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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316491 - 07/09/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

It's also considered harassment of wildlife punishable by law.

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The toads received national attention after a story was published in the New York Times Magazine in 1994 about a California teacher who became the first person to be arrested for possessing the venom of the toads.[12][13] The substance concerned, bufotenin, had been outlawed in California in 1970.[14]


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In November 2007, a man in Kansas City, Missouri was discovered with an I. alvarius toad in his possession, and charged with possession of a controlled substance after they determined he intended to use its secretions for recreational purposes.[15][16] In Arizona, one may legally bag up to 10 toads with a fishing license, but it could constitute a criminal violation if it can be shown that one is in possession of this toad with the intent to smoke its venom.[17]
None of the states in which I. alvarius is (or was) indigenous – California, Arizona, and New Mexico – legally allows a person to remove the toad from the state. For example, the Arizona Game and Fish Department is clear about the law in Arizona: "An individual shall not... export any live wildlife from the state; 3. Transport, possess, offer for sale, sell, sell as live bait, trade, give away, purchase, rent, lease, display, exhibit, propagate... within the state..."[17]
In California, I. alvarius has been designated as "endangered" and possession of this toad is illegal. "It is unlawful to capture, collect, intentionally kill or injure, possess, purchase, propagate, sell, transport, import or export any native reptile or amphibian, or part thereof..."[18]
In New Mexico, this toad is listed as "threatened" and, again, taking I. alvarius is unlawful.[19][20]


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316500 - 07/09/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Finally started to rain. I can't wait to get out there this week!

Dude, I'm not destroying their habitat. I have no issues with hunting & eating the local wild life, I sure as hell have no issue with taking some venom and releasing.

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If you take their venom from them, you might be condemning them to a defenseless death.



And this doesn't make sense. Any local animal that might try to eat the toad will most likely kill it before the poison takes any effect. Having half their sacs drained isn't condemning it to anything.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LtLurker]
    #25316506 - 07/09/18 10:11 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Breaking wildlife laws is a shitty thing to do as a human. Consider yourself a sociopath. I do.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316511 - 07/09/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

LOL wildlife law? Sounds like a drug law since it all surrounds intent to milk, and I doubt either one of us follow those.

Please, go think you're superior somewhere else.

Ok, now that I've searched. It's legal to own one of these toads as a pet everywhere except NM. Animal protection law my ass.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LtLurker]
    #25316524 - 07/09/18 10:21 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

You clearly didn't read the post stating the laws involving this toad on top of this page.:rolleyes: You post your illegal desires on a public website. I am a veteran of this community and you are a little kid. I will always be superior to you and so will my kids. You will always be a loser with no connection to the animals you abuse and think you're doing a sacred act. Did you not watch the video and see the part where an American dressed Mexican shaman admits to doing 400 ceremonies so far that year and they end the scene with a dead toad. Next scene shows Hamilton driving through the desert hunting toads. they stop and pick up 4 on the side of the road but then see a fresh dead one behind their vehicle. You can see their fresh tire track going right over the toad and they never even acknowledge that they killed the toad. This is the kind of ignorance and naivety that you humans are spewing into this reality... and fuck that!


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316531 - 07/09/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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You clearly didn't read the post stating the laws involving this toad on top of this page.:rolleyes: You post your illegal desires on a public website. I am a veteran of this community and you are a little kid. I will always be superior to you and so will my kids. You will always be a loser with no connection to the animals you abuse and think you're doing a sacred act. Did you not watch the video and see the part where an American dressed Mexican shaman admits to doing 400 ceremonies so far that year and they end the scene with a dead toad. Next scene shows Hamilton driving through the desert hunting toads. they stop and pick up 4 on the side of the road but then see a fresh dead one behind their vehicle. You can see their fresh tire track going right over the toad and they never even acknowledge that they killed the toad. This is the kind of ignorance and naivety that you humans are spewing into this reality... and fuck that! The last thing we need is a shit ton of kombucha bottles littering the deserts.




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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #25316539 - 07/09/18 10:29 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen that before, ashame they ran over the toad. But there is such thing as ethical hunting and ethical harvesting. I didn't run over a toad.

You vet, me kid? Go fuck yourself. You dunno shit about me.

Go virtue signal somewhere else.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LtLurker]
    #25316541 - 07/09/18 10:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yes Nazi sir! Telling someone to fuck themselves on this forum will get you warnings then a ban. Watch your temper. You seem unstable.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316545 - 07/09/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:popcorn: yum! So buttery!


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316554 - 07/09/18 10:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

uh hu. You can insult me up and down, but telling you to fuck yourself in response is crossing the line? I don't think so.

I do know flaming, harassing, and trolling are pretty looked down on. All you've done is berate and insult.


The whole reason I put this up is to make sure I'm doing this right. I don't want to accidentally hurt them. I don't share your view that catch and release is wrong.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LtLurker]
    #25316663 - 07/09/18 11:53 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

All I've done is inform you of the law and tell you to leave this endangered species alone. Any true herpetologist or ecologist would agree. You're a sociopathic monster.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25316862 - 07/09/18 02:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I think thats extreme to call someone a "psychpath" cause they want to catch and Release toads after milking them. Come on.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25317121 - 07/09/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe so...It's easy to be harsh to someone online. I caught some asshole with a baby blue shark once and got pretty pissed. He drove off fast as he could. Desert wildlife is extremely fragile and the last thing we need is a wave of hipster kids going to all the creeks and springs in the deserts at night time. You're not even allowed to be at these spots at night because it scares the wildlife away and they get dehydrated. It's a real issue and you will get fined for it. It's considered harassment of wildlife. I'll bet you didn't know that if you frighten a desert tortoise and it pisses itself, chances are that it will die of dehydration. Also, a lot of old springs in the Colorado and sonoran desert are now completely dry due to agriculture and the mismanagement of the deserts/forest. This only strains the animal population more to have to travel further than they should have to, just to find some douche bagging toads in your waterhole. The next day is 115 degrees and your babies die of dehydration. Fuck people and their self entitlements.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25317173 - 07/09/18 05:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yea yea, you're better than everyone else. Way to go. You must be the most moral person in the world. Now go be superior somewhere else, that aint what this thread is about.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LtLurker]
    #25317444 - 07/09/18 07:56 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Damn did I fuck you too hard in the ass?

I have some really nice cannabis salve and lotion if your butthole is hurting that badly...


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #25317525 - 07/09/18 08:46 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:nonono:


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25317681 - 07/09/18 10:57 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:glittershitz::rofl::glittershitz:


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #25321372 - 07/11/18 08:51 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

That's enough crapping up this thread with self-righteous BS.. it's fine to have your opinion on caring for the toads.. but he expressed a desire to do so ethically and was asking questions and to call someone a sociopathic nazi and all that other crap is crossing the line.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Season [Re: Shroomism]
    #25326389 - 07/14/18 05:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hamilton doing it seemed hella  fake,luv,luv


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