directly. One of my big plants is kind of unhappy these days but I can't figure out what the problem is. She's been dropping small to mid-sized leaves. That was partly the reason she got the haircut. We'll see...

This one is doing relatively OK:



This is the sad one, I'm guessing it's the heat and my relative inability to keep the humidity up:



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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: jellyfish]
    #25340454 - 07/22/18 11:49 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I've posted a lot of sally pics in this thread and I think finally this time they're done. I went away and the person who was meant to water them just let them die. I tried taking stem cuttings, no action yet. Every things looking awful. Bought the plant when I was 16 years old. Over a decade ago. And now that Canada banned it for no reason at all (it's not a drug of abuse, let's be real) I will have a hole in my heart unless by some miracle the stem cuttings take off.

:frown:





stem cuttings take a long time to get established in my experience. as long as there is a place for nodes to grow nodes on it, it should do just fine though. I've had better success rooting stems in perlite/water mix over straight water or even peat moss(which at this point i am convinced is a miracle worker).


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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Oggy]
    #25342244 - 07/23/18 11:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Yea I am reading a lot about other psychoactive Salvia species recently! Salvia Recognita seeds interesting?

I wonder if grafting Salvia species onto each other achieves anything... it can make a world of difference for citrus plants apparently, who knows if it could enable Salvia Divinorum to reproduce sexually without as much problems?

The cuttings I received first reacted a little badly to the journey in the mail and lost some leaves which I guess is to be expected from the stress, but the new fresh growth is looking fine and plenty vigorous unlike the poor plants I lost (I still don't know the cause). I really hope this is a good second chance with these great plants.

Used to be a favorite of mine to grow, and it was really easy too for years. I hope I can go back to that.. <3

I'm sorry about putting you under the same stress I was under at the time SD :laugh: let's start over milady

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Re: Salvia Divinorum Growers Unite! [Re: Solipsis]
    #25342305 - 07/23/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Good to hear they rooted well for you man :smile:

I do have a couple Salvia recognita seedlings, and a bunch of seeds left. Germination is a bit hard, but I think it's just due to the hard shell, I will probably try a hot water bath next time.

Here they are, they were not looking their best for a while but looks like they're bouncing back:


Very interesting idea about grafting Salvias, I have a huuuge hedge of Salvia officinalis and lots of divinorum I can try and fail with.
I've never grafted anything other than cacti though and I'm not able to shade the stock if that matters.

Definitely gonna look into that though, maybe a grafted divinorum would be as cold hardy as the stock is.


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