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Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on?
    #25328521 - 07/15/18 07:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I have asked around but i usually only get like one or two replies i would really like to know if these are going to pin its been a little bit over 3 weeks now and no pinning do these cakes look dead should i redunk the two in the sgfc? How is my one cake looking in the single fruiting chamber? This is my first time i dont want to mess up all my work so far.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328541 - 07/15/18 08:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

What are your misting habits? Your cakes look okay to me, just bruised. What are the temps like in the room? Do they have a sour smell?


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25328559 - 07/15/18 08:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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What are your misting habits? Your cakes look okay to me, just bruised. What are the temps like in the room? Do they have a sour smell?



The smell is normal to me, but i mist probably like 5 to 6 times on the cakes through out the day i let the mist fall onto them. I feel this isnt enough water for them im afraid im dehydrating them. I mist the perlite and the walls of the sgfc more than 5 to 6 times though. I try to keep it wet in there. The single cake was redunked and i havent misted it since it was redunked which was like two days ago.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328583 - 07/15/18 08:21 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

You might be misting too much. The cakes need to dry out in order for pins to form. It is the evaporation of water that causes pins to form. I would try not misting for a couple days and see what happens. Your cakes should only need dunked between flushes. If they have not flushed then i doubt they need dunked again. What temperature is it in your grow room?


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25328588 - 07/15/18 08:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree. I think they are too dry. You need to Mist them directly and get them wet and then let that wetness evaporate. The whole 'misting into the air for it to fall down' isn't gonna cover them enough.


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328596 - 07/15/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Im not sure what's wrong.  Ive seen that before though...the way that myc looks...like it's been smoothed over somehow and that blueing...I hope someone chimes in who can explain it.  Id really like to know too. 

If it was me Id be thinking of deep scratching...is that still a thing?  Like, that outer layer of myc just ain't happy.

What kind of jar did you use to get such big cakes?  If I had to guess Id say quart sealers that you smashed to get the cake out.  I did that once...


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25328598 - 07/15/18 08:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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You might be misting too much. The cakes need to dry out in order for pins to form. It is the evaporation of water that causes pins to form. I would try not misting for a couple days and see what happens. Your cakes should only need dunked between flushes. If they have not flushed then i doubt they need dunked again. What temperature is it in your grow room?



I live in a naturally dry area so i assumed i had to mist that much to keep up with the low humidity levels. So should i keep misting the walls and the perlite Just not the cakes right?  It stay around 77 to like 85 i dont have a hygrometer.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25328605 - 07/15/18 08:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Im not sure what's wrong.  Ive seen that before though...the way that myc looks...like it's been smoothed over somehow and that blueing...I hope someone chimes in who can explain it.  Id really like to know too.

What kind of jar did you use to get such big cakes?  If I had to guess Id say quart sealers that you smashed to get the cake out.  I did that once...



1/2 pint jars i beleive i dont remember what i went with. They colonized pretty good too the colouring didnt come until after a week or two in the sgfc.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25328608 - 07/15/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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I disagree. I think they are too dry. You need to Mist them directly and get them wet and then let that wetness evaporate. The whole 'misting into the air for it to fall down' isn't gonna cover them enough.



I have read that direct misting could damage the myc as this is my first grow when someone says damage and doesnt give to much detail other than that id assume its something i dont want to do.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328611 - 07/15/18 08:31 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

You should directly mist those cakes especially if you are in a dry climate.  Fine mist does not harm myc, and evaporation is a pinning trigger. 

You get a lot of conflicting advice on these boards.  Im into misting, some aren't.  I have yet to figure out why this is. 

My working theory in the quest to get this process perfected is to keep my ears open, try everything including my own ideas, and stick with what works for me.



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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25328613 - 07/15/18 08:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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You should directly mist those cakes especially if you are in a dry climate.



Ok i will start doing that, should i redunk these two tonight? And what about my cake all by itself how is that one looking? Is the mycelium supposed to look more like the one in the single fruiting chamber?

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328634 - 07/15/18 08:42 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you need to mist cakes directly. Elastictiger may be correct about them being too dry. I am always wary of people over misting cakes though because I did when I first starting doing cakes and they got incredibly bruised and then fell to bacteria that weakened them until they were killed by trich. And 77-85 is definitely on the hot side.  I would be turning on the AC.


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #25328642 - 07/15/18 08:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah you need to mist cakes directly. Elastictiger may be correct about them being too dry. I am always wary of people over misting cakes though because I did when I first starting doing cakes and they got incredibly bruised and then fell to bacteria that weakened them until they were killed by trich. And 77-85 is definitely on the hot side.  I would be turning on the AC.



Ok i will see what that does for me then. And the AC is on i live in the desert so its just naturally hot and the air is dry.
Its what i got to work with atm.

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328648 - 07/15/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I would dunk those bad boys.  Sounds like the diagnoses here is shaping up to be dryness.

I think the way they look now, they will never fruit, and you've got to do something.


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328650 - 07/15/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Is your SGFC directly on the floor? It should be raised at least a few inches to allow airflow as you should have holes on all six sides. If it is directly on the floor you are impeading FAE. Also they look dry and bruised! They should be glistening with moisture, beads of water...


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25328657 - 07/15/18 08:53 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah you need to mist cakes directly. Elastictiger may be correct about them being too dry. I am always wary of people over misting cakes though because I did when I first starting doing cakes and they got incredibly bruised and then fell to bacteria that weakened them until they were killed by trich. And 77-85 is definitely on the hot side.  I would be turning on the AC.



Ok i will see what that does for me then. And the AC is on i live in the desert
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Is your SGFC directly on the floor? It should be raised at least a few inches to allow airflow as you should have holes on all six sides. If it is directly on the floor you are impeading FAE. Also they look dry and bruised! They should be glistening with moisture, beads of water...


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I would dunk those bad boys.



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Its a normal sgfc holes on all 6 sides its being lifted off the ground with some jars .

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25328660 - 07/15/18 08:54 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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I would dunk those bad boys.  Sounds like the diagnoses here is shaping up to be dryness.

I think the way they look now, they will never fruit, and you've got to do something.



Do you think i should move them to their own single fruiting chamber after the redunk like my other one? Hows the one by itself looking? Maybe my sgfc is to big for only two cakes? Should i just stick with the sgfc?

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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25328668 - 07/15/18 09:00 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Im questioning the wisdom of using a fruiting chamber that's full of holes when you are in the desert.  That moisture just gonna get sucked away quick.

I would consider trying a more traditional fruiting chamber (holeless), and exchanging the air the old fashioned way...fanning manually or some automated method, but letting the cakes remain in a maximum humid environment in the between time.


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: HanibalHands]
    #25328681 - 07/15/18 09:04 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Mush hunter has posted an excellent picture of how they should look after being misted. Beading is what you want to go for not soaking wet. Go ahead and dunk them again, since you live in the desert i would bet they are right about them being dry.

On a side note, can someone please explain how you tell the difference between cakes that are too dry vs too wet? I have had waterlogged cakes that everyone said were too dry but turned out to be the opposite.


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Re: Can someone help give me an idea of whats going on? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
    #25328702 - 07/15/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Im questioning the wisdom of using a fruiting chamber that's full of holes when you are in the desert.  That moisture just gonna get sucked away quick.

I would consider trying a more traditional fruiting chamber (holeless), and exchanging the air the old fashioned way...fanning manually or some automated method, but letting the cakes remain in a maximum humid environment in the between time.



Thank you i will give that a try and see what happens i got another batch colonizing in my closet do you think maybe invirto grow would be best for them?

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